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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2014 19:33:26 GMT -5
On Youth 323, one young lady was telling about a horrible experience she had on one of the facebook groups (secret world of Truth and Professing open air). She needed encouragement on 323 because of reading so many negative posts on The Secret world of truth group. She accused those people of being unwilling and blaming others. Ammish give up electricity and would some of these willing friends be WILLING to give up their electricity?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2014 20:12:11 GMT -5
i can imagine a certain amount of negativity if the group is mainly ex-2x2's...i'm not sure where you are going with the electricty comment...
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Post by Roselyn T on Apr 14, 2014 23:01:08 GMT -5
So there is no negativity with those that go to meeting still its only the ex's !!!!
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Post by Roselyn T on Apr 14, 2014 23:18:07 GMT -5
I have to agree Ross !
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Post by gecko45 on Apr 15, 2014 0:02:56 GMT -5
Bitter and unwilling seems to be a catch all that stops people from asking to many questions about those who left.
For many years I simply trusted what I was told but eventually some of those who were labeled "bitter and unwilling" (or "contentious" or "bad spirit" etc), were people whose situation I was very familiar with. Thier particular situation was much more complex but it was brushed off as a result of being unwilling. It was obvious to me that I was being lied to (or pertinent information was withheld, as bad as lying to me) so how could I trust anything else they said? And what were they telling others behind my back about why I left the work?
There are many (workers and friends) that I still trust and I appreciate their candor, but the higher they are up the ladder of power and influence, the less I trust what they say.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2014 0:11:44 GMT -5
So there is no negativity with those that go to meeting still its only the ex's !!!! i must be living in a perfect group cause i'm not seeing it or people are hiding it from me...i meet with 3 of the elders once a month outside of meeting and there is rarely anything they say thats negative other than prices are high, gas ain't cheap...etc..etc...
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Post by Roselyn T on Apr 15, 2014 0:34:08 GMT -5
So therefore it doesn't exist ! Maybe they are hiding it from you .... !
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Post by kencoolidge on Apr 15, 2014 5:40:20 GMT -5
i can imagine a certain amount of negativity if the group is mainly ex-2x2's...i'm not sure where you are going with the electricty comment... Wally Interesting comment that ex 2x2's carry about any negativity. How could they after everyone understands that the truth claims to be the TRUTH.Perhaps folks who have been decieved have a certan foul taste thats hard to get rid of? Perhaps they only are stateing their experience and folks feel they are negative? ken
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2014 6:29:12 GMT -5
To produce electricity, you need both "negative" and "positive". That's where the light comes from! So it is with any group that I have been associated with. For myself, I try to measure comments against the standard of Jesus ("perfection"). I don't always get it right, of course! But if things are out of line with the standard (as, unfortunately, is often the case nowadays), negative comments may be right and proper if the underlying intention is to be constructive.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2014 7:42:36 GMT -5
There is plenty of negativity among innies but as Ross suggests, it only comes out among those whom they trust. Most people just bottle it up like stuffing a cork into a bottle. Sometimes the pressure in the bottle gets so intense that it causes health problems.
What is really interesting is knowing someone who is quite negative in private and then watch them go all sweet and gaga when the workers are around. They transition so smoothly that I doubt they even realize they are doing it. I feel sorry for them because inside they can't feel a lot of stability.
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Post by ellie on Apr 15, 2014 8:39:25 GMT -5
On Youth 323, one young lady was telling about a horrible experience she had on one of the facebook groups (secret world of Truth and Professing open air). She needed encouragement on 323 because of reading so many negative posts on The Secret world of truth group. She accused those people of being unwilling and blaming others. Ammish give up electricity and would some of these willing friends be WILLING to give up their electricity? Any facebook experts know if it is possible to join groups and not have the group name appear anywhere on my profile?
