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Post by rational on Nov 17, 2014 18:46:19 GMT -5
That is a LIE because they met and talked about the ETs at the White House. Like Bill said on TV before millions of Americans, "I did NOT have SEX with that woman/monica L." Yea, right... He also said "I smoked marijuana but I did NOT inhale." Yea, right! Okay, can we agree, based on the above, that Clinton met Greer but never spoke to him? I think we could agree that there is a possibility that Greer met Clinton but that the probability that is happened is so precariously close to zero that it would require extraordinary proof to verify it. And that proof is not, and this is for you NathanB, more YouTube postings!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2014 4:43:40 GMT -5
Okay, can we agree, based on the above, that Clinton met Greer but never spoke to him? I think we could agree that there is a possibility that Greer met Clinton but that the probability that is happened is so precariously close to zero that it would require extraordinary proof to verify it. And that proof is not, and this is for you NathanB, more YouTube postings! And, as you can read, the response from the White House that I provided clearly states that the president (Clinton) was not interested in what Greer was peddling.
Rational, I think your own words strengthen the case for Greer possibly having met Clinton and spoken to him? Greer had obviously traveled to the White House by bicycle, no doubt aware of Bill Clinton's past love for cycling. Perhaps Greer thought this was a convenient way to break the ice for hopeful discussions about aliens and even hoped to make a sale of his transport to the President? However. Clinton's response seems to have dashed Greer's hopes before they got of the ground? This is not prima facie evidence for actual contact between the two, but I think it is very possible that Clinton would have been courteous enough to examine Greer's bicycle, unless he already had one of the same make and model?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2014 4:57:09 GMT -5
Okay, can we agree, based on the above, that Clinton met Greer but never spoke to him? Dr. Greer met and spoke to both President Bill Clinton, and Obama about ETs and UFOs.Thanks Nathan. I take it that unlike Clinton, Obama wasn't interested in bicycles and only discussed ETs and UFOs? What I would really like to know (apologies to Boston) is what type of tea they were drinking. I reckon it was Earl Grey?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2014 5:31:42 GMT -5
Thanks Nathan. I take it that unlike Clinton, Obama wasn't interested in bicycles and only discussed ETs and UFOs? What I would really like to know (apologies to Boston) is what type of tea they were drinking. I reckon it was Earl Grey? Are you speaking in tongues, Ram? You need an interpreter to translate your UK tongues to us.My apologies Nathan. It's not that long since I spoke to my pal Val and I haven't yet got out of the habit of speaking Venusian!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2014 5:52:00 GMT -5
have you ever had an experience with a guardian Angel? No, I don't recall ever having an experience with a guardian Angel, but I do believe that they are Angels as we have read about them in the scriptures. Some folks do claim to have premonitions as warnings, which do materialise, but whether it is the spirit of God that spoke to them or a guardian Angle, I simply do not know, nor am I in a position to doubt them.
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Post by rational on Nov 18, 2014 8:24:38 GMT -5
Aliens ARE REAL 6 Inch Alien Proof: Interview with Dr. Steven Greer & Joe Rogan (3 hrs long) This 'proof' would be so much more believable if the DNA did not indicate that the entity was of human origin and that the mother was common to the region where the entity was discovered, not the outer reaches of the spiral arm of some distant galaxy!Let's see - a lot of well referenced data in the Blue Book document but you are 'listening' to a YouTube video put out by the frauds. Why not provide the text from the document? Odd. In other sources the claim is that Greer was about 8 years old. What are the credentials of the wife? Why was she part of the questioning? But, NathanB, you at last did get it correct. If I had the time I would like to see how an imaginary thought process could be proved but I suppose that an imaginary proof is what would be provided to prove imaginary thought! The only thing Greer could attempt prove would be imaginary. And all of the synonyms for imaginary would also apply - unreal, nonexistent, fictional, fictitious, pretend, make-believe, mythical, mythological, fabulous, fanciful, storybook, fantastic! Ahhh NathanB, good joke. You have been leading us along, like bulls with rings in their noses, and the promise of mangers filled with fragrant grains but now the bubble has burst. I will say that you and your friends have wonderful imaginations and have been most entertaining. I suspect you will soon reappear as Commander Valiant Thor and complete the joke!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2014 8:35:19 GMT -5
I received this in an email today, interesting and amusing. Subject: FW: Angels as explained by children Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2014 21:10:53 -0500 Here is an up to date lesson on the theology of angels: I only know the names of two angels, Hark and Harold. Gregory, age 5 ================================================================================ Everybody's got it all wrong. Angels don't wear halos anymore. I forget why, but scientists are working on it Olive, age 9 ===================================================== It's not easy to become an angel! First, you die. Then you go to Heaven, and then there's still the flight training to go through. And then you got to agree to wear those angel clothes. Matthew, age 9 ============================================================================================================ Angels work for God and watch over kids when God has to go do something else. Mitchell, age 7 ============================================================= My guardian angel helps me with math, but he's not much good for science. Henry, age 8 ================================== Angels don't eat, but they do drink milk from Holy Cows. Jack, age 6 ================================ Angels talk all the way while they're flying you up to heaven. The main subject is where you went wrong before you got dead. Daniel, age 9 ============================================ When an angel gets mad, he takes a deep breath and counts to ten. And when he lets out his breath again, somewhere there's a tornado. Reagan, age 10 ========================================================= Angels have a lot to do and they keep very busy. If you lose a tooth, an angel comes in through your window and leaves money under your pillow. Then when it gets cold, angels go south for the winter. =============================================================== Angels live in cloud houses made by God and his Son, who's a very good carpenter. Jared, age 8 ================================================================================= All angels are girls because they gotta wear dresses and boys don't go for it. Antonio, age 9 ========================================================= My angel is my grandma who died last year. She got a big head start on helping me while she was still down here on earth. Ashley, age 9 ================================================================================ Some of the angels are in charge of helping heal Sick animals and pets. And if They don't make the animals get better, they help the child get over it. Vicki, age 8 ===================================================== What I don't get about angels is why, when someone is in love, they shoot arrows at them. Sarah, age 7 ===================================== Now have a look at Matthew 21:16.
