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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2014 7:28:08 GMT -5
If I had said the next step in the gay movement is gay bondage stamps people would have said I am extreme and exaggerating - as always happens. But Finland is introducing just that. But frankly - I didn't think to ever see this. Guess I am behind the times. America is a bit more conservative so it might take a while before we see USA stamps, or US currency, with such graphic imagery. News of this stuff goes all over the Islamic world. Tomorrow they have The Bomb. www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2014/04/14/finland_s_graphic_gay_bondage_stamps_are_amazing.html
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2014 11:26:13 GMT -5
ugh...
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Post by lilwolfmisty on Apr 14, 2014 15:59:20 GMT -5
well the only thing people can do if they don't like it is not buy it and not create a market for it by drawing attention to negative things we get negative results so go buy a whole bunch of puppy, kitty, flowery love stamps to counteract any of these..or would you like it if it showed man/woman bondage would that be ok??? like fifty shades?
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Post by xna on Apr 14, 2014 16:12:17 GMT -5
well the only thing people can do if they don't like it is not buy it and not create a market for it by drawing attention to negative things we get negative results so go buy a whole bunch of puppy, kitty, flowery love stamps to counteract any of these..or would you like it if it showed man/woman bondage would that be ok??? like fifty shades?
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Post by gecko45 on Apr 14, 2014 17:01:55 GMT -5
How does one come across such info?
What are you putting into your Google searches?
What mailing list have you signed up for?
I can't be to self righteous though, a friend of mine tricked me into seeing "lemon party".
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Post by snow on Apr 14, 2014 17:25:18 GMT -5
How does one come across such info? What are you putting into your Google searches? What mailing list have you signed up for? I can't be to self righteous though, a friend of mine tricked me into seeing "lemon party". lol that was my first thought too. Where does he find this stuff. What would you need to be looking for to come up with it in the first place. Ah well. Sideways is a tunnel.
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Post by Gene on Apr 14, 2014 17:58:50 GMT -5
Lol!
"The stamps are self-adhesive and therefore require no licking."
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2014 18:06:19 GMT -5
Quote - " How does one come across such info? What are you putting into your Google searches? What mailing list have you signed up for?"I got this article from my favorite slate.com
(as you can see from the URL.)
It's a mainstream online newspaper. First ownned by Microsoft and now, I think, it belongs to the New York times group.
A bit liberal, but very very intelligent. It covers the most amazing subjects.
Incidentally I didn't post this as a GAY ISSUE, I meant it as a SEXUAL MORALITY ISSUE.
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 14, 2014 18:09:26 GMT -5
If I had said the next step in the gay movement is gay bondage stamps people would have said I am extreme and exaggerating - as always happens. But Finland is introducing just that. But frankly - I didn't think to ever see this. Guess I am behind the times. America is a bit more conservative so it might take a while before we see USA stamps, or US currency, with such graphic imagery. News of this stuff goes all over the Islamic world. Tomorrow they have The Bomb. www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2014/04/14/finland_s_graphic_gay_bondage_stamps_are_amazing.htmlDon't knock it until you've tried it. But anyway -- is that all there is to bondage?
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 14, 2014 18:10:32 GMT -5
Quote - " How does one come across such info? What are you putting into your Google searches? What mailing list have you signed up for?"I got this article from slate.com
as you should see from the URL.
It's a mainstream online newspaper. First ownned by Microsoft and now, I think, it belongs to the New York times.
Incidentally I didn't post this as a GAY ISSUE, I meant it as a SEXUAL MORALITY ISSUE.I'm relieved -- you're just a sexual prude. First I though maybe you were anti-gay.
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Post by Gene on Apr 14, 2014 18:10:43 GMT -5
Quote - " How does one come across such info? What are you putting into your Google searches? What mailing list have you signed up for?"I got this article from slate.com
as you should see from the URL.
It's a mainstream online newspaper. First ownned by Microsoft and now, I think, it belongs to the New York times.
Incidentally I didn't post this as a GAY ISSUE, I meant it as a SEXUAL MORALITY ISSUE.I could have sworn the first word in the thread title was "Gay" when I first saw it!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2014 18:14:10 GMT -5
Wow... I hadn't even finished the post and there's two quotes already. Yes, first word is "gay" and last three are "sexual morality issue."
