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Post by embers on Apr 10, 2014 17:52:37 GMT -5
Faune, I can see how a Catholic (or a Friend, or any Christian for that matter) could be swayed into New Age (or Spiritist) thinking by learning about NDEs. If one takes NDEs literally, and believes that they are real experiences, then one has to come to the conclusion that everyone is able to go to the light, and not just Christians. I've already begun to look into this more, and to me NDEs are (thus far) pretty convincing. I don't think most of these people are making this stuff up. And the fact that they are under anesthesia makes the whole NDE thing more convincing to me. I've always had an interest in this subject for a particular reason. Now, I'm at the point in my life where I'm not afraid to look at something that may challenge my Christian beliefs.
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Post by faune on Apr 10, 2014 20:00:48 GMT -5
Faune, I can see how a Catholic (or a Friend, or any Christian for that matter) could be swayed into New Age (or Spiritist) thinking by learning about NDEs. If one takes NDEs literally, and believes that they are real experiences, then one has to come to the conclusion that everyone is able to go to the light, and not just Christians. I've already begun to look into this more, and to me NDEs are (thus far) pretty convincing. I don't think most of these people are making this stuff up. And the fact that they are under anesthesia makes the whole NDE thing more convincing to me. I've always had an interest in this subject for a particular reason. Now, I'm at the point in my life where I'm not afraid to look at something that may challenge my Christian beliefs. Well, at Nanci Danison's site you will find a number of different NDE's from people from all walks of life and every one of them is unique in its own way ~ no two are the same! Nanci brings this point out in the video I posted earlier entitled, "The Ripple Effect." However, due to her medical training and studies in the past, she seemed to have had the "gift of memory" as an after-affect from this experience? I had the same surgery she had done and described in her video and know how easy it can be for anybody to pass out. It's a grueling experience and hard on your nerves, especially when they don't get the needle in right the first time around and have to go back and do it again. I also experienced that reality, but somehow managed to stay conscience. However, people pass out from this procedure a lot ~ that's nothing new. I was fortunate that my condition wasn't cancerous after surgery was done, but Nanci's condition was the result of cancer in her body. At the website below, you will find her extraordinary story in an interview along with many others whose names you recognized, if you have been reading up on NDE's lately.
ndestories.org/nanci-danison/ (Nanci Danison ~ NDE Stories, Videos & More)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=iezgq2bNbJU (Nanci Danison ~ The Ripple Effect After an NDE)
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 10, 2014 20:08:53 GMT -5
I wonder how many of you have read any of Dr. Moody's book in the past? He has written a few books dealing with his findings from research he had conducted into the afterlife in the form of different Near Death Experiences (NDE's). I found his bestseller, "Life After Life," a fascinating read some years ago when it sold over 13 millions copies. He came out with another book after this one that I was not aware of until today entitled, "Glimpses into Eternity," which I just ordered on Amazon.com. This is a follow-up to his earlier book, which deals with "glimpses" that people get into the afterlife on their deathbed just before they do die. The earlier book dealt with those who had clinically died and came back to life and shared their NDE's with posterity regarding wisdom gained. Here's a look into Table of Contents of this book along with a brief Introduction at this site: I thought that we had talked this subject of near-death experiences to death, already! (pardon the pun)
Why are people so interested and keep fixating on some kind of life after death?
Is this life not enough for them?
We've also talked about Dr. Raymond Moody before.
Before anyone believes Moody's books and ideas are worth exploring, it might be worth noting some information about him. from wiki
Theater of the Mind is a research institute in Alabama that was founded by Moody as a place where people can experience an altered state of consciousness with the intention of invoking apparitions of the dead.
One of the methods used to obtain this altered state is crystallomancy, or "mirror gazing".
Moody has also researched past life regression and believes that he personally has had nine past lives.
Scientists have written Moody's alleged evidence for an afterlife is flawed, logically and empirically.
His methods have drawn criticism from the scientific community as many of the personal reports he collected on near-death experiences were given by the patients themselves, months and even years after the event. Terence Hines commented "such reports are hardly sufficient to argue for the reality of an afterlife."[10]
Paul Kurtz has written Moody's evidence for the NDE is based on personal interviews and anecdotal accounts and there has been no statistical analyses of his data.
