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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2014 13:05:03 GMT -5
Kenneth Lerwick once had a dream where he saw the faithful getting their rewards and he asked about his. He was told something along the lines as they didn't know he would have been willing for what these people went through or something like that. Randy Satterfield can tell you because I heard RS preach this one year at the Seneca IL convention grounds.
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Post by faune on Jun 20, 2014 13:19:36 GMT -5
If a person doesn't have peace in the last few days, weeks and months of their life, was their life spent in vain?? I have read about workers fearing a lost eternity on their deathbeds. Sad. Sooooo sad. Walker ~ Why do you think workers, of all people, who claim to have given up all to follow Jesus, would be fearing a lost eternity on their deathbeds? After all, Jesus did say that those who left everything to follow Him would have l00 times more eternal riches in Heaven? That just doesn't make sense to me, unless they have a guilty conscience for some things they did while in the work?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2014 15:27:09 GMT -5
If a person doesn't have peace in the last few days, weeks and months of their life, was their life spent in vain?? I have read about workers fearing a lost eternity on their deathbeds. Sad. Sooooo sad. Walker ~ Why do you think workers, of all people, who claim to have given up all to follow Jesus, would be fearing a lost eternity on their deathbeds? After all, Jesus did say that those who left everything to follow Him would have l00 times more eternal riches in Heaven? That just doesn't make sense to me, unless they have a guilty conscience for some things they did while in the work?
i think satan loves it when a person is on their death bed, its the perfect time to make them start thinking about things that God has forgiven and long forgotten...
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Post by dmmichgood on Jun 20, 2014 15:51:52 GMT -5
If a person doesn't have peace in the last few days, weeks and months of their life, was their life spent in vain?? I have read about workers fearing a lost eternity on their deathbeds. Sad. Sooooo sad. Why so sad?
Maybe, they just finally woke up to realize that what they had believed & taught had no basis for truth.
If so, the only sad part was that they hadn't gained that knowledge and freedom much earlier in life!
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Post by dmmichgood on Jun 20, 2014 15:56:44 GMT -5
Kenneth Lerwick once had a dream where he saw the faithful getting their rewards and he asked about his. He was told something along the lines as they didn't know he would have been willing for what these people went through or something like that. Randy Satterfield can tell you because I heard RS preach this one year at the Seneca IL convention grounds. Oh, -you were at a Seneca IL convention!
Wonder if I might also have been there at the same time?
I often went to Seneca.
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Post by xna on Jun 20, 2014 16:31:08 GMT -5
If a person doesn't have peace in the last few days, weeks and months of their life, was their life spent in vain?? I have read about workers fearing a lost eternity on their deathbeds. Sad. Sooooo sad. Why so sad?
Maybe, they just finally woke up to realize that what they had believed & taught had no basis for truth.
If so, the only sad part was that they hadn't gained that knowledge and freedom much earlier in life!
A Brad Pitt moment for some perhaps? Attachments:
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Post by dmmichgood on Jun 20, 2014 20:02:27 GMT -5
Why so sad?
Maybe, they just finally woke up to realize that what they had believed & taught had no basis for truth.
If so, the only sad part was that they hadn't gained that knowledge and freedom much earlier in life!
A Brad Pitt moment for some perhaps? Good one by Brad Pitt.
I couldn't have said it better myself.
Unless you have given up the "comfort of religion" you have no idea of the peace such an action gives.
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Post by Gene on Jun 20, 2014 21:45:00 GMT -5
Kenneth Lerwick once had a dream where he saw the faithful getting their rewards and he asked about his. He was told something along the lines as they didn't know he would have been willing for what these people went through or something like that. Randy Satterfield can tell you because I heard RS preach this one year at the Seneca IL convention grounds. Oh, -you were at a Seneca IL convention!
Wonder if I might also have been there at the same time?
I often went to Seneca.
Me too, Dmmg! We lived in Iowa, and I was at Seneca in, I think, 1977, 1978, and again in about 1992 or 93.
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Post by faune on Jun 21, 2014 11:56:21 GMT -5
If a person doesn't have peace in the last few days, weeks and months of their life, was their life spent in vain?? I have read about workers fearing a lost eternity on their deathbeds. Sad. Sooooo sad. Why so sad?
Maybe, they just finally woke up to realize that what they had believed & taught had no basis for truth.
If so, the only sad part was that they hadn't gained that knowledge and freedom much earlier in life!
Dmmichgood ~ Perhaps these workers knew this truth all along and now feel a guilty conscience on their deathbed over promoting a lie all their lives and finally having to stand accountable before their Maker for those they misled?
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Post by dmmichgood on Jun 21, 2014 17:08:20 GMT -5
Oh, -you were at a Seneca IL convention!
