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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2014 17:54:51 GMT -5
Have read a number of posts to this forum regarding use of and teachings regarding the use of the word "Chrisian." In my lifetime I came to understand biblical use of the word originated by people not so identified. Derogatory or otherwise, I understood it referred to those identified with "Yahu'shuah ha Mesiach." So, it seemed always wisest to express I was only "Christian" in as far as others could see Him in me, that is obvious signs of His life and teachings, even His presence with in me.
Even today, I prefer when asked if I am a Christian, to respond, "I am sorry you have even had to ask." Do I profess belief in Him at every opportunity? Yes. Do I mirror His image at every opportunity? While I would prefer to answer "yes" to that question, honesty dictates I respond "No, not as often as I would wish." So, am I a "Christian" or not? By belief, yes; however by the reality of where the rubber meets the road, I must leave that decision to others who know me. I want to be one on every occasion!
In one place my Bible teaches my life is "hid in Christ." As hunter, I have known what it means "to be hidden" in the forest. All that can be seen are trees, rather than one's human shape or form. Perhaps one day yet, even if only in death, others might say of me "he was hid in Christ by belief in his God." Perhaps by then I will be known by others as a "Christian" and if so, then I will consider my life to have been successful.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2014 18:08:11 GMT -5
i consider myself a "christian" i see nothing wrong with that...
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Post by BobWilliston on Jun 30, 2014 23:33:40 GMT -5
i consider myself a "christian" i see nothing wrong with that... Has someone told you that you aren't a Christian?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2014 23:39:36 GMT -5
i consider myself a "christian" i see nothing wrong with that... nor do i, a christian is just a person who is a follower of Jesus Christ
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2014 13:04:13 GMT -5
Obviously Nathan, you do not believe there is a difference between groups and individuals. I DO believe there is, and do believe the 2&2 work is a pure cult, by anyone's definition of the concept/word. Does that mean I believe none are "Christian" by the explanation I've given above? Absolutely not! I know of a number who I believe have been devout and willing Christians, even if some have been deceived about many things even as I was once deceived. No longer, and I believe those lovely friends in Vietnam find themselves thinking much the same way, if not exactly the same, as I do now.
Do you believe none are Christian if they do not believe exactly as you do? By your posts it would seem that is exactly what you do believe by identifying people with groups, rather than with their Lord and God. Likely in time that too will change...
The points I attempted to express in the OP are obviously way over the head of responders to that post. S' okay by me, because I do not answer for you nor any of them, just as you and they do not answer for me. Now, I must beat feet.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 1, 2014 14:22:55 GMT -5
Being a cult does not make a group non-Christian. Belonging to a cult does not make one a non-Christian. Cults are only non-Christian if they are non-Christian cults. The only claim Irvine Grey has on being a Christian is the he belongs to a different Christian cult than you do.
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Post by snow on Jul 1, 2014 14:39:14 GMT -5
Ironically, Mr. Grey is just as exclusive minded as the church he is accusing. You obviously have to believe and worship under his protocol or you are not Christian and can be labelled a diabolical cult.
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Post by snow on Jul 1, 2014 16:32:52 GMT -5
Being a cult does not make a group non-Christian. Belonging to a cult does not make one a non-Christian. Cults are only non-Christian if they are non-Christian cults. The only claim Irvine Grey has on being a Christian is the he belongs to a different Christian cult than you do. Do you believe Jesus group/church in the 1st century was a Cult according to today's definition?That would depend on what definition of a cult you use. If you use the one that says that any religion that is under 100 years old, then yes it would be a cult. Probably was thought to be 'different' by the Jewish people of the time if you think about it.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 1, 2014 18:05:06 GMT -5
Being a cult does not make a group non-Christian. Belonging to a cult does not make one a non-Christian. Cults are only non-Christian if they are non-Christian cults. The only claim Irvine Grey has on being a Christian is the he belongs to a different Christian cult than you do. Do you believe Jesus group/church in the 1st century was a Cult according to today's definition?Yes, I do. They're all cults, Nathan. Except for Valiant Thor.