According to Kurtz "there is no reliable evidence that people who report such experiences have died and returned, or that consciousness exists separate from the brain or body."
Robert Todd Carroll has written that a characteristic of Moody's work is the omission of cases that do not fit his hypothesis. Carroll writes that what Moody describes as a typical NDE may be due to brain states triggered by cardiac arrest and anesthesia.
Moody believes NDEs are evidence for an afterlife but Carroll states they can be explained by neurochemistry and are the result of a "dying, demented or drugged brain.
So, there is the another part of the story!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2014 20:15:59 GMT -5
its that still small(that some never have or some lose) voice crying out in all the darkness that there is something more out there...
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Post by faune on Apr 10, 2014 20:26:04 GMT -5
I wonder how many of you have read any of Dr. Moody's book in the past? He has written a few books dealing with his findings from research he had conducted into the afterlife in the form of different Near Death Experiences (NDE's). I found his bestseller, "Life After Life," a fascinating read some years ago when it sold over 13 millions copies. He came out with another book after this one that I was not aware of until today entitled, "Glimpses into Eternity," which I just ordered on Amazon.com. This is a follow-up to his earlier book, which deals with "glimpses" that people get into the afterlife on their deathbed just before they do die. The earlier book dealt with those who had clinically died and came back to life and shared their NDE's with posterity regarding wisdom gained. Here's a look into Table of Contents of this book along with a brief Introduction at this site: I thought that we had talked this subject of near-death experiences to death, already! (pardon the pun)
Why are people so interested and keep fixating on some kind of life after death?
Is this life not enough for them?
We've also talked about Dr. Raymond Moody before.
Before anyone believes Moody's books and ideas are worth exploring, it might be worth noting some information about him. from wiki
Theater of the Mind is a research institute in Alabama that was founded by Moody as a place where people can experience an altered state of consciousness with the intention of invoking apparitions of the dead.
One of the methods used to obtain this altered state is crystallomancy, or "mirror gazing".
Moody has also researched past life regression and believes that he personally has had nine past lives.
Scientists have written Moody's alleged evidence for an afterlife is flawed, logically and empirically.
His methods have drawn criticism from the scientific community as many of the personal reports he collected on near-death experiences were given by the patients themselves, months and even years after the event. Terence Hines commented "such reports are hardly sufficient to argue for the reality of an afterlife."[10]
Paul Kurtz has written Moody's evidence for the NDE is based on personal interviews and anecdotal accounts and there has been no statistical analyses of his data.
According to Kurtz "there is no reliable evidence that people who report such experiences have died and returned, or that consciousness exists separate from the brain or body."
Robert Todd Carroll has written that a characteristic of Moody's work is the omission of cases that do not fit his hypothesis. Carroll writes that what Moody describes as a typical NDE may be due to brain states triggered by cardiac arrest and anesthesia.
Moody believes NDEs are evidence for an afterlife but Carroll states they can be explained by neurochemistry and are the result of a "dying, demented or drugged brain.
So, there is the another part of the story!
Dmmichgood ~ Moody's books are just one author's work regarding the subject of NDE's. There are plenty of other books on the same subject by different authors. In fact, I just posted the site of an author I have been reading over the past few months by the name of Nanci Danison. Her sites also has a number of different stories and videos of other NDE's besides her own, including John Piper who was considered clinically dead by paramedics due to a terrible car accident. He's the author of "90 Minutes in Heaven," by the way.
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 10, 2014 23:50:00 GMT -5
I thought that we had talked this subject of near-death experiences to death, already! (pardon the pun)
Why are people so interested and keep fixating on some kind of life after death?
Is this life not enough for them?
We've also talked about Dr. Raymond Moody before.
Before anyone believes Moody's books and ideas are worth exploring, it might be worth noting some information about him. from wiki
Theater of the Mind is a research institute in Alabama that was founded by Moody as a place where people can experience an altered state of consciousness with the intention of invoking apparitions of the dead.
One of the methods used to obtain this altered state is crystallomancy, or "mirror gazing".
Moody has also researched past life regression and believes that he personally has had nine past lives.
Scientists have written Moody's alleged evidence for an afterlife is flawed, logically and empirically.
