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Post by fred on Apr 16, 2014 6:29:42 GMT -5
why you don't want to look like the world: 1Th_5:22 Abstain from all appearance of evil. LOL.....I thought we'd phased that one out. "Abstain from evil in all its forms" .............. doesn't really mean what some would like it to!!
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Post by rs on Apr 16, 2014 7:01:11 GMT -5
I wonder if they have ever stopped to think about how it appears to have two unmarried same sex adults working and living together, all the while referring to each other as "my companion"? I ran into a brother worker last year who referred to his companion as "my colleague".....so maybe they are becoming more aware. Have heard colleague used recently too
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2014 10:53:29 GMT -5
risque dressing is to be avoided when you combine the two verses i gave you... the opposite of modest is immodest which would be considered evil... I think that you still don't understand what I'm saying. This what you said in you original post:
"modest apparel must be different then what the world does, so look at what is popular in dress nowadays and do differently..." To me it seems to be that you are saying is to first look at the world and whatever they are doing you just do the opposite
So we should be observing what the "world" does and what ever it does, we are to do just the opposite?
Should one really be that involved in looking at the world that much?
Isn't that a terrible waste of one's time? Especially just so that we can do differently?
You didn't say don't dress in a "risque dressing" or "immodest"manner.
You just said to look at what is "popular in dress" nowadays and do differently..
Not all popular clothes today in the world are "risque or immodest".
Unless perhaps in the eye of the beholder?
you can use the world to gauge what is right or not along with observing what the bibles says its called balance...
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 16, 2014 13:55:01 GMT -5
I think that you still don't understand what I'm saying. This what you said in you original post:
"modest apparel must be different then what the world does, so look at what is popular in dress nowadays and do differently..." To me it seems to be that you are saying is to first look at the world and whatever they are doing you just do the opposite
So we should be observing what the "world" does and what ever it does, we are to do just the opposite?
Should one really be that involved in looking at the world that much?
Isn't that a terrible waste of one's time? Especially just so that we can do differently?
You didn't say don't dress in a "risque dressing" or "immodest"manner.
You just said to look at what is "popular in dress" nowadays and do differently..
Not all popular clothes today in the world are "risque or immodest".
Unless perhaps in the eye of the beholder?
you can use the world to gauge what is right or not along with observing what the bibles says its called balance... So I would spend my time observing the WORLD and anything that "THE WORLD" did, I should do differently?
If "THE WORLD" goes to movies, I don't?
If "THE WORLD" donates time & money to charities, then I don't?
Which part of "THE WORLD" do I look at? There are after all not just one "WORLD."
Why can't I just not pay any attention to the world & just dress according to what is comfortable and suits me?
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Post by LITTLEPADDY on Apr 16, 2014 15:48:43 GMT -5
It is a totally different thing to "dress opposite to what we see the general public wear" and to get the balance right.
Eighty per cent of people I meet daily dress modestly and show no appearance of evil
avoiding the appearance of evil can /does apply to our spirit towards everybody. So easy to appear evil due to our attitude and judgement of others
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 16, 2014 21:57:28 GMT -5
It is a totally different thing to "dress opposite to what we see the general public wear" and to get the balance right. Eighty per cent of people I meet daily dress modestly and show no appearance of evil avoiding the appearance of evil can /does apply to our spirit towards everybody. So easy to appear evil due to our attitude and judgement of others That's true, but the way it was originally posted seemed to me to be saying look at the world & dress differently.
Your right, most of people that I see also dress modestly.
That is why I objected to saying to look at the world & dress differently!It is totally misleading.
One does not have to pay any attention to the "world" to dress modestly! What part of the "world" should one observe? There isn't just one group of people called the "world"!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2014 22:15:03 GMT -5
you can use the world to gauge what is right or not along with observing what the bibles says its called balance... So I would spend my time observing the WORLD and anything that "THE WORLD" did, I should do differently?
If "THE WORLD" goes to movies, I don't?
If "THE WORLD" donates time & money to charities, then I don't?
Which part of "THE WORLD" do I look at? There are after all not just one "WORLD."
Why can't I just not pay any attention to the world & just dress according to what is comfortable and suits me?
we WERE talking about clothes/dress not movies or donating time and money to charities... I think i've been pretty clear on what to do/not do use some Discernment...do with that what you will...
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 16, 2014 22:23:48 GMT -5
So I would spend my time observing the WORLD and anything that "THE WORLD" did, I should do differently?
If "THE WORLD" goes to movies, I don't?
If "THE WORLD" donates time & money to charities, then I don't?
Which part of "THE WORLD" do I look at? There are after all not just one "WORLD."