Wonder if I might also have been there at the same time?
I often went to Seneca.
Me too, Dmmg! We lived in Iowa, and I was at Seneca in, I think, 1977, 1978, and again in about 1992 or 93. Gene, I was probably there all those years. Although I realize you probably weren't looking for the most beautiful woman at the convention, but anyway, that woman was('nt) me!
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Post by BobWilliston on Jun 21, 2014 18:31:44 GMT -5
Death to a Christian is GOING to heavenly home! To be absence from the Body is to be present with God. Death is the day of Rejoicing and NOT a day of mourning, to those who put their trust in the Lord Jesus Christ. I thought death to the Christian was laying in the grave (or elsewhere) until the day of judgment. The dogma varies with the decades.
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Post by Gene on Jun 22, 2014 18:56:12 GMT -5
Me too, Dmmg! We lived in Iowa, and I was at Seneca in, I think, 1977, 1978, and again in about 1992 or 93. Gene, I was probably there all those years. Although I realize you probably weren't looking for the most beautiful woman at the convention, but anyway, that woman was('nt) me! I could usually be found with the Ross family from Rockford. Did you know them? They had three children around my age, one of whom is an accomplished musician.
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Post by bubbles on Aug 25, 2014 6:51:17 GMT -5
[/quote]Some people's minds are active enough to keep them entertained without external input. [/quote]
Speaking from experience?
For some reason I found your comment hilarious
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Post by bubbles on Aug 25, 2014 6:58:16 GMT -5
/quote]Actually, back in my professing days, any visit to a Christian bookstore was considered taboo!! That would include reading any Christian literature or inspiration books! I guess the workers were afraid of you catching on to the outside world's concept of the gospel message that differed from their own version? Whatever the reason for their directive, I felt it was pretty paranoid on their part. What are your thoughts on this strange practice of avoiding Christian bookstores? [/quote] I think there is a view that books make money. Mamon. And yet the NZ workers raided and bought up every Secret Sect book from (christian book shops)they could lay their hands on so that the friends wouldnt be corrupted. More like truth exposed.
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Post by CherieKropp on Aug 25, 2014 9:06:19 GMT -5
Bubbles: How did this practice come to an end? Did they finally give up? How did the friends learn they were doing this?
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Post by faune on Aug 25, 2014 12:39:56 GMT -5
How did this practice come to an end? Did they finally give up? How did the friends learn they were doing this? Cherie ~ Perhaps one of the friends discovered their stack of books?
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Post by sharingtheriches on Aug 25, 2014 15:44:39 GMT -5
Some people's minds are active enough to keep them entertained without external input. That would be me! And me! My mind is never unbusy. It may not be accomplishing a whole lot, but it sure is thinking a lot! One of my aunts asked me one day, "Sharon, doesn't your mind ever not have a thought?" I didn't hardly know what to say because it had to take some thought to answer yea or nay!
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Post by sharingtheriches on Aug 25, 2014 15:59:16 GMT -5
I guess, when people are taught to believe all things spoken by one group and to believe that a god is directing them in all things, they no longer use their brains. People on death beds are typically under the influence of some sort of mind-altering drug. All of them, whether believers of religion or not, whether cultists or not, slip from life to death peacefully. I've even heard of non-truthers dying while doing what they enjoy - falling over dead. No long drawn out ordeal, which is what is expected of all those who don't follow the 'one true way'. Can you believe it?? Non-truthers dying peacefully and without drugs! Egad! I've even heard tell of atheists dying peacefully. Gasp! I was believing you until you said the one about the Atheist. Jondough, I know you've read this in the bible....that all will face the end battle....well it would seem some face that battle long before they become invalid or ready to die....thus there is peace in their hearts and minds...they've settled on what their life has been or not been in the whole scheme of God's plans...... I had noticed that often as the last breath was about to be taken, the eyes would open of a comatose person and they would be looking straight up and like they really are seeing something pleasant, for they would smile then close their eyes and peace does cover their face. I don't know what they've seen, other then what it has been said about one or two...when Stephen was being stoned to death, he prayed that God wouldn't hold the stoning against the perps and then he looked toward heaven and saw Jesus standing welcoming him into heaven! This is for believers only, I'm sure! I would like to hear what non-believers say to themselves, when they see this picture but yet are told "I knew you not." It's kind of scary to contemplate when the Saviour would say that to someone, isn't it?
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Post by sharingtheriches on Aug 25, 2014 16:05:28 GMT -5
My thoughts are that it is strange. "Don't want the friends led astray by half-truths and deception." But, as more than one of the younger friends has remarked from time to time, "Please give us a little more credit". What Hat ~ I agree, people deserve a little credit in the area of distinguishing between what is a good or bad influence! However, I also remember the suggestion made to friends by workers to burn anything that comes in "brown envelopes" from ex-members without even opening it to avoid the influence of any lies they may be peddling. Also, back in my earlier days, it was suggested that you have no contact with people who once stopped professing, since they might influence you in the wrong way.