His methods have drawn criticism from the scientific community as many of the personal reports he collected on near-death experiences were given by the patients themselves, months and even years after the event. Terence Hines commented "such reports are hardly sufficient to argue for the reality of an afterlife."[10]
Paul Kurtz has written Moody's evidence for the NDE is based on personal interviews and anecdotal accounts and there has been no statistical analyses of his data.
According to Kurtz "there is no reliable evidence that people who report such experiences have died and returned, or that consciousness exists separate from the brain or body."
Robert Todd Carroll has written that a characteristic of Moody's work is the omission of cases that do not fit his hypothesis. Carroll writes that what Moody describes as a typical NDE may be due to brain states triggered by cardiac arrest and anesthesia.
Moody believes NDEs are evidence for an afterlife but Carroll states they can be explained by neurochemistry and are the result of a "dying, demented or drugged brain.
So, there is the another part of the story!
Dmmichgood ~ Moody's books are just one author's work regarding the subject of NDE's. There are plenty of other books on the same subject by different authors. In fact, I just posted the site of an author I have been reading over the past few months by the name of Nanci Danison. Her sites also has a number of different stories and videos of other NDE's besides her own, including John Piper who was considered clinically dead by paramedics due to a terrible car accident. He's the author of "90 Minutes in Heaven," by the way. Yes, faune, I know there are other authors on the subject and we have discussed most of them.
My answer was about Dr. Ramond Moody books because that was the name of this thread: "Glimpses Into Eternity by Dr. Ramond Moody, M.D."
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Post by faune on Apr 11, 2014 7:00:41 GMT -5
Dmmichgood ~ I realize the thread is about Raymond Moody's last book on NDE's. However, I have seen a number of these video interviews with people who have experienced NDE's and I'm not convinced there's nothing to it. In fact, it's more the other way around! These people come back to life with a whole new perspective and goal in life and new talents they didn't possess before. Some have come back healed from a terminal disease, like Anita Moorjani. The NDE was a life changing event in the rest of their lives. If there wasn't anything to such events, than people would just write them off as some crazy dream from lack of oxygen to the brain and nothing more. That's not what we see in the accounts made public! Regardless what you think of Raymond Moody or his work, he was a pioneer in this field of NDE's and there have been others who have taken up the torch afterwards. In fact, I'm reading a book right now by Nanci Danison relating to her own NDE in the past and what she gleaned from that experience in new knowledge about the hereafter after death. She seemingly had the "gift of memories" as a result of her own NDE and recounts her experience in transitions back into the Source of the universe. Her NDE changed her whole perspective on life and death. In fact, she would resemble "New Thought" concepts found in New Age today, IMHO?
www.soullove.com/interview-with-anita-moorjani/ (Anita Moorjani's mysterious healing experience)
ndestories.org/anita-moorjani/ (Anita Moorjani's NDE)
ndestories.org/nanci-danison/ (NDE Stories, including Nanci Danison)
ndestories.org/nanci-danison/ (Nanci Danison talks about Creation)
ndestories.org/nanci-danison/ (Nanci Danison's Take Away from NDE ~ What Does God expect of Me?) *
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Post by faune on Apr 11, 2014 10:50:48 GMT -5
Since one out of five NDE's have hellish overtones, I would like to also present the "other side of the story" from this blog by Nancy Evans Bush. She wrote a book on research she gathered from over 10 years of investigating these dark NDE's, entitled "Dancing Past the Dark: Distressing Near-Death Experiences." This book deals with NDE's associated with hell, torment, and annihilation in comparison to the pleasant and heavenly ones filled with a feeling of peace, love, and splendor.
www.dancingpastthedark.com/about-ndes/ (About Distressing NDE's)
www.dancingpastthedark.com/home/ (Blog Home-page)
www.dancingpastthedark.com/about/ (About the Author)
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Post by faune on Apr 11, 2014 16:41:10 GMT -5
As a Christian and believer in God, I find this topic of NDE's pretty interesting to explore and have researched it for quite some time now. I even read a book on the topic a while back entitled, "The Big Book of Near Death Experiences" by P.M.H. Asweet thinger. It's a fascinating research study done on all types of NDE's for the curious seeker of information regarding this strange occurrence and I would recommend it to anybody seeking more information on this topic.
www.amazon.com/The-Big-Book-Near-Death-Experiences/dp/1571745475 (The Big Book of Near Death Experiences)
http://pmhasweet thinger.hypermart.net/
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P._M._H._Asweet thinger
P.S. ~ I am beginning to feel that TMB's Automatic Editor has it in for me according to the number of times I have reposted these links and the author's name was scrambled?
