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Post by uker260702 on Jul 17, 2014 14:37:37 GMT -5
Just to be clear Nathan, it's not me asking in the above, it's uker Sorry Snow, I hadn`t realised I`d messed the quoting up. Hopefully fixed now
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Post by snow on Jul 17, 2014 14:51:20 GMT -5
Just to be clear Nathan, it's not me asking in the above, it's uker Sorry Snow, I hadn`t realised I`d messed the quoting up. Hopefully fixed now It's not a problem, just wanted to keep things straight. thanks uker
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Post by snow on Jul 17, 2014 15:03:08 GMT -5
NathanB, you are welcome. I hope it helps some overcome the traditions of irrational fear & superstition. I found the material more impactful because it came from an ex-christian, now atheist, black women; statistically a most unlikely demographic to be an atheist in the USA. I suspect many now think we are living in the "last days", as they see the falling away in the global Christian congregation. The response to this enlightenment seems to be two fold; a rise of the prosperity gospel, mega churches, where the message is watering down, and a rise in the "in your face - tell it like it is approach". I like the second approach because they take a firm stand, and you know exactly where they are coming from. Here is a trending article on this second approach. I bet you will like this one better. Two Keys to Separate the True from the Counterfeit in the Last Days sidroth.org/articles/two-keys-separate-true-counterfeit-last-days?src=fb_truevscounterfeitarticle Well you do have a point about 'in your face - tell it like it is' approach. You do know where you stand with them. You know your damned in their eyes. I do know where I stand with my family. No question about that. Which is a good thing I guess, because then I can choose how I will respond. I have chosen to ignore their comments mostly or just respond, 'I'm aware that is your belief'. I usually walk away from the conversations now. At one point they were more interested in what I believed, but now that they know, they are more interested in getting me to believe what they believe, so I just don't go there. You have to give them credit for tenacity. Some of their friends who I have never even met have come up and introduced themselves and let me know I needed to get right with Jesus and how I would make my mother so happy if I did. What do you say to a complete stranger? All I could think of to say at that point was 'that's just not going to happen, sorry'. Didn't slow them down much, but at least I was upfront from the beginning. And, so were they...
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Post by xna on Jul 17, 2014 15:43:12 GMT -5
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I was raised as a christian, and taught to take the heaven and hell question very seriously. I left the faith of my fathers at great price when I “joined” the 2x2, then again at great price when I left the 2x2, then yet again at great price admitting to myself I am not convinced there are gods.
Having gone through this “hellish experience” alone, I feel I'm better able to understand all three ways of thinking, and would not wish that journey on anyone.
I am concerned with what is true, and desire to live my life with integrity. I highly value intellectual honesty, and my intent is to value that trait in others, even if they come to a different conclusion.
In my family there are three kinds; me the atheist, my 2x2 relatives, & my non 2x2 christians relatives. Both think I’m going to hell, and each think the other is going to hell.
Such is the harm of traditions based on irrational superstition.
JMT
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Post by snow on Jul 17, 2014 16:11:49 GMT -5
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I was raised as a christian, and taught to take the heaven and hell question very seriously. I left the faith of my fathers at great price when I “joined” the 2x2, then again at great price when I left the 2x2, then yet again at great price admitting to myself I am not convinced there are gods. Having gone through this “hellish experience” alone, I feel I'm better able to understand all three ways of thinking, and would not wish that journey on anyone. I am concerned with what is true, and desire to live my life with integrity. I highly value intellectual honesty, and my intent is to value that trait in others, even if they come to a different conclusion. In my family there are three kinds; me the atheist, my 2x2 relatives, & my non 2x2 christians relatives. Both think I’m going to hell, and each think the other is going to hell. Such is the harm of traditions based on irrational superstition. JMT I can kind of relate to what you're saying. I was raised in a 2x2 household. At 12 I started questioning why only 2x2's were saved. I didn't get very satisfactory answers so I quit professing. I had professed when I was 8 and was very zealous about it. I had totally bought into the Christian God and also the 2x2 way was the only way to please that God. So when I quit professing I was pretty scared because I was sure I was going to hell. But I could not worship a God like that. I was young so I understand how I couldn't reason everything out at that stage of my life. It took a lot of years for me to come to the realization there was no hell, likely no Christian god and let go of that fear. So I do know the journey. I have some catholic relatives that believe I am going to hell. I have some fundamentalist family that tell me this regularly (not the Catholics). Think they are Baptist. Then I had the 2x2 relatives saying the same thing. I no longer have any family in the 2x2 faith. My mother was the last one. I agree that there is harm done by these beliefs but totally understand why people believe and how hard it is to let those beliefs go. It totally is a journey.