Honestly, it was paranoia like this that really got me wondering about what they were trying to squelch or cover-up by their suggestions? Obviously, I discovered for myself eventually and became just another one of those shunned by the fellowship due to my bad spirit.
I feel the workers have had so much they've done their best to keep it secreted, that somehow, someway when people start courting other religions then it starts opening up the fact that perhaps someone has been a bit dishonest....doesn't it? All along the way there's been behavior issues that have been kept secret or have been tried to be kept secret and I know the workers are of the mind that they do not want their people getting into the know of these things. And what this has to do with bookstores is that there were court cases and many newspaper writings about the whole thing....I think just the smount of newspaper writings would be enough to tell some of us that something not on the up and up!
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Post by sharingtheriches on Aug 25, 2014 16:10:26 GMT -5
I thought death to the Christian was laying in the grave (or elsewhere) until the day of judgment. Let me clarified, the body of the Christian goes back to the dust, but the soul/spirit goes to be with God... Waiting for the day when they will receive the new Resurrection bodies. The dead who are not born again, their bodies go back to the dust, their souls go to a place of waiting/jail holding, for the final Judgment DAY to be sentenced to die the Second Death. They receive NO resurrection bodies to live forever with God.Here's my understanding on these things. IF Jesus returns before we die, we are changed in the blink of an eye into the same form he is in, for we will know him. IF we are resurrected and are judged to be worthy of the second death, I would think one would have to have some sort of body to "suffer" that second death as that suffering is the point of the judgment against that person. JMTs
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Post by sharingtheriches on Aug 25, 2014 16:25:35 GMT -5
Kenneth Lerwick once had a dream where he saw the faithful getting their rewards and he asked about his. He was told something along the lines as they didn't know he would have been willing for what these people went through or something like that. Randy Satterfield can tell you because I heard RS preach this one year at the Seneca IL convention grounds. Ken was always anxious to hear of others' dreams, visions, night time adventures.....Jon Platte often had such things and Ken was always glad when Jon shared those kind of things. When I had mine, Ken was so amazed that he asked me to get up and tell it at conv. although I'd already given my testimony! So to please him, I did....I had several tell me that my face glowed or shined while telling of the vision. I told them, that I wouldn't doubt it at all...that to have such an experience where one is very sure that they are seeing Jesus Christ our Lord is a time to shine...it was a privilege! The first time Ken had ever heard my vision was at a late dinner, I think it was, where he and John L. stopped at my home on their way back to their state/field....there were others there making up a small dinner party. I don't remember how the telling got started, but it just was......Ken asked me to repeat that vision several times......I miss Ken so very much...such a very tender man.....He spent his last strength telephoning all the folks he knew that were being tested with either health issues or tests and trials that were about to get them down....I also think that because he did this, that there are many of us perhaps being able to keep on going on believing in our Lord and Saviour and keeping on perhaps in the little place that seems to be ours in this life on earth!
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Post by bubbles on Aug 25, 2014 23:06:05 GMT -5
Bubbles: How did this practice come to an end? Did they finally give up? How did the friends learn they were doing this? I had inside information. Friends that witnessed it.
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Post by bubbles on Aug 25, 2014 23:12:31 GMT -5
How did this practice come to an end? Did they finally give up? How did the friends learn they were doing this? Cherie ~ Perhaps one of the friends discovered their stack of books? No not at all. That particular time a friends friend was being primed for the work and was spending the wkend with the workers. Her reaction was shocked horror consequently she never did follow through her desire for that Lifestyle
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Post by faune on Aug 26, 2014 2:09:14 GMT -5
Cherie ~ Perhaps one of the friends discovered their stack of books? No not at all. That particular time a friends friend was being primed for the work and was spending the wkend with the workers. Her reaction was shocked horror; consequently, she never did follow through her desire for that Lifestyle.Bubbles ~ That young gal must have gotten a good picture of what the work actually required in the covering up of 2x2 past history and those well kept secrets, hidden from view to protect the image of the one and only perfect way? It reminds me of that often quoted verse from the poet, Sir Walter Scott.
Bubbles shared earlier...
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Post by bubbles on Aug 26, 2014 3:32:33 GMT -5
No not at all. That particular time a friends friend was being primed for the work and was spending the wkend with the workers. Her reaction was shocked horror; consequently, she never did follow through her desire for that Lifestyle.Bubbles ~ That young gal must have gotten a good picture of what the work actually required in the covering up of 2x2 past history and those well kept secrets, hidden from view to protect the image of the one and only perfect way? It reminds me of that often quoted verse from the poet, Sir Walter Scott.
