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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2014 18:40:16 GMT -5
And you believe it could have been without a single brain cell to plan it !
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Post by xna on Apr 18, 2014 18:55:01 GMT -5
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Post by xna on Apr 18, 2014 18:59:29 GMT -5
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Post by matisse on Apr 18, 2014 19:05:19 GMT -5
And you believe it could have been without a single brain cell to plan it ! Yes, I do.
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Post by Gene on Apr 18, 2014 20:19:20 GMT -5
I do understand there is a God by the evidence all around me ,there is other things that I don't understand because I am not God and would have done things different in my limited human understanding. Even with trillion of years of evolution of the brain ,it could not have existed without intelligence behind it nor could any other living thing for that matter.Take all of the human inventions and none has just came about without intelligence behind it ,how could you then ever say such a thing about much more complex living things as humans,animals and plants? There will be NO excuse for not believing in God because we can reason and the evidence of His existence is as clear as the dawns early ray's. Scientist only have theories but no concrete prove.What about the apes that are still around why aren't they evolving into humans ? Yes I know the scientist conveniently say's it takes millions of years but surely we should see some changes in the apes and what about the evolving human been ,we have a need to fly so why aren't we evolving some wings ?I was just concentrating on how conveniently I have 10 fingers witch makes my live so much easier then having one or two fingers.And I know what the scientist say ,with there theory I for-sure know they are crazy ,very nutty indeed.So why don't the other animals evolve some fingers to help them along like the ape! How is it you cannot believe that humans, animals, and plants could exist without having had a creator, but you can believe that God exists without having had a creator?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2014 20:27:42 GMT -5
i think we've been here before but i'll repeat it. it's easier to believe in an eternal God than an eternal singularity...
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Post by Gene on Apr 18, 2014 20:32:53 GMT -5
i think we've been here before but i'll repeat it. it's easier to believe in an eternal God than an eternal singularity... I'm sure that's easier. But it's more honest to be content with a mystery (for now) than to settle, out of desperation, for a make-believe, magical answer.
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Post by rational on Apr 18, 2014 20:37:16 GMT -5
I do understand there is a God by the evidence all around me I think you are probably selecting 'evidence' in a very biased way. An understanding of how these things have come to be takes study. The barrage of misinformation from many of the creationist sites makes it even more difficult to understand. The dawn's early rays do not require the existence of a paranormal being. Theories explain the known data and predict future data. The theory of gravity, for example, predicts what will happen if you step off the edge of a tall building. It is a theory but supported by data and an accurate prediction of events.This is misinformation directly from a creationist site (many have corrected this ignorant statement). No evolutionist has ever claimed that apes evolved into humans. We have seen changes in apes. And changes in man. Man will not be flying anytime soon - that was another branch on the evolutionary tree!5 digits per hand works out well. There are people who have 6 digits per hand. If that did give a huge survival advantage they would survive longer and have more offspring and eventually humans might all have 6 digits per hand. Right now 1 in 1,339 Caucasians and 1 in 143 Africans/African Americans have 6 digits per hand.Evolution does not happen to satisfy some need. Changes happen more or less at random and if a change is beneficial to an organism's survival it will more likely be passed on to more off spring and eventually become the normal trait. You might benefit from looking at Evolution 101The answer to your question:
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Post by rational on Apr 18, 2014 20:38:39 GMT -5
And you believe it could have been without a single brain cell to plan it ! The data at hand shows that the brains also evolved.
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Post by rational on Apr 18, 2014 20:44:21 GMT -5
i think we've been here before but i'll repeat it. it's easier to believe in an eternal God than an eternal singularity... Who proposed an eternal singularity? Most people do not base their understanding of things on the easiest explanation. God of the gaps will almost always be easiest.
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 18, 2014 20:48:40 GMT -5
That view, "that something good will eventually come out of that experience for those girls and that the perpetrator will eventually go to hell for his unrepented offense," is what is so repugnant to me and so ridiculous! It shows nothing more than an attempt to try and rationalize a situation solely because you want to believe in a superior being that is charge of what happens to people. It shows nothing but smoke and mirrors, for no other reason than you need to believe in god. Your premise of the eventual outcome helps neither the girls nor the perpetrator in this life and what good will it do in some far off supposed "after life?"! Christians have to twist themselves into a such a knot in an attempt to maintain their belief in a "loving God and a God of compassion." You are tilting at the wrong windmill today. Those aren't my views at all. It came from my post that started with "I suppose they see God......" that was an attempt to understand how people find comfort in their belief in God. Whatever, carry on.......at least I made an attempt to understand people. If those weren't your views, why did you post them as if they were?