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Post by snow on Apr 11, 2014 17:48:19 GMT -5
As a Christian and believer in God, I find this topic of NDE's pretty interesting to explore and have researched it for quite some time now. I even read a book on the topic a while back entitled, "The Big Book of Near Death Experiences" by P.M.H. Asweet thinger. It's a fascinating research study done on all types of NDE's for the curious seeker of information regarding this strange occurrence and I would recommend it to anybody seeking more information on this topic.
www.amazon.com/The-Big-Book-Near-Death-Experiences/dp/1571745475 (The Big Book of Near Death Experiences)
http://pmhasweet thinger.hypermart.net/
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P._M._H._Asweet thinger
P.S. ~ I am beginning to feel that TMB's Automatic Editor has it in for me according to the number of times I have reposted these links and the author's name was scrambled?
Don't worry it does it for me too. For some reason it doesn't like A twater....
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 12, 2014 0:30:36 GMT -5
Dmmichgood ~ I realize the thread is about Raymond Moody's last book on NDE's. However, I have seen a number of these video interviews with people who have experienced NDE's and I'm not convinced there's nothing to it. In fact, it's more the other way around! These people come back to life with a whole new perspective and goal in life and new talents they didn't possess before. Some have come back healed from a terminal disease, like Anita Moorjani. The NDE was a life changing event in the rest of their lives. If there wasn't anything to such events, than people would just write them off as some crazy dream from lack of oxygen to the brain and nothing more. That's not what we see in the accounts made public! Regardless what you think of Raymond Moody or his work, he was a pioneer in this field of NDE's and there have been others who have taken up the torch afterwards. In fact, I'm reading a book right now by Nanci Danison relating to her own NDE in the past and what she gleaned from that experience in new knowledge about the hereafter after death. She seemingly had the "gift of memories" as a result of her own NDE and recounts her experience in transitions back into the Source of the universe. Her NDE changed her whole perspective on life and death. In fact, she would resemble "New Thought" concepts found in New Age today, IMHO?
www.soullove.com/interview-with-anita-moorjani/ (Anita Moorjani's mysterious healing experience)
ndestories.org/anita-moorjani/ (Anita Moorjani's NDE)
ndestories.org/nanci-danison/ (NDE Stories, including Nanci Danison)
ndestories.org/nanci-danison/ (Nanci Danison talks about Creation)
ndestories.org/nanci-danison/ (Nanci Danison's Take Away from NDE ~ What Does God expect of Me?) *
I know, faune. I've been over the subject of NDE's before & presented the reasons that those experiences could have happened without any paranormal or supernatural reasons.
Naturally people often come back from ANY life changing experience with new perspective and goal in life! Yes, They even discover new talents they didn't realize that had before!
None of this indicates that they actually left their bodies and was on the way to some afterlife!
Many people want to believe that there is an afterlife to go to!
Thus they also want to believe in supernatural factor in these NDE's experiences.
I don't believe in either, -an afterlife or a supernatural factor, -so there isn't much of a reason for me to continue to explain all that which I have done previously.
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Post by xna on Apr 12, 2014 7:17:23 GMT -5
Dmmichgood ~ I realize the thread is about Raymond Moody's last book on NDE's. However, I have seen a number of these video interviews with people who have experienced NDE's and I'm not convinced there's nothing to it. In fact, it's more the other way around! These people come back to life with a whole new perspective and goal in life and new talents they didn't possess before. Some have come back healed from a terminal disease, like Anita Moorjani. The NDE was a life changing event in the rest of their lives. If there wasn't anything to such events, than people would just write them off as some crazy dream from lack of oxygen to the brain and nothing more. That's not what we see in the accounts made public! Regardless what you think of Raymond Moody or his work, he was a pioneer in this field of NDE's and there have been others who have taken up the torch afterwards. In fact, I'm reading a book right now by Nanci Danison relating to her own NDE in the past and what she gleaned from that experience in new knowledge about the hereafter after death. She seemingly had the "gift of memories" as a result of her own NDE and recounts her experience in transitions back into the Source of the universe. Her NDE changed her whole perspective on life and death. In fact, she would resemble "New Thought" concepts found in New Age today, IMHO?