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Post by xna on Jul 17, 2014 16:22:59 GMT -5
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I was raised as a christian, and taught to take the heaven and hell question very seriously. I left the faith of my fathers at great price when I “joined” the 2x2, then again at great price when I left the 2x2, then yet again at great price admitting to myself I am not convinced there are gods. Having gone through this “hellish experience” alone, I feel I'm better able to understand all three ways of thinking, and would not wish that journey on anyone. I am concerned with what is true, and desire to live my life with integrity. I highly value intellectual honesty, and my intent is to value that trait in others, even if they come to a different conclusion. In my family there are three kinds; me the atheist, my 2x2 relatives, & my non 2x2 christians relatives. Both think I’m going to hell, and each think the other is going to hell. Such is the harm of traditions based on irrational superstition. JMT I can kind of relate to what you're saying. I was raised in a 2x2 household. At 12 I started questioning why only 2x2's were saved. I didn't get very satisfactory answers so I quit professing. I had professed when I was 8 and was very zealous about it. I had totally bought into the Christian God and also the 2x2 way was the only way to please that God. So when I quit professing I was pretty scared because I was sure I was going to hell. But I could not worship a God like that. I was young so I understand how I couldn't reason everything out at that stage of my life. It took a lot of years for me to come to the realization there was no hell, likely no Christian god and let go of that fear. So I do know the journey. I have some catholic relatives that believe I am going to hell. I have some fundamentalist family that tell me this regularly (not the Catholics). Think they are Baptist. Then I had the 2x2 relatives saying the same thing. I no longer have any family in the 2x2 faith. My mother was the last one. I agree that there is harm done by these beliefs but totally understand why people believe and how hard it is to let those beliefs go. It totally is a journey. Yes, a similar journey, but I was a slow learner.
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Post by snow on Jul 17, 2014 16:56:47 GMT -5
4 u (to take from Virgo's lingo). That is your truth. Some one else will have a different truth. I believe 'truth' is subjective when dealing with something no one can prove. So Islam has the truth that works for them. Christianity has the truth that works for them. Well you get what I'm saying. I think the problem begins when these religions do not recognize that what they believe is only true for them. That what they believe is not relevant to another religions belief. I'm not saying one could be the real 'truth', but I'm also saying none of them is the real 'truth'. But the world keeps quibbling and fighting about these subjective truths. That is what bothers me I guess. My truth is not someone else's as we see here all the time... but I'm not going to fight you or kill you because you don't believe as I do. Religion at it's worst will do that. When a religion has so much invested in being 'right' then they have to fight to defend that stance. It's the way things work. I don't know what is true. There could be a God or not. That God could be Allah or Yahweh. I don't know. All our beliefs are just fine with me. I just don't want to have to die because of mine. In some countries that could happen. This is where, imo, religion fails to be all it says it is. Jesus said, "Iam the Way, the Truth, Life and NO MAN! comes to the Father but through me." This is one of the reasons Jesus is coming BACK to be King of kings and LORD of lords on the earth and to put ALL of his enemies (Satan, the fallen angels, religious founders, false religions, etc) UNDER His rule/control on the earth. Jesus is the ONLY Bridge to His Father in heaven. Salvation comes only through believing/accepting in Jesus Christ as the Savior! Jesus died on Calvary's Cross, so we can Reign with Him and share his glory! which He will receive from the Father.