Bubbles shared earlier...
Very upset at the deviousness and dishonesty.
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Post by Commander Valiant Thor on Aug 26, 2014 7:33:29 GMT -5
Valiant Thor reads here and you may well get a visit before it is time for you to shuffle off that mortal coil! Oh my gosh! Do you suppose NB is actually VT? !? :oGene, I have the ability to be many things and your guess regarding NathanB is not as far off the mark as some of the skeptics who post here think. It is best that somethings remain a mystery because the truth is so mundane that it would cause widespread boredom. Cmdr Val Thor
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Post by Commander Valiant Thor on Aug 26, 2014 7:49:22 GMT -5
Oh my gosh! Do you suppose NB is actually VT? !? :o hahaha, gene. I am not VT. He and his fellow angels are watching over the earth right now. I wouldn't be surprised he is watching! and reading what has been posting about him on TMB... ;) Victor One mother ship: Its audio-visual-laser-type camera can select and pick up any person's actions and words as well as record them, all this up to a distance of 1200 miles from the spacecraft.
~~ So be very careful what you say about Valiant Thor. :)One thing I know you don't want to be on his bad side or him getting angry at you. You don't want to make him mad.
Robert Potter a member of Dr. Frank Stranges Inner Circle group:
The second Attempt on Dr Frank's life by the dark force US gov't
The next incident is a little more spectacular as it involves Military agents of the US Govt. When Dr Frank was invited to visit Victor 1, which sits at Lake Mead near Las Vegas he would meet Valiant Thor, Vice commander Donn or Vice Commander Teal at the airport.
During the time of this incident I feel it is most likely the 60′s also, as the tale begins with a limousine at the bottom of the stairs of the plane on the tarmac at McCarren Airport in Las Vegas. I presume 60′s because that was when you disembarked the plane on the tarmac instead of directly to the terminal. To move right along as I have a tendency to digress as Dr Frank was coming down the stairs he noticed the limousine with 2 men and a driver at the base of the stairs. One of the men was waving to him and called out to him “Dr Frank over here” Dr frank presumed it was some of the crew of the spaceship from Victor 1 that had been sent to get him.
It would have not been out of the ordinary as it seems the commander and his people can talk themselves into or out of any situation or go anywhere and do as they wish without hindrance of any mortal or worldly agency. So in Dr Franks mind they would have simply driven up to the gate and asked to be let in and the gate guard would have naturally opened the gate without question and be none the wiser. Such is the charisma and will of our benevolent spiritual host. Dr Frank got in the car and was relaxing and the men were uncharacteristically quiet. Dr Frank told me in retrospect he should have been more suspicious as he could smell cigar smoke and according to Dr Frank “The commander and his people never smoke”. As they drove away from the airport Dr Frank noticed they were not headed in the right direction to the spaceship and upon asking his escorts they told him to “Shut up and sit quiet”.
He was naturally alarmed and his anxiety was increasing dramatically as they pulled off the main highway onto one of the numerous sandy desert roads that exist in Nevada. No sooner had they stopped and they told him to “Get out”. He was kicked from behind and dashed to the ground as the 2 men sat upon him and began to beat him. Within seconds Commander Valiant Thor materialized along with Vice Commander Donn. (No transporter beams for these 2! Their appearance here is an act of will.) These masters and adepts from Venus seem to have superhuman like powers but they would say these miraculous feats are but the natural results of healthy normal and balanced lives living in accordance with God’s Law. Now back to our story!
Dr Frank relayed to me his relief and astonishment as Val with one hand grabbed one man by the scruff of the collar and threw him bodily about 10 feet through the air. Val’s other hand was raised and the tires on the limousine were melted in an instant, so the driver wasn’t going anywhere!. Val tossed the other man in the same direction as Vice Commander Donn “reached THROUGH the glass and pulled the driver out THROUGH the door”. The commander Val then raised his hands again and all three tough guys disappeared! When Dr Frank told me this story I was really excited as I thought it was so cool that they would protect him like that but I was especially curious as to where the men went, as I was extremely curious if they were sent back to Washington or what.
Dr Frank said the moment they were gone he had they same thoughtful question in his mind and looked at Val but before he could ask, Val said “Lets just say they have been displaced!” I am more inquisitive than Dr Frank and wouldn’t leave it at that and asked him “Did Val ever tell you where exactly they went” and Frank said “no”. So since I was curious what space beings might do to such a sick individual in this circumstance I pushed for an answer. I presumed that since they probably do not use punishment as we think of it I was wondering what would happen to them? I felt that they would most likely use treatment and counseling directed toward healing such a fractured person whose mind was so twisted that they would take part in such heinous acts against another.