www.soullove.com/interview-with-anita-moorjani/ (Anita Moorjani's mysterious healing experience)
ndestories.org/anita-moorjani/ (Anita Moorjani's NDE)
ndestories.org/nanci-danison/ (NDE Stories, including Nanci Danison)
ndestories.org/nanci-danison/ (Nanci Danison talks about Creation)
ndestories.org/nanci-danison/ (Nanci Danison's Take Away from NDE ~ What Does God expect of Me?) *
I know, faune. I've been over the subject of NDE's before & presented the reasons that those experiences could have happened without any paranormal or supernatural reasons.
Naturally people often come back from ANY life changing experience with new perspective and goal in life! Yes, They even discover new talents they didn't realize that had before!
None of this indicates that they actually left their bodies and was on the way to some afterlife!
Many people want to believe that there is an afterlife to go to!
Thus they also want to believe in supernatural factor in these NDE's experiences.
I don't believe in either, -an afterlife or a supernatural factor, -so there isn't much of a reason for me to continue to explain all that which I have done previously.
A case against NDE reports is the afterlife reports are of their own religion not another another's. Christians see Christian heaven or hell not what a Tibetan Buddhist would see.
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Post by rational on Apr 12, 2014 7:30:50 GMT -5
Dmmichgood ~ I realize the thread is about Raymond Moody's last book on NDE's. However, I have seen a number of these video interviews with people who have experienced NDE's and I'm not convinced there's nothing to it.
Do you have any objective data regarding these 'experiences'?Many do.What a surprise. People understand the reason and don't bother to write about them.The interesting thing is that you believe the story without verification.
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Post by faune on Apr 12, 2014 10:33:25 GMT -5
Rational ~ Christians have been known to believe a lot of things found within the Bible without verification, too, so I would guess I don't stand alone in this area? However, I'm very much aware of how a person's beliefs before their NDE may become intertwined within their visual experience. That's one point that Dr. Asweet thinger brings out in her years of research involving NDE's.
However, you choose not to believe in God or any supernatural beings, so you would naturally pick and choose things that support your beliefs as well? Also, not everything can be verified with scientific data in the realm of the mind or the supernatural. We fool ourselves if we think this is possible, IMHO? That's one reason why I choose to entertain the thought that there may be some reality of an afterlife in some of the glimpses into eternity that these people received ~ including children, who have no ax to grind. Such experiences does make us consider more seriously the reality of a "soul" within mankind which is the "real you or me," which returns to its Creator when this life is done? Nanci Danison brings this thought to life within her books, which also goes into more detail about what transpires than some other books I have read on this subject. What surprises me about her account is that she was raised Roman Catholic and attended a Catholic high school and college. However, somewhere along the line perhaps she became taken up with New Age beliefs, which entered into her visions of an afterlife? So much of the language she uses in her books gives me this impression of someone who had a change in their beliefs from traditional Christianity. I don't know this to be a fact, I just speculate it to be a possibility, by the way. However, this subject of NDE's I do find fascinating to explore for the mystery of it all.
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Post by faune on Apr 12, 2014 10:51:12 GMT -5
Faune, I can see how a Catholic (or a Friend, or any Christian for that matter) could be swayed into New Age (or Spiritist) thinking by learning about NDEs. If one takes NDEs literally, and believes that they are real experiences, then one has to come to the conclusion that everyone is able to go to the light, and not just Christians. I've already begun to look into this more, and to me NDEs are (thus far) pretty convincing. I don't think most of these people are making this stuff up. And the fact that they are under anesthesia makes the whole NDE thing more convincing to me. I've always had an interest in this subject for a particular reason. Now, I'm at the point in my life where I'm not afraid to look at something that may challenge my Christian beliefs. Embers ~ I can understand your fascination with NDE's and I share in some of your own conclusions. I also don't think most of these people are making this stuff up to sell books, although some have become well known authors on this subject matter. I just happen to think there is something to this concept of a "soul" or eternal spark within every human being that resonances with eternity, as Ecclesiastes 3:11 indicates from that Old Testament book in the Bible.