I Cor. 15:23-28 But each in his own order: Christ the first fruits, then at his coming those who belong to Christ. Then comes the end, when he delivers the kingdom to God the Father after destroying every rule and every authority and power. For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. The last enemy to be destroyed is death. “For God has put all things in subjection under his feet.” But when it says, “All things are put in subjection under him,” it is plain that he is excepted who put all things under him. When all things are subjected to him, then the Son himself will also be subjected to him who put all things under him, that God may be everything to every one.
Yes, I know he 'said' that. But what if he's wrong? What if Allah is right? These are all questions I asked myself when I was on my journey. Actually I still ask myself what if's as far as God's go. That's why I am agnostic. I still have questions about so many things. No answers that satisfy when it comes to religious thought though. I sometimes think it would be better if I just believed everything I was taught instead of reading, researching and trying to understand where those thoughts were formed or came from. Innocence lost when you dig deep enough. I can never put the genie back in the bottle and believe their is a God that is that judgmental or petty. That's how I've come to see most Gods. Judgmental and petty with an awful lot of human characteristics. Ones that humans would be better not having at that.
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Post by uker260702 on Jul 17, 2014 17:18:48 GMT -5
Nate, the Giants that you mention above, are these the Nephilim that you`ve written about in other posts? Yes, they are.... the fallen angels own hybrid race= demigods/the giants... Angels DNA/genes with humans DNA/genes to be RULERS of the earth planet and other planets throughout the Universe..... the Reptilians/Dracos= humans/Dinosaur/fallen angels genes all mixed into one.Thanks, a few questions come to mind. Who created the Nephilim millions of years before Adam and Eve? If it was God, would he not leave a record in the bible of it? If you understand Adam and Eve to be from 6000 years ago, that sounds like you would maybe believe in a literal view of the creation where Adam and Eve were made on Day 6. If thats the case that would mean the earth was only created 5 days earlier. How would the Nephilim from millions of years earlier fit into this?
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Post by snow on Jul 17, 2014 17:36:33 GMT -5
Yes, I know he 'said' that. But what if he's wrong? What if Allah is right? These are all questions I asked myself when I was on my journey. Actually I still ask myself what if's as far as God's go. That's why I am agnostic. I still have questions about so many things. No answers that satisfy when it comes to religious thought though. I sometimes think it would be better if I just believed everything I was taught instead of reading, researching and trying to understand where those thoughts were formed or came from. Innocence lost when you dig deep enough. I can never put the genie back in the bottle and believe their is a God that is that judgmental or petty. That's how I've come to see most Gods. Judgmental and petty with an awful lot of human characteristics. Ones that humans would be better not having at that. Yahweh and Allah is the SAME God. Yahweh God is what He is known to the children of Israel. Allah is God to the Muslim. The children of Israel and Ismael/Arabs descendants have the same father Abram but different mothers. Sarah is the mother to the children of Israel. Haggai/Eyptian slave who bored Abraham Ismael and his descendants are the Arabs.... However, God made a promised that His Son= The Redeemer/Savior would be born through the lineage of Israel/Jacob and NOT through Ismael descendants.
Israel and Ismael are serving the same God/Yahweh= Allah of Abraham. The descants of Ismael felt they got the raw deal because the inheritance should have gone to the first born Son! descendants= Arabs NOT to Jacob descendants but God had decided the promised SEED/Savior and BLESSINGS would come through Jacob's descendants/Israel. Therefore, they have been constant WARS at each other throats for the BLESSINGS! Jesus Vs. Mohamet (sp?)Ok, now you've really got me curious. If it's the same God then would God allow Muslims into heaven? Or do they have to acknowledge Jesus as more than a prophet, which they do. They have great respect for Jesus, but do not think he is divine. In their faith, only God holds that honor. Obviously they don't believe in the trinity.