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Post by Dubious Disciple (xdc) on Jul 2, 2014 18:44:27 GMT -5
I'd like to think I'm a Christian. On the other hand, I know many devout believers that subscribe to some very unChristlike doctrines, IMO.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 2, 2014 19:20:31 GMT -5
I'd like to think I'm a Christian. On the other hand, I know many devout believers that subscribe to some very unChristlike doctrines, IMO. Well, you know what they say: "You can pick your friends but you can't pick your brothers."
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Post by Annan on Jul 2, 2014 19:32:11 GMT -5
I'd like to think I'm a Christian. On the other hand, I know many devout believers that subscribe to some very unChristlike doctrines, IMO. And therein lies the problem. Who defines what a Christian actually is and how a Christian acts and thinks? One huge can of worms. I have said this many times... If all those who profess to be Christian truly were Christian-like, there would be no hungry or homeless. Christianity is about the individual, not the whole. It's about me and not you. I simply have to post this.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jul 2, 2014 23:40:02 GMT -5
Do you believe Jesus group/church in the 1st century was a Cult according to today's definition? Yes, I do. They're all cults, Nathan. Except for Valiant Thor. BTW, is Valiant Thor still posting? I was gone a few days & I don't see where he is still posting.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 3, 2014 1:07:04 GMT -5
Yes, I do. They're all cults, Nathan. Except for Valiant Thor. BTW, is Valiant Thor still posting? I was gone a few days & I don't see where he is still posting.
I haven't seen any for a few days. One of his cult followers has made an appearance, though.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jul 3, 2014 2:17:17 GMT -5
BTW, is Valiant Thor still posting? I was gone a few days & I don't see where he is still posting.
I haven't seen any for a few days. One of his cult followers has made an appearance, though. Now who would that be, I wonder?
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Post by Gene on Jul 3, 2014 19:38:32 GMT -5
Yes, I do. They're all cults, Nathan. Except for Valiant Thor. BTW, is Valiant Thor still posting? I was gone a few days & I don't see where he is still posting.
Think about it. With all this Syria and Iraq and Israel and Palestine stuff going on, not to mention projected rain storms DURING Independence Day fireworks celebrations on the USA east coast and lawsuit-worthy executive actions by President Obama, it's not surprising VT has limited time for hanging out on TMB!
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 3, 2014 20:08:25 GMT -5
BTW, is Valiant Thor still posting? I was gone a few days & I don't see where he is still posting.
Think about it. With all this Syria and Iraq and Israel and Palestine stuff going on, not to mention projected rain storms DURING Independence Day fireworks celebrations on the USA east coast and lawsuit-worthy executive actions by President Obama, it's not surprising VT has limited time for hanging out on TMB! He's not coming back. He's been appointed secretary of state for ISIS !
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Post by xna on Jul 4, 2014 8:29:16 GMT -5
BTW, is Valiant Thor still posting? I was gone a few days & I don't see where he is still posting.
Think about it. With all this Syria and Iraq and Israel and Palestine stuff going on, not to mention projected rain storms DURING Independence Day fireworks celebrations on the USA east coast and lawsuit-worthy executive actions by President Obama, it's not surprising VT has limited time for hanging out on TMB! Attachments:
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Post by faune on Jul 4, 2014 9:59:30 GMT -5
Think about it. With all this Syria and Iraq and Israel and Palestine stuff going on, not to mention projected rain storms DURING Independence Day fireworks celebrations on the USA east coast and lawsuit-worthy executive actions by President Obama, it's not surprising VT has limited time for hanging out on TMB! The TMB Valiant T. is from the UK, ex-policeman.... He is busy writing up Dorthy's William Irvine Part II. Give him time he will be back.Are we talking about our dear brother, Ram, spinning another one of his yarns for our entertainment?
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 4, 2014 15:48:07 GMT -5
Think about it. With all this Syria and Iraq and Israel and Palestine stuff going on, not to mention projected rain storms DURING Independence Day fireworks celebrations on the USA east coast and lawsuit-worthy executive actions by President Obama, it's not surprising VT has limited time for hanging out on TMB! The TMB Valiant T. is from the UK, ex-policeman.... He is busy writing up Dorthy's William Irvine Part II. Give him time he will be back.That would make a good addition to the Book of Mormon.