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Post by faune on Apr 12, 2014 14:24:11 GMT -5
For some reason, it seems that Christianity is often linked with NDE's, however, the fact is that people from all different religions and the irreligious also have had NDE's which show some similarities when examined. This is also something that has caught my attention as I have studied on this subject off and on for some time.
BTW, there are also different perspectives regarding Christianity itself that I feel these areas are well addressed within Jeffrey Burton Russell's book, "Exposing Myths About Christianity ~ A Guide to Answering 145 Viral Lies and Legends." Below is the link to the Table of Contents pertaining to this particular answer book that some Christians might find worth exploring for answers to their own questions and others who don't share their belief in a Creator God. By hitting on the different links with the Table of Contents, you may find some answers to your own particular questions regarding this subject, too?
www.amazon.com/dp/0830834664/ref=pe_385040_30332200_pe_309540_26725410_item_image#reader_0830834664
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 12, 2014 14:25:57 GMT -5
Faune, I can see how a Catholic (or a Friend, or any Christian for that matter) could be swayed into New Age (or Spiritist) thinking by learning about NDEs. If one takes NDEs literally, and believes that they are real experiences, then one has to come to the conclusion that everyone is able to go to the light, and not just Christians. I've already begun to look into this more, and to me NDEs are (thus far) pretty convincing. I don't think most of these people are making this stuff up. And the fact that they are under anesthesia makes the whole NDE thing more convincing to me. I've always had an interest in this subject for a particular reason. Now, I'm at the point in my life where I'm not afraid to look at something that may challenge my Christian beliefs. As I've said before, neither do I think most of these people are "making this stuff up." They are real experiences, however, experiences of the brain and not any supernatural .
Where do you find any facts that they are under anesthesia?
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Post by faune on Apr 12, 2014 14:40:46 GMT -5
Faune, I can see how a Catholic (or a Friend, or any Christian for that matter) could be swayed into New Age (or Spiritist) thinking by learning about NDEs. If one takes NDEs literally, and believes that they are real experiences, then one has to come to the conclusion that everyone is able to go to the light, and not just Christians. I've already begun to look into this more, and to me NDEs are (thus far) pretty convincing. I don't think most of these people are making this stuff up. And the fact that they are under anesthesia makes the whole NDE thing more convincing to me. I've always had an interest in this subject for a particular reason. Now, I'm at the point in my life where I'm not afraid to look at something that may challenge my Christian beliefs. As I've said before, neither do I think most of these people are "making this stuff up." They are real experiences, however, experiences of the brain and not any supernatural .
Where do you find any facts that they are under anesthesia?
Dmmichgood ~ You have a right to your opinion and Embers and myself also have a right to ours in this area of NDE's. However, in the case of Nanci Danison, whose books I'm presently reading, she was only under a local anesthetic and nothing that would put you into some "bonkers realm" in a dreamlike state. She simply passed out from nerves most likely and for a number of minutes went into some spiritual realm of the mind perhaps? I had the same type of surgery done last year, so I'm familiar with the routine before excision in the operating room. Fortunately for me, my condition was cancerous after all from the final exam of the biopsy. I'm not sure how to interpret Nanci Danison's own NDE myself either?
However, the NDE by Anita Moorjani comes across to me as very real and a possibility. I believe even Snow would agree with me on that one, since she has read her book and commented on her NDE in the past? Anita Moorjani was terminally ill and in her 4th stage of cancer when this occurred. She was also given up for having only a short time to live by her doctors. After her NDE, the doctors were amazed at her miraculous recovery with no signs of the cancer appearing anymore within her body. This was indeed a miracle within our time, regardless what you might think about it from an atheist's perspective, IMO? There is also medical evidence to back up her cancerous condition as well as her cured condition, so that's just one mystery that surrounds NDE's, in my opinion. Hopefully, this conveys my own thoughts better and the reason for my curiosity along these lines?
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 12, 2014 15:09:05 GMT -5
As a Christian and believer in God, I find this topic of NDE's pretty interesting to explore and have researched it for quite some time now. I even read a book on the topic a while back entitled, "The Big Book of Near Death Experiences" by P.M.H. Asweet thinger. It's a fascinating research study done on all types of NDE's for the curious seeker of information regarding this strange occurrence and I would recommend it to anybody seeking more information on this topic.