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Post by Commander Valiant Thor on Jul 17, 2014 17:51:48 GMT -5
Thanks, a few questions come to mind. 1) Who created the Nephilim millions of years before Adam and Eve? There were other humans before God created Adam and Eve.... Have you read or heard about Adam first wife, Lilth? 2) If it was God, would he not leave a record in the bible of it? ~~ The Bible doesn't tell us EVERYTHING! Only enough information for us to have Faith and Trust in God. 3) If you understand Adam and Eve to be from 6000 years ago, that sounds like you would maybe believe in a literal view of the creation where Adam and Eve were made on Day 6. If thats the case that would mean the earth was only created 5 days earlier. How would the Nephilim from millions of years earlier fit into this? ~~ I don't understand about the Six Days creation part.... ALL I know the earth and the Universe have been here millions of years or older than that. I know other human beings existed millions years before Adam and Eve created by God 6000 yrs ago.
~~~ Human beings looking beings existed millions of years on the moon before Adam and Eve created.
~~ Amazing information the join venture of space exploration between the Russians and American astronauts Apollo 20 suggested by President John F. Kennedy in 1960s. Pictures of face on the Moon, ruin cities and alien bases on the moon, pictures of Dead EBE woman Commander and her mother/ship (10 times the length of Queen Mary ship/tall as the Eiffel tower in Paris). William Rutledge is a seventy-eight year old man currently living in Rwanda. He claims to be an astronaut that traveled to the moon on a mission called Apollo 20.
1) Here is the youtube picture of the mother ship found on the dark side of the moon. www.ufosightingsdaily.com/2011/06/nasa-photo-is-proof-of-apollo-20.html
2) Another clearer picture of the mother ship at 5:30 of the size and the scale (10 times the length of Queen Mary ship/tall as the Eiffel tower in Paris). www.youtube.com/watch?v=qU4k3nOeRAU
A magazine interview conducted by Luca Scantamburlo was done through a YouTube email account in May 25, 2007. He says his name is William Rutledge, born in 1930 in Belgium. He is an American citizen, but is not accustomed to speaking in English anymore since 1990 when he moved from Europe to Rwanda. He has learned Kinyarwanda and uses French and sometimes German because Rwanda is a former Belgium-German Colony. He said that he moved to Rwanda because of a woman he met. He says, “NASA didn’t employ me, USAF did.” He worked an area that studies foreign technology, studying Russian items only, like the N1 project, AJAX plane project and the Mig Foxbat 25. Rutledge had previously worked on the Gemini project and the USAF remembered that, so they chose him later for Apollo 20. He says he was chosen, “because I was one of the rare pilots who didn’t believe in God.” For some reason, he said that little thing was the deciding factor making him an astronaut. Rutledge says that there were 300 people working on the USAF in Vandenberg, California. During this mission there was a Russian-American collaboration to make the mission happen.
William Rutledge said that NASA’s Apollo 14 mission took photographs as they flew over the polar region of the dark side of the moon, recording numerous ships, odd shaped buildings, and ancient towering cities, most appearing abandoned for million years. The main mission of Apollo 20 was to explore a mother ship long since abandoned, but discovered in Apollo 14 photographs.
When Rutledge was speaking about the alien ship and lunar city on the moon, his descriptions sent ones imagination whirling. “We entered the two ships on the mission. One was a cigar shaped mother ship, the other a triangular-shaped ship. Most the mission fell on exploring the mother ship, which NASA believed crossed the universe at least 1.5 billion years ago. We witnessed many signs of biological life forms inside, like old remains of unusual plants in the section that apparently contains the engine for the craft. Another biological species came in the shape of triangular rocks that emit droplets of a yellow liquid that has medical properties. We found signs of extra-solar creatures. We discovered the remains of many tiny bodies measuring about 10 cm across. These tiny creatures were living in a complex network of glass tubes all along the interior of the ship. The most startling of all the discoveries was when we came upon two human like bodies, one of which was totally intact even after over a billion years on the ship.” The one intact EBE was named by Leonov or himself (he was unsure) calling her Mona Lisa. He said the EBE (Extraterrestrial Biological Entity) was female and close to 1.65 meters tall. She had genitals, hair and six fingers. Possibly meaning their mathematics may have been based on a dozen.