So your post was just an attempt to "understand how people find comfort in their belief in God?"
My post was to show why people believe as they do!
Hardly "tilting at the wrong windmill."
Same subject and way too serious than to be just "tilting at the windmills."
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 18, 2014 20:52:39 GMT -5
And you believe it could have been without a single brain cell to plan it ! Yep!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2014 20:56:18 GMT -5
Theories explain the known data and predict future data. The theory of gravity, for example, predicts what will happen if you step off the edge of a tall building. It is a theory but supported by data and an accurate prediction of events. so if the theory of gravity is absolute and does not involve God, why haven't the planets been slowly absorbed by the sun?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2014 20:59:40 GMT -5
i think we've been here before but i'll repeat it. it's easier to believe in an eternal God than an eternal singularity... Who proposed an eternal singularity? Most people do not base their understanding of things on the easiest explanation. God of the gaps will almost always be easiest. some have postulated an eternal singularity in that the universe expands then collapses then expands and collapses again and again forever...
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 18, 2014 21:07:15 GMT -5
I do understand there is a God by the evidence all around me ,there is other things that I don't understand because I am not God and would have done things different in my limited human understanding. Even with trillion of years of evolution of the brain ,it could not have existed without intelligence behind it nor could any other living thing for that matter.Take all of the human inventions and none has just came about without intelligence behind it ,how could you then ever say such a thing about much more complex living things as humans,animals and plants? There will be NO excuse for not believing in God because we can reason and the evidence of His existence is as clear as the dawns early ray's. Scientist only have theories but no concrete prove.What about the apes that are still around why aren't they evolving into humans ? Yes I know the scientist conveniently say's it takes millions of years but surely we should see some changes in the apes and what about the evolving human been ,we have a need to fly so why aren't we evolving some wings ?I was just concentrating on how conveniently I have 10 fingers witch makes my live so much easier then having one or two fingers.And I know what the scientist say ,with there theory I for-sure know they are crazy ,very nutty indeed.So why don't the other animals evolve some fingers to help them along like the ape! Maybe you should check out what a Scientific Theory means.
So you already know what the scientist say with their theories and you know they are crazy ,very nutty.
Next time you need an antibiotic, don't pay any attention to those crazy , very nutty scientists!
Just refuse the antibiotics and go home and treat the infection yourself!
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Post by rational on Apr 18, 2014 21:17:07 GMT -5
Theories explain the known data and predict future data. The theory of gravity, for example, predicts what will happen if you step off the edge of a tall building. It is a theory but supported by data and an accurate prediction of events. so if the theory of gravity is absolute and does not involve God, why haven't the planets been slowly absorbed by the sun? Gravity is doing its best to keep the earth near the sun but the earth is slipping away by about 6 inches a year. One theory is that it might be due to the fact that the sun is losing mass. The fact that the theory of gravity is so absolute is what keeps all the planets orbiting rather than moving off through space as their momentum would dictate. Remember that gravity is not the only force in play.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2014 21:56:22 GMT -5
You are tilting at the wrong windmill today. Those aren't my views at all. It came from my post that started with "I suppose they see God......" that was an attempt to understand how people find comfort in their belief in God. Whatever, carry on.......at least I made an attempt to understand people. If those weren't your views, why did you post them as if they were?
So your post was just an attempt to "understand how people find comfort in their belief in God?"
My post was to show why people believe as they do!
Hardly "tilting at the wrong windmill."
Same subject and way too serious than to be just "tilting at the windmills."
This should have been your first clue: "I suppose they see God......"Yes, it is a windmill you are tilting at. People do find comfort in their faith in God. It's a real comfort that has been existed over centuries. It's not going away no matter how often you repeat how trite, stale, foolish, repugnant,ridiculous and illogical it is.......and that's just some of your colourful adjectives that have rendered your ideas impotent to most people. You are doing a great job convincing a lot of people to stick with their faith in God!