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Post by Gene on Apr 14, 2014 18:16:32 GMT -5
Wow... I hadn't even finished the post and there's two quotes already. Yes, first word is "gay" and last three are "sexual morality issue." No, it still looks like the first word is "gay" and the last two are "bondage stamps."
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Post by Gene on Apr 14, 2014 18:19:34 GMT -5
If I had said the next step in the gay movement is gay bondage stamps people would have said I am extreme and exaggerating - as always happens. But Finland is introducing just that. But frankly - I didn't think to ever see this. Guess I am behind the times. America is a bit more conservative so it might take a while before we see USA stamps, or US currency, with such graphic imagery. News of this stuff goes all over the Islamic world. Tomorrow they have The Bomb. www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2014/04/14/finland_s_graphic_gay_bondage_stamps_are_amazing.htmlDon't knock it until you've tried it. But anyway -- is that all there is to bondage? No, Bob, that's not all there is to bondage. I have a few Tom of Finland books from the German publisher Taschen in my lending library which are much more... educational..., but they're out on loan right now -- some anonymous Australian with a P.O. Box.
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 14, 2014 18:38:02 GMT -5
I don't get it,- what is this picture mean?
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Post by xna on Apr 14, 2014 19:14:58 GMT -5
I don't get it,- what is this picture mean? When I read the title "Gay Bondage Stamp" in a "religion forum", I was reminded that when I see a Jew doing the "laying of tefillin", to me it looks like a "Gay Bondage" thing. It probably would show up on my Rorschach test from too much time listening to the Dan Savage's podcast, I guess. :-). Born straight, XNA
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 14, 2014 20:17:51 GMT -5
Ever thought of converting?
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Post by xna on Apr 14, 2014 20:25:53 GMT -5
Ever thought of converting? I suspect a straight to gay, or gay to straight conversion would have the same success rate. :-)
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 14, 2014 20:31:04 GMT -5
Ever thought of converting? I suspect a straight to gay, or gay to straight conversion would have the same success rate. :-) You must have thought about it, then.
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Post by whyisitso on Apr 14, 2014 20:34:42 GMT -5
Sheesh. Who'd have thought I'd need to come on TMB to a thread started by Bert to see such things.... Get yourself a TV Bert, they have much more appropriate stuff - except maybe on SBS.... Or doesn't your church believe in tv's? Oh well, back to google then - if the workers have internet it must be ok.
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Post by xna on Apr 14, 2014 21:23:39 GMT -5
I suspect a straight to gay, or gay to straight conversion would have the same success rate. :-) You must have thought about it, then. Well indeed I have! In my local humanist group we have a booth at the local gay pride day. Its interesting to talk openly and honestly to people who are gay. I have repulsion to homosexual sex, and discovered many homosexuals have a repulsion to heterosexual sex! Each persuasion has their kinks, and degrees of sexuality. Because of getting to know them I no longer exclude someone as a possible friend because of their sexual persuasion, as I have come to understand it's not a choice. For Christmas we are invited to a lesbian couples party. We are one of the few straight couples invited. A close friend of mine is openly gay. If I were still in the 2x2's I would have missed out on making these good friends - "because the bible told me so".
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 14, 2014 22:03:59 GMT -5
You must have thought about it, then. Well indeed I have! In my local humanist group we have a booth at the local gay pride day. Its interesting to talk openly and honestly to people who are gay. I have repulsion to homosexual sex, and discovered many homosexuals have a repulsion to heterosexual sex! Each persuasion has their kinks, and degrees of sexuality. Because of getting to know them I no longer exclude someone as a possible friend because of their sexual persuasion, as I have come to understand it's not a choice. For Christmas we are invited to a lesbian couples party. We are one of the few straight couples invited. A close friend of mine is openly gay. If I were still in the 2x2's I would have missed out on making these good friends - "because the bible told me so". We have a couple of gay weddings promised in our family. Can't wait.
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 14, 2014 23:11:12 GMT -5
I don't get it,- what is this picture mean? When I read the title "Gay"laying of tefillin",Stamp" in a "religion forum", I was reminded that when I see a Jew doing the "laying of tefillin", to me it looks like a "Gay Bondage" thing. It probably would show up on my Rorschach test from too much time listening to the Dan Savage's podcast, I guess. :-). Born straight, XNA "laying of tefillin",
Ah, I thought that I recognized that!