It was apparent that her function was to be a pilot. She had piloting devices attached to her fingers and eyes, yet had on no cloths. She had two thin cables that ran into here nose area, but note she had no nostrils. Leonov undid the devices over her eyes, causing secretions of bio liquid to shoot out and freeze from the mouth, nose, eyes and other parts of the body. Some areas of the body seemed in unusually good condition for its age. He stated, “As we told mission control, condition seemed not dead, not alive.” A thin transparent coating protected her hair and skin. We didn’t have a medical background so Leonov and I made a simple test. We decided to take off our bio equipment and attach it to the EBE so that it could send the telemetry back to Mission Control Medical experts. She is now on Earth and she is not dead, but I want to post other videos of her before I talk further about her. We also fund a second body that appeared to be destroyed. We took the head on board. The color of its skin was a pastel blue or blue-grey. The skin had a bit of unusual inscription over the eyes and forehead. There was a strap without inscription around the head. The cockpit of cigar shaped mother ship was full of calligraphy and was made by lengthy hexagonal tubes.
Rutledge said that he was surprised that no one ever asks him “why is it necessary to hide UFO’s?” He says it’s a question of economics. “All the currencies on Earth are based on the value of gold,” he states. Most people don’t know that gold is an exterritorial metal that is created when a star dies. When a star dies, its mass grows greatly, atoms get compressed and then the star explodes. Large amounts of gold get spread across young solar systems. That’s why gold is a carbon free metal. This means that it is the most common substance in the universe.
I found this statement above to be bizarre at first, but then when reviewing the “Alien Spaceship on the Moon – Fly over before landing” video clip that he released, I noticed several reflections of light, each a different color except two of them that the LM (lunar module) apparently flew over. The video is at revver.com/video/624300/apollo-20-legacy-part-1-the-city/ and at www.youtube.com/watch?v=bf1G8JAGzt8 . The first patch of gold appears at the far left of the screen at 55 seconds into the clip. The second larger patch appears 1.16 seconds and on the far left of the screen. Two yellow areas that I had earlier assumed were reflections, turns out to actually be huge patches of gold color mineral. One circle-shaped patch appears to be several meter in diameter, the other is clearly three to four times larger than the first. Now upon closer inspection, the gold appears to be similar in color to unprocessed gold ore with a luminosity of 20-24k gold. When I showed the video to a geologist friend at a local university, he confirmed that it has a high probability of being gold according to its reflection of the suns light and its surface color.
www.ufosightingsdaily.com/2011/06/nasa-photo-is-proof-of-apollo-20.html
Over 3.5 millions viewers. The man who does the below Video is a Pastor. Very knowledge about the fallen angels Entities. He talked about the EBE women found on the moon in their own mothership.
This is ONE of the MOST amazing/incredible Videos about 1.5 Billion years ago civilization woman commander body found on the Moon in a HUGE mother ship in 1976 by Americans/Russian Apollo 20 astronauts. The "Nazi"/Germans had UFOs (Time 27:00) and moon base city in the late 1930's (033:01). Now, the USA have 2 million Rothschild's and Illuminati live in this Huge city complex. Buildings, cities on the moon covered/erased by NASA. 3 HUGE Pyramids on the moon for energy/batteries sources (043:46). Shot down spaceship (046:02). A HUGE pagan altar building on the Moon (046:46). A Huge UFO mother ship (10 times the length of Queen Mary ship/tall as the Eiffel tower in Paris) Mining Mountain of gold, silver on the moon (048:42). The Apollo 11 astronauts entered abandoned an alien based, which the Nazi took over in 1930-40s. They found A dead human female Alien commander in the Huge UFO. She used hi-tech flying tubes connected to her eyes, and forehead to guide the UFO spaceship (1:07:22). Ancient writings on a green piece of paper. Cyborg tech. Computer circuit boards attached on her body's clothing. The mark on her forehead. The ancient female human Co-pilot head was cut off. These ancient civilization women were mining gold/mountain of it from the moon. (Over 3 Millions viewers!)