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Post by Commander Valiant Thor on Jul 4, 2014 16:57:47 GMT -5
Yes, I do. They're all cults, Nathan. Except for Valiant Thor. Valiant Thor is in a Cult also because Jesus Christ is his Idol/Master and Creator God... as today terminology Cultist group.... 99% percent of Christianity is a Cult.From Dr. and Pastor Frank Stranges book: Stranger at the Pentagon We (Pastor Frank and Valiant Thor) discussed the merits of Jesus Christ ... how He gave His Life freely... so that men could enjoy the benefits of eternal life. I questioned him about a Bible on Venus and he assured me that a personal unbroken fellowship with the "Author" did not necessitate the printing of a "book". He found it amusing that many theologians attempt to discredit both Jesus Christ and The Bible. The very God many have said is "dead" continues to lavish them with all good things. Perhaps they will, in time, permit the spark of Divine Light to again illuminate their troubled hearts. In answer to my question of what he thought of Jesus Christ, he said, "I know that Jesus is the Alpha and Omega of yours and everyone else faith. He today has assumed His rightful position as the ruler of the universe and is preparing a place and a time for all who are called by His Name to ascend far above the clouds to where His Power and Authority shall never again be disputed.
~~ Commander Thor's Purpose In COMING to Earth: He stated that he came in order to help mankind return to the Lord. He spoke in positive terms . . . always with a smile on his face. He said God was displeased with the fact that mankind is farther away from Him than ever before, but that there is still a good chance for mankind to find salvation if he looks for it in the right place. Commander Thor said, "There are Presently 77 of us WALKING AMONG you In the United States. We are constantly Coming AND Going " www.galactic-server.net/rune/valthor2.htmlI asked him if there is life on other planets. His reply was, "There is life on MANY other planets of which people on Earth know nothing. There are more solar systems for which man has not even given God credit. There are MANY beings that have never transgressed the perfect laws of God. Man does not possess the right to condemn the whole of God's creation because he himself has broken the perfect laws of God through disobedience." www.bibliotecapleyades.net/bb/stranges.htmNathan, Nathan, Nathan. You continue to disappoint me. As I have warned you many times in the past, Frank Stranges is not a source that you should be taking seriously. Sure, he is good for a laugh. But he was in it for the money and just made up much of when you are quoting to increase sales. You know I did not come here to help people return to your God or any other God. That is something that each person has to do for themselves. I had to return home for a few earth weeks to attend to some urgent matters. I had hoped that you would have learned something about frauds you quote but alas, I fear it is hopeless. I will be watching your posts and hoping for improvement.
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Post by Lee on Jul 9, 2014 19:57:39 GMT -5
Being a cult does not make a group non-Christian. Belonging to a cult does not make one a non-Christian. Cults are only non-Christian if they are non-Christian cults. The only claim Irvine Grey has on being a Christian is the he belongs to a different Christian cult than you do. Baloney! Whether people claim the creed for themselves hypocritically or not, the doctrine of imputed righteousness is the only creed capable of liberating humanity from all the smelly little orthodoxies emanating from all the smelly little ideological economies we have here on this God-forsaken planet! Shame on your ignorance and indifference!
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 9, 2014 21:06:42 GMT -5
Being a cult does not make a group non-Christian. Belonging to a cult does not make one a non-Christian. Cults are only non-Christian if they are non-Christian cults. The only claim Irvine Grey has on being a Christian is the he belongs to a different Christian cult than you do. Baloney! Whether people claim the creed for themselves hypocritically or not, the doctrine of imputed righteousness is the only creed capable of liberating humanity from all the smelly little orthodoxies emanating from all the smelly little ideological economies we have here on this God-forsaken planet! Shame on your ignorance and indifference! Can I have until 10 PM to crawl into my little hell hole?