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Post by snow on Apr 18, 2014 23:29:03 GMT -5
I do understand there is a God by the evidence all around me ,there is other things that I don't understand because I am not God and would have done things different in my limited human understanding. Even with trillion of years of evolution of the brain ,it could not have existed without intelligence behind it nor could any other living thing for that matter.Take all of the human inventions and none has just came about without intelligence behind it ,how could you then ever say such a thing about much more complex living things as humans,animals and plants? There will be NO excuse for not believing in God because we can reason and the evidence of His existence is as clear as the dawns early ray's. Scientist only have theories but no concrete prove.What about the apes that are still around why aren't they evolving into humans ? Yes I know the scientist conveniently say's it takes millions of years but surely we should see some changes in the apes and what about the evolving human been ,we have a need to fly so why aren't we evolving some wings ?I was just concentrating on how conveniently I have 10 fingers witch makes my live so much easier then having one or two fingers.And I know what the scientist say ,with there theory I for-sure know they are crazy ,very nutty indeed.So why don't the other animals evolve some fingers to help them along like the ape! If you think that is how evolution works, you may need to take some classes.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2014 8:49:55 GMT -5
I do understand there is a God by the evidence all around me ,there is other things that I don't understand because I am not God and would have done things different in my limited human understanding. Even with trillion of years of evolution of the brain ,it could not have existed without intelligence behind it nor could any other living thing for that matter.Take all of the human inventions and none has just came about without intelligence behind it ,how could you then ever say such a thing about much more complex living things as humans,animals and plants? There will be NO excuse for not believing in God because we can reason and the evidence of His existence is as clear as the dawns early ray's. Scientist only have theories but no concrete prove.What about the apes that are still around why aren't they evolving into humans ? Yes I know the scientist conveniently say's it takes millions of years but surely we should see some changes in the apes and what about the evolving human been ,we have a need to fly so why aren't we evolving some wings ?I was just concentrating on how conveniently I have 10 fingers witch makes my live so much easier then having one or two fingers.And I know what the scientist say ,with there theory I for-sure know they are crazy ,very nutty indeed.So why don't the other animals evolve some fingers to help them along like the ape! How is it you cannot believe that humans, animals, and plants could exist without having had a creator, but you can believe that God exists without having had a creator?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2014 8:55:41 GMT -5
For me it is ignorant due to all the EVIDENCE daily and nightly around me.The brain or any other living thing for that matter could NEVER have existed without intelligence behind it.Nothing so complicated can simply evolve into it's complexity. Not in a few thousand years. Can you wrap your head around millions of years? Billions of years? My only shot at conceptualizing billions of years is that it is apparently enough time for the world as we know it to evolve - one sustainable small leap at a time. man is a little grandiose about our intelligence and how far different we are from animals. As far as I can see we need water - food - air - warmth- sleep - sex well that about covers about 99.9%of what the animals and people spend most of their time doing to survive every day of our lives. If switching on a TV makes us geniuses over animals you don't have neighbours or Home and away. We use the earth as a disposable commodity which is very foolish as it supports us and nurtures us. I am sure it will come back to bite us. I watched a man who was going to commit suicide over the Niagra Falls. He got right to the edge and his foot got stuck he was standing in a torrent of water right on the edge nobody had got closer and lived he was glad he was rescued in the end. I just wonder if there is going to be anyone to pull us back when the earth is beyond fixing.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2014 9:03:25 GMT -5
Not in a few thousand years. Can you wrap your head around millions of years? Billions of years? My only shot at conceptualizing billions of years is that it is apparently enough time for the world as we know it to evolve - one sustainable small leap at a time. man is a little grandiose about our intelligence and how far different we are from animals. As far as I can see we need water - food - air - warmth- sleep - sex well that about covers about 99.9%of what the animals and people spend most of their time doing to survive every day of our lives. If switching on a TV makes us geniuses over animals you don't have neighbours or Home and away. We use the earth as a disposable commodity which is very foolish as it supports us and nurtures us. I am sure it will come back to bite us. I watched a man who was going to commit suicide over the Niagra Falls. He got right to the edge and his foot got stuck he was standing in a torrent of water right on the edge nobody had got closer and lived he was glad he was rescued in the end. I just wonder if there is going to be anyone to pull us back when the earth is beyond fixing.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2014 9:08:00 GMT -5