www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=uF-F67OUEAw&feature=fvwp
Ahhh, Nathan. I would like to help you out and provide verification (photographs, movies, certified documents)but because 90% of whet you write is a fabrication by people only interested in promoting their own interests I am reluctant to give you anything in fear it will be manipulated and re-posted with the wrong information attached. It would be like the photograph that I am currently using as my avatar here - a photo that has been labeled as me but nothing could be further from the truth. My patience is being tested by your behavior.
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Post by rational on Jul 17, 2014 18:22:06 GMT -5
Yes, they are.... the fallen angels own hybrid race= demigods/the giants... Angels DNA/genes with humans DNA/genes to be RULERS of the earth planet and other planets throughout the Universe..... the Reptilians/Dracos= humans/Dinosaur/fallen angels genes all mixed into one. Thanks, a few questions come to mind. Who created the Nephilim millions of years before Adam and Eve? If it was God, would he not leave a record in the bible of it? If you understand Adam and Eve to be from 6000 years ago, that sounds like you would maybe believe in a literal view of the creation where Adam and Eve were made on Day 6. If thats the case that would mean the earth was only created 5 days earlier. How would the Nephilim from millions of years earlier fit into this? Are you really expecting a logical explanation supported by the known laws of the universe??
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Post by uker260702 on Jul 17, 2014 18:39:45 GMT -5
Thanks, a few questions come to mind. 1) Who created the Nephilim millions of years before Adam and Eve? There were other humans before God created Adam and Eve.... Have you read or heard about Adam first wife, Lilth? 2) If it was God, would he not leave a record in the bible of it? ~~ The Bible doesn't tell us EVERYTHING! There are others books out there which are NOT included in the Bible..... The book of Enoch, the book of Noah and others before him.... which have information written are not recorded in the Bible. 3) If you understand Adam and Eve to be from 6000 years ago, that sounds like you would maybe believe in a literal view of the creation where Adam and Eve were made on Day 6. If thats the case that would mean the earth was only created 5 days earlier. How would the Nephilim from millions of years earlier fit into this? ~~ I don't understand about the Six Days creation part.... ALL I know the earth and the Universe have been here millions of years or older than that. I know other human beings existed millions years before Adam and Eve created by God 6000 yrs ago.
~~~ Human beings looking existed 1.5 Billion years ago civilization on the moon before Adam and Eve created.
Nate, if it sounds like the Book of Enoch/the book of Noah/other websites/youtube videos say something different to what is in the bible, should you be trusting them over the bible? If the bible says God created everything in just 6 days, 6000 years ago, are all these other books/websites not just adding to scripture? Aren`t there warnings in the bible against that? Would God not have put the Books of Enoch/Noah in the bible if they were true?