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Post by Commander Valiant Thor on Jul 10, 2014 0:26:31 GMT -5
Welcome back, RAM! You disappeared for awhile.. I knew you were still hang around TMB... Now, you came back with a different name Comdr. Valiant Thor. RAM= VT Now... There are too many witnesses than Pastor Frank Stranges....... Phil S. and his father Oscars, many of US scientists during WWII, President George Bush's senior father, met the REAL Valiant Thor in person... Many high ranking officials in the Pentagon, President Eisenhower, Vice-president Nixon, Reporters/photographers newspaper, police officers, Frank's parents, and Frank's Melchisedek organization also met Valiant Thor in person. We have the picture of Valiant Thor and his fellow angels friends for the world to SEE. ~~ The actual group picture taken of Valiant Thor, Jill, Don Thor, and Tanyia at Howard Menger's home in 1958 projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?35186-Valiant-Thor-Jill-Donn ~~ The Story behind that Valiant Thor & Crew Photo: By Robert Potter (The one taken at Howard and Connie Menger’s home in High Bridge, NJ.) Rob Potter met Jill and other from Venus. thepromiserevealed.com/howard-menger/~~ A clear picture of Jill (Blond hair), Vice-Commanders Donn (Val's brother), Tanyia (Black hair) , and Commander Valiant Thor at (1:29). The total number of crew on Victor One Mother ship, is 200. With Valiant Thor as Commander, there are four crew members who serve in the capacity of Vice Commanders. www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2J6ATy5FREPeople at the Pentagon tried to keep a tight lid on Valiant's presence and mission to earth. They locked up Valiant Thor in a Pentagon guest room but he Teleportation/leave his room at will to visit/letting the UFO believers at different places Know he had a message to share with the world. Valiant Teleported himself from his Pentagon apartment with, Don (his brother) Jill and Tanyia to New Jersey, at Howard Menger home at a UFO conference in April, 1957 where their pictures were taken by August C. Roberts, an Air Force photographer. ~~ Valiant Thor promised he would see Dr. Stranges again.... Exactly a year later after Valiant left the Pentagon in 3/1960..... Valiant appeared out of thin air and sat in the back seat of Dr. Frank while he was driving the car scare the living daylight out of him!.... "Hello, Frank!" (time 32:10). Commander Thor, met Frank's parents in person at their own home (time 59:33) www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ny-JxJtVzhs~~ Here is a picture Victor ONE Starship of Commander Thor, at the bottom on Frank's article on space and Science. www.galactic-server.net/rune/valthor2.html~~ Could this be Commander Thor Victor ONE Starship looks like? taken in Peru! April 8, 2012 www.youtube.com/watch?v=068XqTPjorg&feature=relmfuMother ship all light up! at night June 19, 2012 www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVUIHCxeuWYThere are presently about 450 persons under surveillance by 287 VICTOR ONE spaceships station around the world. Only 20% are of a positive nature. The rest present some kind of threat to the planet. The first Victor Class ship visited Earth nearly 6,000 years ago. www.galactic-server.net/rune/valienthor.html Nathan, You have again disappointed me. I felt you were on a level above many people who scoff when told of the visiters from other worlds. You have again missed how Stranges fraudulently promoted his writings for his own profit. Th claim there have been many witnesses but all of the stories have a single source - Frank Stranges. That reduces to a single source without anything to back up the claims.