P.M.H. Asweet thinger knows something alright.
She knows the psychology of the the mind, the way a person or a group thinks that causes a lot of people to want to believe in something beyond this life.
She knows what makes books sell!
She has at least five books for sell.
I wouldn't mind having her income; however, I wouldn't want to make that kind of money at the cost of my credibility and integrity.
PS: Note that Asweet thinger's PH.D is honorary
P.M.H.Asweet thinger, L.H.D., Ph.D. (Hon.)
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 12, 2014 15:19:59 GMT -5
As I've said before, neither do I think most of these people are "making this stuff up." They are real experiences, however, experiences of the brain and not any supernatural .
Where do you find any facts that they are under anesthesia?
Dmmichgood ~ You have a right to your opinion and Embers and myself also have a right to ours in this area of NDE's. However, in the case of Nanci Danison, whose books I'm presently reading, she was only under a local anesthetic and nothing that would put you into some "bonkers realm" in a dreamlike state. She simply passed out from nerves most likely and for a number of minutes went into some spiritual realm of the mind perhaps? I had the same type of surgery done last year, so I'm familiar with the routine before excision in the operating room. Fortunately for me, my condition was cancerous after all from the final exam of the biopsy. I'm not sure how to interpret Nanci Danison's own NDE myself either?
However, the NDE by Anita Moorjani comes across to me as very real and a possibility. I believe even Snow would agree with me on that one, since she has read her book and commented on her NDE in the past? Anita Moorjani was terminally ill and in her 4th stage of cancer when this occurred. She was also given up for having only a short time to live by her doctors. After her NDE, the doctors were amazed at her miraculous recovery with no signs of the cancer appearing anymore within her body. This was indeed a miracle within our time, regardless what you might think about it from an atheist's perspective, IMO? There is also medical evidence to back up her cancerous condition as well as her cured condition, so that's just one mystery that surrounds NDE's, in my opinion. Hopefully, this conveys my own thoughts better and the reason for my curiosity along these lines?
Thanks for answering my question about anesthesia.So, it was just a local anesthetic. Faune, where have I EVER said that you and Embers (or anyone else) DOESN'T have a right to an your opinion in this area of NDE's, or anything else?
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 12, 2014 15:28:18 GMT -5
It is strange that no matter how one tries to clear up the spelling of Asweet thinger it still comes out completely misspelled!
Let's see how it does this time.
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 12, 2014 15:30:33 GMT -5
It is strange that no matter how one tries to clear up the spelling of At-w-a-t-er it still comes out completely misspelled!
Let's see how it does this time. Thanks, Gene! That cleared it up!
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Post by faune on Apr 12, 2014 15:35:22 GMT -5
Dmmichgood ~ You have a right to your opinion and Embers and myself also have a right to ours in this area of NDE's. However, in the case of Nanci Danison, whose books I'm presently reading, she was only under a local anesthetic and nothing that would put you into some "bonkers realm" in a dreamlike state. She simply passed out from nerves most likely and for a number of minutes went into some spiritual realm of the mind perhaps? I had the same type of surgery done last year, so I'm familiar with the routine before excision in the operating room. Fortunately for me, my condition was cancerous after all from the final exam of the biopsy. I'm not sure how to interpret Nanci Danison's own NDE myself either?
However, the NDE by Anita Moorjani comes across to me as very real and a possibility. I believe even Snow would agree with me on that one, since she has read her book and commented on her NDE in the past? Anita Moorjani was terminally ill and in her 4th stage of cancer when this occurred. She was also given up for having only a short time to live by her doctors. After her NDE, the doctors were amazed at her miraculous recovery with no signs of the cancer appearing anymore within her body. This was indeed a miracle within our time, regardless what you might think about it from an atheist's perspective, IMO? There is also medical evidence to back up her cancerous condition as well as her cured condition, so that's just one mystery that surrounds NDE's, in my opinion. Hopefully, this conveys my own thoughts better and the reason for my curiosity along these lines?
Thanks for answering my question about anesthesia.So, it was just a local anesthetic. Faune, where have I EVER said that you and Embers (or anyone else) DOESN'T have a right to an your opinion in this area of NDE's, or anything else?