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Post by snow on Apr 15, 2014 11:35:43 GMT -5
So there is no negativity with those that go to meeting still its only the ex's !!!! i must be living in a perfect group cause i'm not seeing it or people are hiding it from me...i meet with 3 of the elders once a month outside of meeting and there is rarely anything they say thats negative other than prices are high, gas ain't cheap...etc..etc... Maybe it's because your definition of negative is the same as the others in your group so you might not recognize 'negative' as being negative?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2014 11:50:10 GMT -5
On Youth 323, one young lady was telling about a horrible experience she had on one of the facebook groups (secret world of Truth and Professing open air). She needed encouragement on 323 because of reading so many negative posts on The Secret world of truth group. She accused those people of being unwilling and blaming others. Ammish give up electricity and would some of these willing friends be WILLING to give up their electricity? Any facebook experts know if it is possible to join groups and not have the group name appear anywhere on my profile? Only if the group is set to Secret, I believe. Which the group The Secret World of Truth is. If you're interested in joining, PM me and I can add you! Otherwise, if you want to join a group while remaining anonymous, you just have to set up a fake Facebook profile I guess... As a member of the Secret World group, I can tell you that any perceived negativity there is simply the result of people sharing experiences and feelings with the intent of helping others, and also with the hope of healing themselves. I feel much more "at home" there than I ever did on any of the other groups...323 Youth, True Friends, Professing Friends, Saints & Servants...you name it. I know there is quite a bit of gossip about those of us in the Open Air and Secret World groups on those other sites, and reading what they have to say is actually quite appalling. Apparently we are now "of Satan", we've lost the battle, we are no longer in unity with them because we've taken a different road, we've stepped aside, we've fallen away (which of course is scriptural that some would), we didn't read and pray enough, we are nit picking and trying to use our own logic to understand "truth", we have the wrong spirit, we've been sidetracked, we've been led astray, we've made wrong decisions, we're blaming others to cover up our own unwillingness, etc... I know some of the people that are saying those things personally. If they really were concerned about me, why wouldn't they just message me to discuss it instead of plaster it all over Facebook? It's like junior high, quite honestly. And even more ridiculous are the people that don't know me at all that are saying those things. And of course, mixed in with all their judgement of us, was praise for themselves...how grateful they are that they have discernment where they can see that we are of Satan and have the wrong spirit and that they didn't give in to that and also let Satan have the victory. And of course more praise for Facebook groups that ARE "encouraging and edifying" like 323 Youth, etc...where discussion is NOT allowed. I have no idea why they have such a huge fear of discussion, but it is almost humorous. It's often mentioned if anyone tries to post anything too "out of the box" that they aren't looking for "discussion", only "encouragement".
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Post by xna on Apr 15, 2014 12:09:10 GMT -5
"Apparently we are now "of Satan", we've lost the battle, we are no longer in unity with them because we've taken a different road, we've stepped aside, we've fallen away (which of course is scriptural that some would), we didn't read and pray enough, we are nit picking and trying to use our own logic to understand "truth", we have the wrong spirit, we've been sidetracked, we've been led astray, we've made wrong decisions, we're blaming others to cover up our own unwillingness, etc... "
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Post by blandie on Apr 15, 2014 12:20:31 GMT -5
Is slapping people with the bitter and unwilling label good evidence of the person making that kind of slur being themselves bitter and unwilling?
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Post by arwen89 on Apr 15, 2014 14:14:30 GMT -5
Ugh! This is just eating away at me! How DARE someone assume that Satan is working on someone purely by glimpse h a couple of comments made on afb page? ! These people stated spring out crap about unwillingness and turning aside, and they didn't even really know what what the original poster was talking about! A major following I'd the Professing Friends group are related to me and people I know well. Makes me sick to see them say I'm being taken by Satan and stepping aside from God. They really just have no clue. ☆Arwen☆
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2014 14:49:45 GMT -5
i must be living in a perfect group cause i'm not seeing it or people are hiding it from me...i meet with 3 of the elders once a month outside of meeting and there is rarely anything they say thats negative other than prices are high, gas ain't cheap...etc..etc... Maybe it's because your definition of negative is the same as the others in your group so you might not recognize 'negative' as being negative? it would be hard not to see negative comments if they rear thier ugly head...