So I again pressed Frank “where do you think they sent him” he replied “Probably to one of the salt mines on Pluto”. I take Dr Frank at his word so whether they were sent there or not I do not know. I do assume their are salt mines on Pluto and I reasoned it might make sense that being around that much salt might purify a mind by drawing out negativity from such a person. This is of course my speculation but I would also think that if they were put there, after waking up to the reality of such a move and facing the compassion of our space family they would have quickly renounced their ignorance and may possibly now be working for the forces of light. They may just have well been sent home to their bosses with quite a story to tell but I suppose we will never know. I hope to meet Val in person someday and if I do I will ask him and I promise to let you know if I am ever to be as fortunate and worthy as Dr Frank to be blessed with a friend like Val Thor our brother from Venus.
thepromiserevealed.com/dr-frank-stranges/
(Part II) Commander Valiant Thor
During his Pentagon years, the military as well as those in political power attempted everything in their power to break him down. They used measures of questioning, abuse and coercion in order to gain information regarding military weapons of destruction that could be placed in orbit in space as a potential threat against every nation on Earth. They spat into his face, threw hot water on his body and threw several chairs at him while he was seated. Those in charge of the interrogation actually punched him violently; smacking his face with such force that he fell to the floor on more than one occasion. All he did was smile back at them while refusing to yield such information. At one point they attempted to penetrate his skin with an injection of a certain chemical which they thought would render him into a state of cooperation.
Of course, as when they first attempted to do so during his initial medical examination, the needlepoint broke as they attempted to break the skin. Finally, the Commander rose to his feet, breaking the shackles which bound him to his chair, stood tall before them and said “I Have Had Enough of This Foolishness. IF anyone of you touches me again! IT WILL BE YOUR LAST MOVE ON THIS PLANET EARTH.” Without any other word spoken, the interrogators quietly backed away as he, to the astonishment of every one present, vanished before their very eyes. Needless to say, they all departed from that room talking to themselves.Valiant Thor's Victor One space ship by Dr/Pastor Frank Stranges in 1960sIt has been stated in the past that Val Thor has a space craft that is on the water of Lake Mead near Las Vegas, USA. Here are some information about Victor One: "Then I saw it. An actual, saucer-shaped vehicle was sitting on the water. I noticed a strange phenomena. The waves were gently rocking a power boat tied to the rough mooring, causing the boat to rise and fall. However, I noticed that the space craft DID NOT MOVE. I was to be informed later that the ship was equipped with a pencil-fine beam that when fixed on any solid object kept the ship from moving even one degree from that fixed position. As we neared the ship, it glistend in the light of the sun that was beautifully setting, rapidly. We sailed close to the craft with the motor cut off. Then an aperture opened, revealing two smiling faces. One man and one woman greeted me by name, took my hand, lifted me into the ship and then reached down for Val. A short time later, the small power-craft was also raised aboard and stowed in a compartment where a much larger power craft was also seen. My first impression was one of great exhilaration mingled with joy and excitement. I had read from time to time true accounts that had changed the lives of other UFO researchers and investigators. I have read many books that carefully outlined the experiences of those who had experienced actual space contact. But now it was different. It was happening to me. I remembered how my colleagues in the Christian ministry looked with disdain upon anyone who would dare relate incidents about "space people", "space vehicles" and such. But now I found myself caring less what anyone would possibly think of me because of my own experiences. I was there!" VICTOR ONE has been in this vicinity for eleven years. There are other Victor Class spacecraft which have been observing Earth for thousands of years. Several thousand people of Earth know of VICTOR ONE... approximately 2000 are U.S. Government officials currently in office. A limited number of people of Earth have visited VICTOR ONE, including several scientists. No government officials have ever visited VICTOR ONE. The "Victor Class" Sector A space craft of the Victor Class is a 300-foot diameter discus, twenty-two feet high at the rim, increasing to ninety- seven feet on the axis. The permanent crew is approximately 200. Its audio-visual-laser-type camera can select and pick up any person's actions and words as well as record them, all this up to a distance of 1200 miles from the spacecraft. There are presently about 450 persons under surveillance by VICTOR ONE. Only 20% are of a positive nature. The rest present some kind of threat to the planet. Approximately 103 victor Class spacecraft are on or near the surface of the Earth, active between some 287 locations The first Victor Class ship visited Earth nearly 6,000 years ago. When Albert Einstein's four papers of technical development first appeared in 1905, the need for close scrutiny increased. Deployment reached the present level of 103 in 1981 during the peak threat of nuclear war. All of e Victor Class ships were carefully constructed on board the Star ship. There is a level compartment on the very bottom of the