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Post by StAnne on Apr 23, 2014 16:17:22 GMT -5
I wonder if these Judaizers could have been these Ebionites referred to within this article from the description given of these early Jewish Christians? It seems these people were trying to make the Gentile converts feel they needed to convert to Judaism to be accepted within the Christian religion? Could anybody answer this question for me, which I have been trying to finding an answer since yesterday? www.newadvent.org/cathen/06336a.htmEbionites ... The earliest reference to a group that might fit the description of the later Ebionites appears in Justin Martyr's Dialogue with Trypho (c. 140). Justin distinguishes between Jewish Christians who observe the Law of Moses but do not require its observance upon others, and those who believe the Mosaic Law to be obligatory on all.[21] Irenaeus (c. 180) was probably the first to use the term "Ebionites" to describe a heretical judaizing sect, which he regarded as stubbornly clinging to the Law.[22] Origen (c. 212) remarks that the name derives from the Hebrew word "evyon," meaning "poor."[23] Epiphanius of Salamis in the 4th century gives the most complete but also questionable account in his heresiology called Panarion, denouncing eighty heretical sects, among them the Ebionites.[24][25] Epiphanius mostly gives general descriptions of their religious beliefs and includes quotations from their gospels, which have not survived. According to the Encyclopædia Britannica (2011), the Ebionite movement may have arisen about the time of the destruction of the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem (AD 70).[26] The majority of Church Fathers[citation needed] agree that the Ebionites rejected many of the precepts central to Nicene orthodoxy, such as his pre-existence, divinity, virgin birth, atoning death, and physical resurrection. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ebionites
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Post by faune on Apr 24, 2014 10:31:58 GMT -5
I wonder if these Judaizers could have been these Ebionites referred to within this article from the description given of these early Jewish Christians? It seems these people were trying to make the Gentile converts feel they needed to convert to Judaism to be accepted within the Christian religion? Could anybody answer this question for me, which I have been trying to finding an answer since yesterday? www.newadvent.org/cathen/06336a.htmEbionites ... The earliest reference to a group that might fit the description of the later Ebionites appears in Justin Martyr's Dialogue with Trypho (c. 140). Justin distinguishes between Jewish Christians who observe the Law of Moses but do not require its observance upon others, and those who believe the Mosaic Law to be obligatory on all.[21] Irenaeus (c. 180) was probably the first to use the term "Ebionites" to describe a heretical judaizing sect, which he regarded as stubbornly clinging to the Law.[22] Origen (c. 212) remarks that the name derives from the Hebrew word "evyon," meaning "poor."[23] Epiphanius of Salamis in the 4th century gives the most complete but also questionable account in his heresiology called Panarion, denouncing eighty heretical sects, among them the Ebionites.[24][25] Epiphanius mostly gives general descriptions of their religious beliefs and includes quotations from their gospels, which have not survived. According to the Encyclopædia Britannica (2011), the Ebionite movement may have arisen about the time of the destruction of the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem (AD 70).[26] The majority of Church Fathers[citation needed] agree that the Ebionites rejected many of the precepts central to Nicene orthodoxy, such as his pre-existence, divinity, virgin birth, atoning death, and physical resurrection. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ebionites StAnne ~ Thank you for providing the information I have been seeking after regarding these Ebionites who were part of the early church and the cause of must concern among men like Paul, who they considered an apostate and made their opinion known. They would have been a real "thorn in the flesh" to Paul, no doubt, and perhaps the one that he referred to which was given him by God to keep him humble? It is thought that the surviving members of this group later joined with the teachings of Islam in the 7th century, since their philosophy was so similar to that religion.
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Post by faune on Apr 24, 2014 10:50:30 GMT -5
Also, on another thread somebody brought to my attention that some today actually view Paul as a "false prophet" due to this Marcion Heresy in which his Pauline epistles were singled out as the basis for Christianity by Marcion. I believe the book entitled, "Zealot ~ The Life and Times of Jesus of Nazareth," by Reza Aslan, may also support this same view proposed in the articles below? I just started reading this book myself, but heard through others who have read it entirely that there's a lot about Paul within this book which is not exactly complimentary in relation to Jesus and the other 12 apostles. My guess would be that this writer, Reza Aslan, also supports these views shown below? These people were called Ebionites and were spoken against by some of the ECF's of the 2nd century, calling their teachings heresy.
professing.proboards.com/thread/21980/gospel-john-fake?page=2 (Please check bottom of Page 2 for post referenced above.) www.jesuswordsonly.com/recommendedreading/74-early-church-views.html
www.jesuswordsonly.com/recommendedreading/56-marcionism.html
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ebionites
poor paul rejected by the world and by christians the guy can't catch a break Wally ~ Actually Paul got a lot of attack from all sides during his ministry and had many close calls with death himself. What I find amazing is to read of these early converts called Judaizers, who probably were these Ebionites, was that they were so opposed to Paul and his ministry and taught many things contrary to what Paul taught concerning Jesus. Reference to these Judaizers can be found in Galatians 1, in fact. This group called the Ebionites are rumored to have eventually merged with the teachings of Islam during the 7th century due to the similarity with Islam due to their religious views regarding Jesus of Nazareth.
However, on the other hand, we have another heresy group which was formed by Marcion whose allegiance was to Paul and his epistles as being the only trustworthy scriptures and they only accepted a part of the Gospel of Luke and dismissed the others. They also dismissed the Old Testament teachings completely due to the contradictions they found within the O.T. scriptures. Tertullian wrote a lot about this heretical group, the Marcionites, during the 2nd century and Irenaeus addressed the Ebionites or heretical Judaizers in his writings.
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