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Post by snow on Apr 15, 2014 15:52:02 GMT -5
Maybe it's because your definition of negative is the same as the others in your group so you might not recognize 'negative' as being negative? it would be hard not to see negative comments if they rear thier ugly head... Not if you agree with them. If someone said something negative which you agreed with, then you likely wouldn't view the comment as negative, am I correct? That is what I mean. They hold your viewpoint on life so what they say is not negative to you, yet could very easily be quite negative for others not of your mindset. Do you understand what I mean. It's not black and white. Since you agree with most of the 2x2 mindset, then you likely aren't in a position to see the negatives because you believe in them too. We don't always see the negatives if we hold that belief ourselves and I am in that category same as anyone else. I just hold a bunch of different beliefs then you about what is negative.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2014 15:59:08 GMT -5
i suppose thats possible, but really i don't see much gossip/negative talk in the group i have fellowship with. i am however surrounded by older folks that have been in the truth for along time maybe thats why there is little negativity
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2014 16:23:51 GMT -5
The pro-meeting system facebook groups are Saints and Servants and Youth 323. The group for ex-professing folks and openminded professing folks include Professing Open Air and The Secret world of Truth. The lady on saints and servants was complaining about the bitter people on "the secret world of Truth". The Secret world of Truth is TMB without anonymity.
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Post by irvinegrey on Apr 15, 2014 16:28:41 GMT -5
Throughout my research for my thesis (and subsequent book) Two by Two the Shape of a Shapeless Movement I had many accounts related to me of the bitterness that emanated from those within the 2x2 movement against those who left. Those who leave the movement fall into different categories but can be broadly divided into two main areas. There are those who leave when they realise that the movement is theologically flawed and they come to a living faith in Christ and become involved in another church group. Then there are those leave the movement and are without faith and simply drift along, some going into atheism.
The bitterness from those within the movement seems to be more directed against those who come to a living faith in Christ and are involved in an evangelical church.
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Post by whyisitso on Apr 15, 2014 16:31:50 GMT -5
I feel sorry for people that have such tunnel vision....
We're not perfect but the way is, we're all just human you know......but behind that is 'I'm just a little bit more perfect than you tho!'
I think they forget that at some stage a lot of exes quite possibly thought the same, so we pretty much know what the thought process is. Sad but true. For me anyway.
As I was growing up little things would niggle me about the silly rules but I would still vehemently stand up for the 'truth'.
When you have family leave it makes you stick up for the 'truth' even more. Can't be seen to say a bad word. It causes you to not be realistic and continually lie to yourself about what's REALLY going on.
I have respect for people who still go to meetings that believe enough in their own strength of faith that they can honestly and openly discuss the issues within the church.
People who are still totally ingrained in the fellowship will not understand that mindset and see it as being disloyal to discuss such things. There is one of two reasons for that.
1. They really don't have a clue and nothing has ever affected them on a negative way so there is no way they could enter into a discussion relating to the negative. 2. They do know what's going on but are quite happy to still cover it up! i.e. LIE.
Just because you discuss the issues openly and honestly with 'exes' doesn't mean you have a lack of faith.