Dmmichgood ~ From the sound of your previous posts, it seemed like you had grown weary of hearing about NDE's and wondered why I keep bringing this subject up again? Am I wrong in this assumption? I'm sorry if my words came across critical in anyway. I simply meant to convey that Embers and I may disagree with your opinion at present, as we are both exploring the subject of NDE's and have not come to any concrete opinion about them. I don't doubt that Dr. Asweet thinger and others have made quite a lot of money selling their books from research which they have done on NDE's. However, people make money on books sales from simple entertainment ~ like science fiction and romance novels, which do nothing but entertain the reader with a fantasy story. This researcher had done over 10 years of research before even publishing her works. Another author who has done extensive research along similar lines regarding hellish and tormenting NDE's is Nancy Evans Bush, whose book I discussed earlier, too. Both of these writers only present what they have found from investigative study and don't try to influence you either way in your opinion on NDE's except to inform. I feel both books are well written and can be helpful in understanding more about these unique experiences and the "ripple effects" that follow after?
However, your criticism is fairly noted and I appreciated you submitting it to this discussion for comparison purposes. That's what makes for a good discussion and I'm thankful for your input! I'm still not made up my mind either way regarding NDE's, so I'm in a "limbo state" in my present views.
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Post by faune on Apr 12, 2014 15:36:20 GMT -5
Dmmichgood ~ You have a right to your opinion and Embers and myself also have a right to ours in this area of NDE's. However, in the case of Nanci Danison, whose books I'm presently reading, she was only under a local anesthetic and nothing that would put you into some "bonkers realm" in a dreamlike state. She simply passed out from nerves most likely and for a number of minutes went into some spiritual realm of the mind perhaps? I had the same type of surgery done last year, so I'm familiar with the routine before excision in the operating room. Fortunately for me, my condition was cancerous after all from the final exam of the biopsy. I'm not sure how to interpret Nanci Danison's own NDE myself either?
However, the NDE by Anita Moorjani comes across to me as very real and a possibility. I believe even Snow would agree with me on that one, since she has read her book and commented on her NDE in the past? Anita Moorjani was terminally ill and in her 4th stage of cancer when this occurred. She was also given up for having only a short time to live by her doctors. After her NDE, the doctors were amazed at her miraculous recovery with no signs of the cancer appearing anymore within her body. This was indeed a miracle within our time, regardless what you might think about it from an atheist's perspective, IMO? There is also medical evidence to back up her cancerous condition as well as her cured condition, so that's just one mystery that surrounds NDE's, in my opinion. Hopefully, this conveys my own thoughts better and the reason for my curiosity along these lines?
Thanks for answering my question about anesthesia.So, it was just a local anesthetic. Faune, where have I EVER said that you and Embers (or anyone else) DOESN'T have a right to an your opinion in this area of NDE's, or anything else?
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Post by Gene on Apr 12, 2014 15:40:42 GMT -5
It is strange that no matter how one tries to clear up the spelling of Asweet thinger it still comes out completely misspelled!
Let's see how it does this time. It did it again!You have to put hyphens or dots or something between the letters that spell "t.w.a.t". So, At.w.a.ter
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 12, 2014 16:03:48 GMT -5
It did it again! You have to put hyphens or dots or something between the letters that spell "t.w.a.t". So, At.w.a.ter Thanks, gene!
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Post by snow on Apr 12, 2014 16:30:56 GMT -5
It is strange that no matter how one tries to clear up the spelling of Asweet thinger it still comes out completely misspelled!
Let's see how it does this time. LOL you just need to treat the name with respect. Poor P.M.H. A twater is going to forever be P.M.H. Asweet thinger on here!!
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Post by snow on Apr 12, 2014 16:37:15 GMT -5
faune, yes I do wonder more about Anita Moorjani's account of her NDE than any other's I have read. I tend to agree with DMG about it being the traumatized of stressed brain protecting itself. The thing about Anita is her Stage 4 cancer, we know she was very sick when she was hospitalized and there are pictures of her in the last days. There is also her account of knowing of conversations that were not within her hearing vicinity that haven't been adequately explained for me. Why this one out of all the ones I have studied makes me question, I'm not too sure. Mostly I believe it is some kind of comforting mechanism the brain does when traumatized. I have to say that I just don't know. Just like why I'm agnostic, I just don't know.
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