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Post by uker260702 on Jul 17, 2014 18:47:04 GMT -5
Thanks, a few questions come to mind. Who created the Nephilim millions of years before Adam and Eve? If it was God, would he not leave a record in the bible of it? If you understand Adam and Eve to be from 6000 years ago, that sounds like you would maybe believe in a literal view of the creation where Adam and Eve were made on Day 6. If thats the case that would mean the earth was only created 5 days earlier. How would the Nephilim from millions of years earlier fit into this? Are you really expecting a logical explanation supported by the known laws of the universe?? One lives in hope
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Post by uker260702 on Jul 18, 2014 1:20:19 GMT -5
Nate, if it sounds like the Book of Enoch/the book of Noah/other websites/youtube videos say something different to what is in the bible, should you be trusting them over the bible? 1) If the bible says God created everything in just 6 days, 6000 years ago, are all these other books/websites not just adding to scripture? Aren`t there warnings in the bible against that? ~~ Adding to the Scripture? that is for the book of Revelation ONLY.... John the apostle was talking about NOT to add or subtract anything from the book of Revelation! It was the Romans Catholic Church who did NOT add the book of Enoch, and many other books in the Bible. 2) Would God not have put the Books of Enoch/Noah in the bible if they were true? It was the RCC who put the Bible together NOT God. God inspired Enoch and others to write books so we can learn from it. It was the RCC who picked and choose which books to be canonized. The book of Enoch just found hidden in a cave in 1950s. I believe God wants us to READ and LEARN from it.~~ The book of Enoch taught by apostles, and early church fathers, The apostle Jude quote from the book of Enoch. Jude 1: 14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hq-5EjAeobI~~ Apostolic fathers teachings about Demons/Giants:(Genesis 6:4) There were Giants on the earth in those days, and also AFTERWARD, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore Children to them. Those were mighty men who were of old, men of renown. ~~ Justin Martyr (160 A.D.) The angels transgressed this appointment and were captived by love of women and they begat Children/Giants, who are called DEMONS. ~~ Athenagoras (170 A.D.) These angels, then, who have fallen from heaven, and haunt the air and the earth, and are no longer able to rise to heavenly things, and the souls of the Giants, who are the DEMONS, who wander about the world. Furthermore, certain angels who fell of their own free will, there sprang a more wicked demon brood, condemned of God along with the authors of their race. Their great business is the ruin of mankind. So, from the start, spiritual wickedness sought our destruction. Accordingly, they inflict upon our bodies diseases and other grievous calamities. ~~ Commodianus (248 A.D.) From the seed of the fallen angels and women, Giants are said to have been born. By them, arts were made known in the earth. They taught the dyeing of wool and everything that is done. When they DIED, men erected images to them. Yet, because they were of an evil seed, the Almighty did NOT approve of their being brought back from death when they had died. For that reason, they wander and they now subvert many bodies. And it is these whom the pagans presently worship and pray to as gods. ~~ Lactanius (303-313) The Giants who were born from the relations of angels with women were neither angels nor men, but had a MIXED nature---- were NOT admitted into hades when they died. Similarly, their fallen angels fathers had NOT been admitted into heaven, either. Thus there came to be TWO kinds of demons: One of heaven, the other of the earth. The latter are the wicked spirits, who are the authors of all the EVILS that are done. These wicked spirits were the inventors of astrology, soothsaying, divination, those production that are called oracles, the art of magic. ~~ Origen (225 A.D.) Now, of the wicked spirits, there is a two fold mode of operation. Sometimes they take complete and entire possession of the mind, so as NOT to allow their captives the power of either understanding or feeling. For example, this is the case with those who are commonly called "Possessed" whom we see to be deprived of reason. At other times, these evil forces use their wicked suggestions to deprave a conscious and intelligent souls with thoughts of various kinds---- Persuading it to do evil. Judas is an illustration of this. Thanks for your replies. There are a wide range of beliefs on the board and I find it interesting to consider what people believe, and their understanding/reasoning behind it
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Post by sharingtheriches on Jul 18, 2014 17:32:20 GMT -5
Nate, if it sounds like the Book of Enoch/the book of Noah/other websites/youtube videos say something different to what is in the bible, should you be trusting them over the bible? If the bible says God created everything in just 6 days, 6000 years ago, are all these other books/websites not just adding to scripture? Aren`t there warnings in the bible against that? Would God not have put the Books of Enoch/Noah in the bible if they were true? BTW, I don't think it was God who put the Bible together as it is.....all of the scriptures used to be on scrolls and I would think that a scroll would have been used until it was full then a new scroll would have been started. But likely this would not have been so as there were different writers for parts of the Bible! Thus it was a matter of someone else to put the interpreted scrolls and manuscripts in whatever order they thought best!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2014 18:49:57 GMT -5
Nate, if it sounds like the Book of Enoch/the book of Noah/other websites/youtube videos say something different to what is in the bible, should you be trusting them over the bible? If the bible says God created everything in just 6 days, 6000 years ago, are all these other books/websites not just adding to scripture? Aren`t there warnings in the bible against that? Would God not have put the Books of Enoch/Noah in the bible if they were true? BTW, I don't think it was God who put the Bible together as it is.....all of the scriptures used to be on scrolls and I would think that a scroll would have been used until it was full then a new scroll would have been started. But likely this would not have been so as there were different writers for parts of the Bible! Thus it was a matter of someone else to put the interpreted scrolls and manuscripts in whatever order they thought best! it appears at first glance the council of carthage in 397 canonized the bible you would have to believe these men were inspired of God to do that...