Why can't I just not pay any attention to the world & just dress according to what is comfortable and suits me?
we WERE talking about clothes/dress not movies or donating time and money to charities... I think i've been pretty clear on what to do/not do use some Discernment...do with that what you will... I'm tired of trying to explain.
The way it was originally posted seemed to me to be saying look at the world & dress differently.
Most of people that I see dress modestly.
That is why I objected to saying to look at the world & dress differently!
It is totally misleading.
One does not have to pay any attention to the "world" to dress modestly! What part of the "world" should one observe? There isn't just one group of people called the "world"!
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Post by emy on Apr 16, 2014 23:15:32 GMT -5
why you don't want to look like the world: 1Th_5:22 Abstain from all appearance of evil. The rule makers & enforcers have gotten a lot of mileage out of that verse. Especially when they decide what is evil. Years ago it was used to discourage an interracial relationship. It's still getting trotted out these days, heard it quoted when asked about whether a movie theater was appropriate or not. I wonder if they have ever stopped to think about how it appears to have two unmarried same sex adults working and living together, all the while referring to each other as "my companion"? The PC term now is co-worker.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2014 0:22:27 GMT -5
When I was young wearing pants in the fellowship was a big NO.I was very emotional about it thinking that my older sister was going straight to hell because she wore pants (she was all ready working and not professing)what a surprise I had when I visited some elders wife's and found them in the forbidden apparel!My husband have even seen some older professing ladies in jeans while shopping! I know there is something in the Bible that say's we are not supposed to wear the opposite sexes clothes.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2014 0:30:50 GMT -5
I know there is something in the Bible that say's we are not supposed to wear the opposite sexes clothes. i thought there was something too but i can't find it for some reason...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2014 0:41:08 GMT -5
aha found it...
Deu 22:5 The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God.
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Post by Annan on Apr 17, 2014 9:41:32 GMT -5
my only thought is the modest apparel must be different then what the world does, so look at what is popular in dress nowadays and do differently... Separatism is what inspires hate. It gives the impression that one considers themselves to be elite and above others. Which, is exactly what is being said when being told not to be "in the world". This is why it was so easy for Hitler to inspire hatred against the Jews. I keep asking this question, but no one ever answers me. Why is allowing God to lead and guide your life not enough? Why submit to man's rules? Sad state of affairs.
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Post by snow on Apr 17, 2014 12:37:27 GMT -5
aha found it... Deu 22:5 The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God. So, according to God, a woman wearing pants is on par with homosexuality? Just trying to get all this stuff figured out. Never know when one might need to know these things. ps. doesn't anyone see the silliness of all this yet? If jeans aren't an abomination to God neither should homosexuality be an abomination to God. Is God really that petty? Or do you think it just might be the opinion of men in a tribe of middle eastern people who thought these things were true, and not really what God wants? I mean after all, if those jeans are made from anything other than pure cotton, you have committed yet another sin. We're all going to hell at this rate.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2014 12:58:26 GMT -5
my only thought is the modest apparel must be different then what the world does, so look at what is popular in dress nowadays and do differently... Separatism is what inspires hate. It gives the impression that one considers themselves to be elite and above others. Which, is exactly what is being said when being told not to be "in the world". This is why it was so easy for Hitler to inspire hatred against the Jews. I keep asking this question, but no one ever answers me. Why is allowing God to lead and guide your life not enough? Why submit to man's rules? Sad state of affairs. Tit_2:12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; 1Jn_2:15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. Joh_17:16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. etc...etc...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2014 13:03:33 GMT -5
aha found it... Deu 22:5 The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God. So, according to God, a woman wearing pants is on par with homosexuality? Just trying to get all this stuff figured out. Never know when one might need to know these things. ps. doesn't anyone see the silliness of all this yet? If jeans aren't an abomination to God neither should homosexuality be an abomination to God. Is God really that petty? Or do you think it just might be the opinion of men in a tribe of middle eastern people who thought these things were true, and not really what God wants? I mean after all, if those jeans are made from anything other than pure cotton, you have committed yet another sin. We're all going to hell at this rate. yes according to God its an abomination but not unto death like homosexuality was...
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 17, 2014 14:35:18 GMT -5
aha found it... Deu 22:5 The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God. Do you adhere to all the other "shall not's" and "shall's" in the OT?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2014 14:40:20 GMT -5
when it concerns moral law yes when it concerns ceremonial law no..i.e thou shalt not commit adultery, yes...sacrificing lambs, no...
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 17, 2014 15:30:45 GMT -5
when it concerns moral law yes when it concerns ceremonial law no..i.e thou shalt not commit adultery, yes...sacrificing lambs, no... Sounds as if you are a "cafeteria" Christian.