If you can't see what a huge difference there is between man and beast then you much be living some where in the jungle! How about taking a baby ape that is supposed to be so closely related to us when he is just born and bringing him/her up in a human house hold and then compare his development to a human baby ?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2014 9:10:58 GMT -5
I do understand there is a God by the evidence all around me ,there is other things that I don't understand because I am not God and would have done things different in my limited human understanding. Even with trillion of years of evolution of the brain ,it could not have existed without intelligence behind it nor could any other living thing for that matter.Take all of the human inventions and none has just came about without intelligence behind it ,how could you then ever say such a thing about much more complex living things as humans,animals and plants? There will be NO excuse for not believing in God because we can reason and the evidence of His existence is as clear as the dawns early ray's. Scientist only have theories but no concrete prove.What about the apes that are still around why aren't they evolving into humans ? Yes I know the scientist conveniently say's it takes millions of years but surely we should see some changes in the apes and what about the evolving human been ,we have a need to fly so why aren't we evolving some wings ?I was just concentrating on how conveniently I have 10 fingers witch makes my live so much easier then having one or two fingers.And I know what the scientist say ,with there theory I for-sure know they are crazy ,very nutty indeed.So why don't the other animals evolve some fingers to help them along like the ape! How is it you cannot believe that humans, animals, and plants could exist without having had a creator, but you can believe that God exists without having had a creator?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2014 9:18:42 GMT -5
Because the EVIDENCE is clearly to be seen all around me and IN me.I don't need to worry about where God comes from, that is above my human understanding, I have to be worried about what I do understand. God is not human He is a Spirit. I would love to see the expression on the atheists faces one day when they stand before God! What would there answer be, maybe something like " well yes we saw the evidence of You all around us but we didn't know where You came from thus we didn't believe in you" Good luck with that one.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2014 9:19:44 GMT -5
I do understand there is a God by the evidence all around me ,there is other things that I don't understand because I am not God and would have done things different in my limited human understanding. Even with trillion of years of evolution of the brain ,it could not have existed without intelligence behind it nor could any other living thing for that matter.Take all of the human inventions and none has just came about without intelligence behind it ,how could you then ever say such a thing about much more complex living things as humans,animals and plants? There will be NO excuse for not believing in God because we can reason and the evidence of His existence is as clear as the dawns early ray's. Scientist only have theories but no concrete prove.What about the apes that are still around why aren't they evolving into humans ? Yes I know the scientist conveniently say's it takes millions of years but surely we should see some changes in the apes and what about the evolving human been ,we have a need to fly so why aren't we evolving some wings ?I was just concentrating on how conveniently I have 10 fingers witch makes my live so much easier then having one or two fingers.And I know what the scientist say ,with there theory I for-sure know they are crazy ,very nutty indeed.So why don't the other animals evolve some fingers to help them along like the ape! Maybe you should check out what a Scientific Theory means.
So you already know what the scientist say with their theories and you know they are crazy ,very nutty.
Next time you need an antibiotic, don't pay any attention to those crazy , very nutty scientists!
Just refuse the antibiotics and go home and treat the infection yourself!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2014 9:20:56 GMT -5
I don't throw all scientist in the same basket.
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Post by matisse on Apr 19, 2014 9:28:04 GMT -5
I don't throw all scientist in the same basket. You haven't made this clear in your previous posts.
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Post by matisse on Apr 19, 2014 9:35:00 GMT -5
Because the EVIDENCE is clearly to be seen all around me and IN me.I don't need to worry about where God comes from, that is above my human understanding, I have to be worried about what I do understand. God is not human He is a Spirit. I would love to see the expression on the atheists faces one day when they stand before God! What would there answer be, maybe something like " well yes we saw the evidence of You all around us but we didn't know where You came from thus we didn't believe in you" Good luck with that one. This is your fantasy, that people who do not believe in your god will someday pay! You are the one "seeing all of the evidence of God." It is your belief. And how nice that you would like to see atheists suffer!! What is that about?
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