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Post by xna on Apr 15, 2014 17:35:33 GMT -5
Throughout my research for my thesis (and subsequent book) Two by Two the Shape of a Shapeless Movement I had many accounts related to me of the bitterness that emanated from those within the 2x2 movement against those who left. Those who leave the movement fall into different categories but can be broadly divided into two main areas. There are those who leave when they realise that the movement is theologically flawed and they come to a living faith in Christ and become involved in another church group. Then there are those leave the movement and are without faith and simply drift along, some going into atheism. The bitterness from those within the movement seems to be more directed against those who come to a living faith in Christ and are involved in an evangelical church. What you write is in agreement with my experience, except the part about "drifting into atheism". My experience has been, for those who come to an atheists worldview, where the god question is important, it is because they once were committed believers. They came to atheism not by drifting, but from even more study of the bible, self examination, being intellectual honest, & above all seeking to know what is real and what is true. I suspect many Christians would be surprised atheist know the bible, and how much they read the bible. If you leave a religion I do think some drifting helps you normalize your thinking. It's good to get out of the echo chamber before you honestly examine what you believed, and why. There is not much intrinsic upside to taking the atheist label in the USA. Your life will be much much easier if you drift with the big school of fish. To me it's about thinking and be honest. Being honest may not get you the most friends, but it gets you the best ones.
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Post by snow on Apr 15, 2014 18:26:27 GMT -5
i suppose thats possible, but really i don't see much gossip/negative talk in the group i have fellowship with. i am however surrounded by older folks that have been in the truth for along time maybe thats why there is little negativity Well then, you are truly blessed to be surrounded by such wonderful people.
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Post by xna on Apr 15, 2014 18:28:54 GMT -5
I think goes in this tread.
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Post by snow on Apr 15, 2014 18:33:45 GMT -5
Throughout my research for my thesis (and subsequent book) Two by Two the Shape of a Shapeless Movement I had many accounts related to me of the bitterness that emanated from those within the 2x2 movement against those who left. Those who leave the movement fall into different categories but can be broadly divided into two main areas. There are those who leave when they realise that the movement is theologically flawed and they come to a living faith in Christ and become involved in another church group. Then there are those leave the movement and are without faith and simply drift along, some going into atheism. The bitterness from those within the movement seems to be more directed against those who come to a living faith in Christ and are involved in an evangelical church. What you write is in agreement with my experience, except the part about "drifting into atheism". My experience has been, for those who come to an atheists worldview, where the god question is important, it is because they once were committed believers. They came to atheism not by drifting, but from even more study of the bible, self examination, being intellectual honest, & above all seeking to know what is real and what is true. I suspect many Christians would be surprised atheist know the bible, and how much they read the bible. If you leave a religion I do think some drifting helps you normalize your thinking. It's good to get out of the echo chamber before you honestly examine what you believed, and why. There is not much intrinsic upside to taking the atheist label in the USA. Your life will be much much easier if you drift with the big school of fish. To me it's about thinking and be honest. Being honest may not get you the most friends, but it gets you the best ones. I totally agree with you about there is no social upside to being an atheist. Old friends and family usually don't have much to do with you and if they do, you no longer speak the same language. So no, it's not an asset in life to be an atheist. But you can't help what you have come to know to be true. Once you look clearly at the reasons for religion and belief in religion you recognize that all that crumbles when light is shone on it (research). It would be much easier for me if I just drifted along with my Baptist family.
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Post by kencoolidge on Apr 16, 2014 5:27:21 GMT -5
Maybe it's because your definition of negative is the same as the others in your group so you might not recognize 'negative' as being negative? it would be hard not to see negative comments if they rear thier ugly head... Wally Its difficult to recognize if your thoughts are the same. ken
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Post by arwen89 on Apr 16, 2014 8:43:27 GMT -5
The pro-meeting system facebook groups are Saints and Servants and Youth 323. The group for ex-professing folks and openminded professing folks include Professing Open Air and The Secret world of Truth. The lady on saints and servants was complaining about the bitter people on "the secret world of Truth". The Secret world of Truth is TMB without anonymity. There is also another pro-meeting fb page called Professing Friends. Someone was "in tears" on there yesterday about those who have "lost out." I'd like to disagree with you about Professing Open Air- it has taken more of a pro-meeting stance recently and I would get berated for saying anything against about the 2x2s, meetings, workers, etc. ☆Arwen☆
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