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Post by Commander Valiant Thor on Jul 10, 2014 7:57:11 GMT -5
Nathan, You have again disappointed me. I felt you were on a level above many people who scoff when told of the visiters from other worlds. You have again missed how Stranges fraudulently promoted his writings for his own profit. Th claim there have been many witnesses but all of the stories have a single source - Frank Stranges. That reduces to a single source without anything to back up the claims. ~~ Like I told you many times, RAM/VT..... Stranges is NOT the only source.... Here is another report from an eyewitness. Valiant Thor, Visitor from Planet Venus, Lands Near Pentagon 1957. A report of Harley Byrd, Project Blue Book, United States Air Force. He was a nephew to the late Rear admiral (2 stars general) Richard E. Byrd in charged of the Exploration of the Hallow earth for US Navy Antarctic region (1946-47). Harley Byrd, worked at the Pentagon during the time of Valiant Thor visited with the President Eisenhower and Nixon on and off for 3 years from 1957-1960. www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jfvq-3ay4ngNathan, Harley Byrd has told so many stories that I honestly believe he is not lying because he no longer knows what is fact and what is fiction. He claimed in one place to be the nephew of Admiral Byrd but during an interview on the Art Bell show said he was the grandson and was was given 'documents' that his grandmother took out of the suit pocket of his grandfather in the casket and handed to him. You need to start thinking for yourself Nathan and not accept the self-serving stories that these people are creating for their own benefit. I have to go to participate in the honor awards ceremony but I will keep an eye on your activities. Don't make a fool of yourself by accepting these stories and redistributing them as if they had some authenticity. They do not.
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Post by Commander Valiant Thor on Jul 11, 2014 10:22:52 GMT -5
Nathan, Harley Byrd has told so many stories that I honestly believe he is not lying because he no longer knows what is fact and what is fiction. He claimed in one place to be the nephew of Admiral Byrd but during an interview on the Art Bell show said he was the grandson and was was given 'documents' that his grandmother took out of the suit pocket of his grandfather in the casket and handed to him. You need to start thinking for yourself Nathan and not accept the self-serving stories that these people are creating for their own benefit. I have to go to participate in the honor awards ceremony but I will keep an eye on your activities. Don't make a fool of yourself by accepting these stories and redistributing them as if they had some authenticity. They do not. Can you show us where we can listen to Harley Byrd interview with Art Bell Radio show, that he was saying he was the grandson instead of the nephew of Admiral Byrd? and was given the document that his grandmother took out of the suit pocket of his grandfather in the casket and handed to him.
Which and What document are you talking about here, RAM/VT? I hope you don't try to pull another Dorthy's Irvine story fairy tale STORY over our eyes AGAIN!Nathan, I am unsure how you keep things around here. If my memory serves me correctly(and it most always does0, the transcript I read was from October 19-20, 1995. I recall that the title was 'Coast to Coast' with a gentleman named Art Bell. I am certain someone with your computer skills can locate the broadcast. From memory, here is part of the transcript: Dr. Harley Byrd, or just plain "Harley" as he preferred to be called claimed, sighting network coverage of his grandfather's funeral that showed him as the flag bearer, that when he presented his grandmother with the flag, as is customary, she, at grave side at the Arlington National Cemetery and with camera's rolling, walked over to the coffin, it being still partly open, rummaged around in the inside breast pocket of the jacket the Admiral was wearing and pulled a manilla envelope out of this pocket and walked back over to Harley who was being interviewed on Art Bell, and handed it to him. Upon receiving said envelope, Harley, a bit embarrassed, not knowing what was in it slipped it into his pocket to be looked at later.Now, Nathan, both you and I know that an open casket at the graveside, especially one that had been draped with the flag, would have been highly unusual. A dead person wearing clothes that had papers in the pockets would also be unusual unless they were to have been buried with the person. And a wife waiting until the grave side service to do all of this - This is a good example of the distortion and fabrication that people will do to increase their own profits. I know you honestly believe what you are posting. Maybe if you did a little checking you would see the light. Your Harley claimed that Admiral Byrd was his uncle. If that is the case who was Harley's father? Nathan, you make it very difficult for me to support you when you continue to spread these lies.
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Post by Commander Valiant Thor on Jul 17, 2014 16:12:18 GMT -5
Nathan, my heart weeps for you. If you could just step back for a moment you would see that these people are making fools out of their believers. And they are getting rich.
The temperature of Venus is well known. It is not a problem with the calculations. It is a problem with your reasoning.
It seems that there is nothing I can do to help you to climb out of the pit of craziness that you have believed to be true.
However, earth time has little meaning to me so I will spend some years in trying to get you to just stop and look. I know you are scared that if you see all of the errors and think about them that your world will fall apart. People will be there to catch you.
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