Star ship where these ships are constructed and housed until they are dispatched. The crews are carefully chosen with the ranking officers being those who are considered seasoned to command such a craft. The design of the Victor Class ships is constant. There are no variations. There are other scout ships that are smaller (such as the one which Val used to go to Alexandria, Virginia and visit the Pentagon). The total number of crew on VICTOR ONE, as previously mentioned, is 200. With Valiant Thor as Commander, there are four crew members who serve in the capacity of Vice Commander. These include Donn, Thonn, Teel and the Medical Officer who is known as "Doc". These commanders have been chosen to serve until further advised. The rest of the compliment are those from the home planet Venus who have elected to serve under the direct command of Commander Val Thor. From time to time, however, there are those from other systems who volunteer to serve on VICTOR ONE for short periods to time... about three Earth months. This is done so that those of the crew members who wish to return home for a time may do so without disrupting the vital functions of the ship. Remember, life is not the same on their planets as it is here on Earth. No person or job is looked upon as any more or less important than any other person or job. www.galactic-server.net/rune/valienthor.htmlwww.galactic-server.net/rune/valthor2.html~~ Here's list of Commander Thor's mother's ships stationed around the world. The 287 Victor One at locations by land masses, oceans or countries are as follows: North & South Pacific Ocean.... 38 Japan..................................... 29 USA (48 States)............................ 21 North & South Atlantic Ocean... 18 USSR........................................ 17 China & Mongolia............................ 17 India, Afghanistan through Viet Nam........ 17 Middle East.............................................. 17 Africa & Madagascar... 17 Europe........................ 15 Indian Ocean.................... 13 Philippines & Indonesian Islands.... 11 Australia & New Zealand................... 9 South America.... 8 Scandinavia.......... 7 Canada.................. 6 Korea....................... 5 Arctic Ocean.... 4 Greenland & Iceland.... 3 Central America............. 2 Antarctica.... 2 Alaska.. 1 Others (due to vagueness of boundaries)...... 10= 287 There are presently about 450 persons under surveillance by VICTOR ONE. Only 20% are of a positive nature. The rest present some kind of threat to the planet. The first Victor Class ship visited Earth nearly 6,000 years ago. Isn't mind control wonderful? Once you insert the correct bit of information it can be developed and the information spread by people who actually believe they are spreading the truth and will defend their implanted ideas to the death. "the salt mines on Pluto" - Who in their right mind would think there were salt mines on Pluto? More to the point, who would believe that there would be any value in sending people there rather than just disassociating the atoms of which they are composed? We should have reigned Stranges in before he created stories like those related above.
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Post by faune on Oct 9, 2014 19:20:36 GMT -5
hahaha, gene. I am not VT. He and his fellow angels are watching over the earth right now. I wouldn't be surprised he is watching! and reading what has been posting about him on TMB... Victor One mother ship: Its audio-visual-laser-type camera can select and pick up any person's actions and words as well as record them, all this up to a distance of 1200 miles from the spacecraft.
~~ So be very careful what you say about Valiant Thor. :)One thing I know you don't want to be on his bad side or him getting angry at you. You don't want to make him mad.
Robert Potter a member of Dr. Frank Stranges Inner Circle group:
The second Attempt on Dr Frank's life by the dark force US gov't
The next incident is a little more spectacular as it involves Military agents of the US Govt. When Dr Frank was invited to visit Victor 1, which sits at Lake Mead near Las Vegas he would meet Valiant Thor, Vice commander Donn or Vice Commander Teal at the airport.
During the time of this incident I feel it is most likely the 60′s also, as the tale begins with a limousine at the bottom of the stairs of the plane on the tarmac at McCarren Airport in Las Vegas. I presume 60′s because that was when you disembarked the plane on the tarmac instead of directly to the terminal. To move right along as I have a tendency to digress as Dr Frank was coming down the stairs he noticed the limousine with 2 men and a driver at the base of the stairs. One of the men was waving to him and called out to him “Dr Frank over here” Dr frank presumed it was some of the crew of the spaceship from Victor 1 that had been sent to get him.
It would have not been out of the ordinary as it seems the commander and his people can talk themselves into or out of any situation or go anywhere and do as they wish without hindrance of any mortal or worldly agency. So in Dr Franks mind they would have simply driven up to the gate and asked to be let in and the gate guard would have naturally opened the gate without question and be none the wiser. Such is the charisma and will of our benevolent spiritual host. Dr Frank got in the car and was relaxing and the men were uncharacteristically quiet. Dr Frank told me in retrospect he should have been more suspicious as he could smell cigar smoke and according to Dr Frank “The commander and his people never smoke”. As they drove away from the airport Dr Frank noticed they were not headed in the right direction to the spaceship and upon asking his escorts they told him to “Shut up and sit quiet”.