Just take what you want & leave the rest.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2014 18:13:00 GMT -5
nope...Christ, Paul and others reiterate moral law in the NT and they abandon the ceremonial law, i'm simply following what they said
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Post by LITTLEPADDY on Apr 17, 2014 20:32:38 GMT -5
With regard to women wearing men's clothes and men wearing women's clothes I am not aware of the 'Fashion' at that time
Maybe it would have totally immodest for people to have dressed like that
Some people regard women wearing pants/trousers as wearing men's clothes. This is not the case as women's pants would look ridiculous on a man and likewise for à woman to wear men's trousers. You therefore find the appropriate garments in the 'ladies' and 'gents' departments.
If a girl/woman is working up a ladder or climbing etc can you tell me apart from pants/trousers what could she wear that would be modest.
It is what is in the heart and how we live our lives that matters. Pray for Guidance, More Love, A Right Spirit and GOD won't lead us astray.
Sad if it takes our clothes or hair in a bun to prove we are trying to serve God
Yes it is good to be different IF that's what it takes to be right. If it is being different just to please others I would fear self righteousness
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 24, 2014 16:45:47 GMT -5
Having the knees uncovered would depend on the knee. It's definetly a sin if it is attached to a leg that waddles. However if it is attached to a leg that belongs to someone who looks after their body and does not treat it like the local dump then I'm all for seeing a bit of knee.
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Post by embers on Apr 24, 2014 16:55:42 GMT -5
I don't know if it's accurate or true, but I was always told that not wearing 'braided hair' was because they used to weave all sorts of things into the hair. It wasn't the braiding, but he fluff they wove into the braiding. Anyways, that's what I was told. Don't know how accurate that info is. I just believed it without questioning.
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Post by bubbles on Nov 16, 2014 15:20:06 GMT -5
why you don't want to look like the world: 1Th_5:22 Abstain from all appearance of evil. The rule makers & enforcers have gotten a lot of mileage out of that verse. Especially when they decide what is evil. Years ago it was used to discourage an interracial relationship. It's still getting trotted out these days, heard it quoted when asked about whether a movie theater was appropriate or not. I wonder if they have ever stopped to think about how it appears to have two unmarried same sex adults working and living together, all the while referring to each other as "my companion"? Hmm..Never looked at it like that. I did notice young vibrant women go in the work and change into serious faced lifeless individuals. Like their spirit had been quenched.
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 17, 2014 1:42:02 GMT -5
why you don't want to look like the world: 1Th_5:22 Abstain from all appearance of evil. The rule makers & enforcers have gotten a lot of mileage out of that verse. Especially when they decide what is evil. Years ago it was used to discourage an interracial relationship. It's still getting trotted out these days, heard it quoted when asked about whether a movie theater was appropriate or not. I wonder if they have ever stopped to think about how it appears to have two unmarried same sex adults working and living together, all the while referring to each other as "my companion"? "Abstain from all appearance of evil" is not only used to keep people in line but also used thus: "although it might not hurt you because you are strong, it could be a hindrance to your brother who might not be as strong as you!"
Double whammy! Pats you on the back for being stronger while at the same time making you feel guilty!
Sometimes you almost think these guys had studied the physiological methods of manipulating people!
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Post by snow on Nov 17, 2014 10:42:06 GMT -5
The rule makers & enforcers have gotten a lot of mileage out of that verse. Especially when they decide what is evil. Years ago it was used to discourage an interracial relationship. It's still getting trotted out these days, heard it quoted when asked about whether a movie theater was appropriate or not. I wonder if they have ever stopped to think about how it appears to have two unmarried same sex adults working and living together, all the while referring to each other as "my companion"? "Abstain from all appearance of evil" is not only used to keep people in line but also used thus: "although it might not hurt you because you are strong, it could be a hindrance to your brother who might not be as strong as you!"
Double whammy! Pats you on the back for being stronger while at the same time making you feel guilty!
Sometimes you almost think these guys had studied the physiological methods of manipulating people!
manipulation and religion are bed fellows. You can't have one without the other it seems. The creation of hell helped their cause a lot.
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Post by CherieKropp on Nov 17, 2014 22:03:52 GMT -5
They also use the term "my associate" to refer to the person they formerly called "my companion"
I don't have a problem with changing terminology. It happens everywhere all the time for various reasons.
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Post by tom on Nov 18, 2014 19:58:46 GMT -5
Hi I understand that modesty (in dress and in all things) is expected of those that endeavor to serve God. My question is where in the scripture are we told that a female should dress with their knees covered. Also if a woman should have her head covered when attending church/meeting and hair as we know was given to women as a covering then as men should have there heads uncovered should they not shave their heads. Are we not told that the plaiting of the hair is wrong Just wondering how 2x2's can explain this Who said they have to ??
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