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Post by Gene on Jul 18, 2014 19:30:54 GMT -5
BTW, I don't think it was God who put the Bible together as it is.....all of the scriptures used to be on scrolls and I would think that a scroll would have been used until it was full then a new scroll would have been started. But likely this would not have been so as there were different writers for parts of the Bible! Thus it was a matter of someone else to put the interpreted scrolls and manuscripts in whatever order they thought best! it appears at first glance the council of carthage in 397 canonized the bible you would have to believe these men were inspired of God to do that... Were they in the work?
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Post by Commander Valiant Thor on Jul 21, 2014 16:52:34 GMT -5
Ahhh, Nathan. I would like to help you out and provide verification (photographs, movies, certified documents)but because 90% of whet you write is a fabrication by people only interested in promoting their own interests I am reluctant to give you anything in fear it will be manipulated and re-posted with the wrong information attached. It would be like the photograph that I am currently using as my avatar here - a photo that has been labeled as me but nothing could be further from the truth. My patience is being tested by your behavior. Sorry, Ram/VT... It was fun at first, but You're getting on my nerves, dude... from now on I am going to ignore answering your posts. Not sure who Ram/VT might be. There is no need to answer, Nathan, not on my account. But from here I can see a lot of confusion in your mind.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 21, 2014 17:12:38 GMT -5
BTW, I don't think it was God who put the Bible together as it is.....all of the scriptures used to be on scrolls and I would think that a scroll would have been used until it was full then a new scroll would have been started. But likely this would not have been so as there were different writers for parts of the Bible! Thus it was a matter of someone else to put the interpreted scrolls and manuscripts in whatever order they thought best! it appears at first glance that the council of carthage in 397 canonized the bible you would have to believe these men were inspired of God to do that... It does appear at first glance to be they, if one doesn't read the rest of the history -- probably the next millennium of Bible history. The biographies of the men who met in 397 may make one pause before suggesting they were inspired by God. But you are right in a sense -- they seemed to favor the books in the present Bible over all the others they had at their disposal.
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Post by snow on Jul 21, 2014 17:39:47 GMT -5
it appears at first glance that the council of carthage in 397 canonized the bible you would have to believe these men were inspired of God to do that... It does appear at first glance to be they, if one doesn't read the rest of the history -- probably the next millennium of Bible history. The biographies of the men who met in 397 may make one pause before suggesting they were inspired by God. But you are right in a sense -- they seemed to favor the books in the present Bible over all the others they had at their disposal. and, lets not forget, proceeded to try and rid the world of the ones they didn't choose. Oh and lets not forget the people that didn't agree with them too. Blood on their hands, so yes, they must have been inspired by the Hebrew God. His MO for sure.
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Post by faune on Sept 18, 2014 19:43:13 GMT -5
I believe I found the post about the elevation of Mary within the Roman Catholic Church up until her most recent change in status under Pope Francis as now being considered a part of the Holy Trinity along with Jesus. Honestly, I wonder where the RCC will rank the Holy Spirit as a result of this new proclamation by Pope Francis in 2014? The whole scenario of the Trinity seems a little lopsided from what I see?
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