He was naturally alarmed and his anxiety was increasing dramatically as they pulled off the main highway onto one of the numerous sandy desert roads that exist in Nevada. No sooner had they stopped and they told him to “Get out”. He was kicked from behind and dashed to the ground as the 2 men sat upon him and began to beat him. Within seconds Commander Valiant Thor materialized along with Vice Commander Donn. (No transporter beams for these 2! Their appearance here is an act of will.) These masters and adepts from Venus seem to have superhuman like powers but they would say these miraculous feats are but the natural results of healthy normal and balanced lives living in accordance with God’s Law. Now back to our story!
Dr Frank relayed to me his relief and astonishment as Val with one hand grabbed one man by the scruff of the collar and threw him bodily about 10 feet through the air. Val’s other hand was raised and the tires on the limousine were melted in an instant, so the driver wasn’t going anywhere!. Val tossed the other man in the same direction as Vice Commander Donn “reached THROUGH the glass and pulled the driver out THROUGH the door”. The commander Val then raised his hands again and all three tough guys disappeared! When Dr Frank told me this story I was really excited as I thought it was so cool that they would protect him like that but I was especially curious as to where the men went, as I was extremely curious if they were sent back to Washington or what.
Dr Frank said the moment they were gone he had they same thoughtful question in his mind and looked at Val but before he could ask, Val said “Lets just say they have been displaced!” I am more inquisitive than Dr Frank and wouldn’t leave it at that and asked him “Did Val ever tell you where exactly they went” and Frank said “no”. So since I was curious what space beings might do to such a sick individual in this circumstance I pushed for an answer. I presumed that since they probably do not use punishment as we think of it I was wondering what would happen to them? I felt that they would most likely use treatment and counseling directed toward healing such a fractured person whose mind was so twisted that they would take part in such heinous acts against another.
So I again pressed Frank “where do you think they sent him” he replied “Probably to one of the salt mines on Pluto”. I take Dr Frank at his word so whether they were sent there or not I do not know. I do assume their are salt mines on Pluto and I reasoned it might make sense that being around that much salt might purify a mind by drawing out negativity from such a person. This is of course my speculation but I would also think that if they were put there, after waking up to the reality of such a move and facing the compassion of our space family they would have quickly renounced their ignorance and may possibly now be working for the forces of light. They may just have well been sent home to their bosses with quite a story to tell but I suppose we will never know. I hope to meet Val in person someday and if I do I will ask him and I promise to let you know if I am ever to be as fortunate and worthy as Dr Frank to be blessed with a friend like Val Thor our brother from Venus.
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(Part II) Commander Valiant Thor
During his Pentagon years, the military as well as those in political power attempted everything in their power to break him down. They used measures of questioning, abuse and coercion in order to gain information regarding military weapons of destruction that could be placed in orbit in space as a potential threat against every nation on Earth. They spat into his face, threw hot water on his body and threw several chairs at him while he was seated. Those in charge of the interrogation actually punched him violently; smacking his face with such force that he fell to the floor on more than one occasion. All he did was smile back at them while refusing to yield such information. At one point they attempted to penetrate his skin with an injection of a certain chemical which they thought would render him into a state of cooperation.
Of course, as when they first attempted to do so during his initial medical examination, the needlepoint broke as they attempted to break the skin. Finally, the Commander rose to his feet, breaking the shackles which bound him to his chair, stood tall before them and said “I Have Had Enough of This Foolishness. IF anyone of you touches me again! IT WILL BE YOUR LAST MOVE ON THIS PLANET EARTH.” Without any other word spoken, the interrogators quietly backed away as he, to the astonishment of every one present, vanished before their very eyes. Needless to say, they all departed from that room talking to themselves.Valiant Thor's Victor One space ship by Dr/Pastor Frank Stranges in 1960sIt has been stated in the past that Val Thor has a space craft that is on the water of Lake Mead near Las Vegas, USA. Here are some information about Victor One: "Then I saw it. An actual, saucer-shaped vehicle was sitting on the water. I noticed a strange phenomena. The waves were gently rocking a power boat tied to the rough mooring, causing the boat to rise and fall. However, I noticed that the space craft DID NOT MOVE. I was to be informed later that the ship was equipped with a pencil-fine beam that when fixed on any solid object kept the ship from moving even one degree from that fixed position. As we neared the ship, it glistend in the light of the sun that was beautifully setting, rapidly. We sailed close to the craft with the motor cut off. Then an aperture opened, revealing two smiling faces. One man and one woman greeted me by name, took my hand, lifted me into the ship and then reached down for Val. A short time later, the small power-craft was also raised aboard