Perhaps "laying of tefillin", IS a bondage thing. They certainly are tied up!
God was supposed to have taken the Israelites OUT of the bondage from Egypt; then just turned around and made them in bondage to Himself!
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Post by irvinegrey on Apr 17, 2014 7:25:48 GMT -5
If we have any hope of turning the tide against sin then the answer lies in what was told to the Children of Israel:
[14] if my people who are called by my name humble themselves, and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and heal their land. [15] Now my eyes will be open and my ears attentive to the prayer that is made in this place.
(2 Chronicles 7:14-15 ESV)
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Post by What Hat on Apr 18, 2014 10:21:35 GMT -5
I don't like this. I think we should be open to homo-erotic romantic displays that indicate a degree of modesty. The problem is that I send my kids to the post office to get the mail, and there's an envelope with a large commemorative stamp with bare buttocks and a male face peering out from underneath. An 8 year old kid is not ready for that conversation. This actually is not a hypothetical situation. Some years ago when our kids were young we were solicited through the mails for a Playboy magazine subscription by means of postcards of provocative half-dressed women, and I complained to the post office about it. I doubt it did much good. My attitudes are probably somewhat prudish on these matters though. I was in France or Switzerland with my teenage daughter browsing a variety store card rack of picture post cards featured a significant selection of naked models in provocative poses in among the pictures of the Eiffel tower and other attractions. Around here there are bylaws against the open display of such material. But what's wrong with a naked body in the general sense of it? So in that case, the incident went by unremarked. My most general concern is that children are sexualized far too young in our present day society. The result of it is young women struggling with their body image and dress, self-cutting, poor self image, bullying, eating disorders and suicide. All that from a naked postage stamp? Not sure, but I don't like where the general tide is going, and I don't have any good answers.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2014 10:39:15 GMT -5
I don't know what "sexualizing children" means, but there may be a conundrum here. If "sexualizing children" includes informing and educating them of sexual issues at a young age and that is considered bad, then parents will be completely tied up in protecting their children from attacks from sexual predators. Children's knowledge is the best (but not the only) line of defence in their own protection from sexual attacks.
Personally, I'm glad our kids were well informed at the pre-school age and as parents we can't take most of the credit for that. I believe that knowledge saved my daughter from a potential attack later at age 9. It was a young trusted relative making an approach and she knew what to do.
I don't like the stamps either, but they do present the opportunity for a "teaching moment" with your children.
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Post by What Hat on Apr 18, 2014 11:10:35 GMT -5
I don't know what "sexualizing children" means, but there may be a conundrum here. If "sexualizing children" includes informing and educating them of sexual issues at a young age and that is considered bad, then parents will be completely tied up in protecting their children from attacks from sexual predators. Children's knowledge is the best (but not the only) line of defence in their own protection from sexual attacks. Personally, I'm glad our kids were well informed at the pre-school age and as parents we can't take most of the credit for that. I believe that knowledge saved my daughter from a potential attack later at age 9. It was a young trusted relative making an approach and she knew what to do. I don't like the stamps either, but they do present the opportunity for a "teaching moment" with your children. Anything that intrudes into a child's innocence, let's say, can be taken as a 'teaching moment' so I'm not concerned with one stamp, in that sense. "Sexualizing children" means leading them to behave in a sexual manner in terms of dress, dance and their behaviour in general. I think it's best if children can be innocent of having to behave in a sexually self-aware manner until puberty, at least. Unless you raise your children within a conservative sub-culture I don't believe it's possible for children to have an innocent childhood in today's world.
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Post by What Hat on Apr 18, 2014 11:12:23 GMT -5
A better definition of sexualization ...
Sexualization consists of an instrumental approach to a person by perceiving that person as an object for sexual use disregarding the person's dignity and personality traits, with the person's worth being measured in terms of the level of sexual attractiveness; sexualization also involves the imposition of the sexuality of adult persons on girls, who are emotionally, psychologically and physically unprepared for this at their particular stage of development; sexualization[note 1] not being the normal, healthy, biological development of the sexuality of a person, conditioned by the individual process of development and taking place at the appropriate time for each particular individual.[14] Reporter: Joanna Skrzydlewska, Member of the European Parliament
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