and stowed in a compartment where a much larger power craft was also seen. My first impression was one of great exhilaration mingled with joy and excitement. I had read from time to time true accounts that had changed the lives of other UFO researchers and investigators. I have read many books that carefully outlined the experiences of those who had experienced actual space contact. But now it was different. It was happening to me. I remembered how my colleagues in the Christian ministry looked with disdain upon anyone who would dare relate incidents about "space people", "space vehicles" and such. But now I found myself caring less what anyone would possibly think of me because of my own experiences. I was there!" VICTOR ONE has been in this vicinity for eleven years. There are other Victor Class spacecraft which have been observing Earth for thousands of years. Several thousand people of Earth know of VICTOR ONE... approximately 2000 are U.S. Government officials currently in office. A limited number of people of Earth have visited VICTOR ONE, including several scientists. No government officials have ever visited VICTOR ONE. The "Victor Class" Sector A space craft of the Victor Class is a 300-foot diameter discus, twenty-two feet high at the rim, increasing to ninety- seven feet on the axis. The permanent crew is approximately 200. Its audio-visual-laser-type camera can select and pick up any person's actions and words as well as record them, all this up to a distance of 1200 miles from the spacecraft. There are presently about 450 persons under surveillance by VICTOR ONE. Only 20% are of a positive nature. The rest present some kind of threat to the planet. Approximately 103 victor Class spacecraft are on or near the surface of the Earth, active between some 287 locations The first Victor Class ship visited Earth nearly 6,000 years ago. When Albert Einstein's four papers of technical development first appeared in 1905, the need for close scrutiny increased. Deployment reached the present level of 103 in 1981 during the peak threat of nuclear war. All of e Victor Class ships were carefully constructed on board the Star ship. There is a level compartment on the very bottom of the Star ship where these ships are constructed and housed until they are dispatched. The crews are carefully chosen with the ranking officers being those who are considered seasoned to command such a craft. The design of the Victor Class ships is constant. There are no variations. There are other scout ships that are smaller (such as the one which Val used to go to Alexandria, Virginia and visit the Pentagon). The total number of crew on VICTOR ONE, as previously mentioned, is 200. With Valiant Thor as Commander, there are four crew members who serve in the capacity of Vice Commander. These include Donn, Thonn, Teel and the Medical Officer who is known as "Doc". These commanders have been chosen to serve until further advised. The rest of the compliment are those from the home planet Venus who have elected to serve under the direct command of Commander Val Thor. From time to time, however, there are those from other systems who volunteer to serve on VICTOR ONE for short periods to time... about three Earth months. This is done so that those of the crew members who wish to return home for a time may do so without disrupting the vital functions of the ship. Remember, life is not the same on their planets as it is here on Earth. No person or job is looked upon as any more or less important than any other person or job. www.galactic-server.net/rune/valienthor.htmlwww.galactic-server.net/rune/valthor2.html~~ Here's list of Commander Thor's mother's ships stationed around the world. The 287 Victor One at locations by land masses, oceans or countries are as follows: North & South Pacific Ocean.... 38 Japan..................................... 29 USA (48 States)............................ 21 North & South Atlantic Ocean... 18 USSR........................................ 17 China & Mongolia............................ 17 India, Afghanistan through Viet Nam........ 17 Middle East.............................................. 17 Africa & Madagascar... 17 Europe........................ 15 Indian Ocean.................... 13 Philippines & Indonesian Islands.... 11 Australia & New Zealand................... 9 South America.... 8 Scandinavia.......... 7 Canada.................. 6 Korea....................... 5 Arctic Ocean.... 4 Greenland & Iceland.... 3 Central America............. 2 Antarctica.... 2 Alaska.. 1 Others (due to vagueness of boundaries)...... 10= 287 There are presently about 450 persons under surveillance by VICTOR ONE. Only 20% are of a positive nature. The rest present some kind of threat to the planet. The first Victor Class ship visited Earth nearly 6,000 years ago. Isn't mind control wonderful? Once you insert the correct bit of information it can be developed and the information spread by people who actually believe they are spreading the truth and will defend their implanted ideas to the death. "the salt mines on Pluto" - Who in their right mind would think there were salt mines on Pluto? More to the point, who would believe that there would be any value in sending people there rather than just disassociating the atoms of which they are composed? We should have reigned Stranges in before he created stories like those related above. Well, I finally found the post relating to Lake Mead near Las Vegas, NV and its connection with Cmdr Val Thor. I'm sorry about not following this story in the past and now I have to catch up to what I've missed in the past regarding this space odyssey. It seems that this Dr. Frank is connected to all the hoopla surrounding our dear alien visitor in the past, according to Nathan's post above.
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