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Post by snow on Nov 18, 2014 11:31:01 GMT -5
ah ha, 'all angels are girls because they have to wear dresses and boys don't go for it' Now we know the 2x2's are right to make their women wear dresses. However, it also means that all male workers need to wear dresses or resign, as they cannot be angels, unless they wear dresses of course.
Like the last one and agree about not understanding all those arrows...
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Post by rational on Nov 18, 2014 22:07:19 GMT -5
I NEVER post as Cmdr Val Thor on TMB. The one who post the name of Cmdr Val Thor is a JOKER! He has disappeared but he might return posting again. Did he tell you this? Amazing is a good word. Imaginary, as you said earlier is a good word. You still have not addressed the findings that the DNA is human. That the mother is from the region where the fetuses were found. (YouTube BS snipped out.)
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Post by snow on Nov 19, 2014 13:09:45 GMT -5
There you go Rational. ET's have human DNA. Go figure.
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Post by rational on Nov 20, 2014 0:09:15 GMT -5
The TMB Cmrd, Val Thor is a phony, most everyone knows that by now. He is a poor impersonator! He didn't know he had a daughter, or her name. He didn't know his own wife name. He didn't know which year he arrived to USA. I think the issue might have been that Commander Valiant Thor actually knew about is family ad tye rest of the details and Frank Stranges, like so many other 'facts" he wrote about, had them wrong. And you chose to believe Stranges over the word of Commander Valiant Thor. While I am certain readers all appreciate your thoughts and ideas the opinion of the people who actually examined the DNA carries a lot more weight. Have you noticed that Greer did not refute the findings that showed the DNA was of human origin?
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 20, 2014 1:32:34 GMT -5
Thanks for that Nathan! I do so love a bit of "Science Fiction" now & then!
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 20, 2014 3:52:53 GMT -5
The TMB Cmrd, Val Thor is a phony, most everyone knows that by now. He is a poor impersonator! He didn't know he had a daughter, or her name. He didn't know his own wife name. He didn't know which year he arrived to USA. I think the issue might have been that Commander Valiant Thor actually knew about is family ad tye rest of the details and Frank Stranges, like so many other 'facts" he wrote about, had them wrong. And you chose to believe Stranges over the word of Commander Valiant Thor. While I am certain readers all appreciate your thoughts and ideas the opinion of the people who actually examined the DNA carries a lot more weight. Have you noticed that Greer did not refute the findings that showed the DNA was of human origin? Nathan! How could you believe frauds like Stranges & Greer instead of the real Cmdr Val Thor ? That is absolute heresy!
You should be shaking in your boots!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2014 4:55:58 GMT -5
Nathan! How could you believe frauds like Stranges & Greer instead of the real Cmdr Val Thor ? That is absolute heresy!
You should be shaking in your boots!
hahaha... If TMB Val Thor is REAL... where is he now? I think TMB Val has LEFT the building... Because I exposed he is a FRAUD. It's your choice if you want to believe in an imposter.I thought you said that I was the TMB Cmdr Val Thor? I am still here! Am I a fraud? Am I an imposter? Ok, believe as you will!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2014 7:21:40 GMT -5
I thought you said that I was the TMB Cmdr Val Thor? I am still here! Am I a fraud? Am I an imposter? Ok, believe as you will! Yes, you're still here but you don't post under TMB Cmdr. Val Thor anymore... for now... He will be back...Thanks Nathan. I have always desired to be Cmdr Val Thor.
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Post by rational on Nov 20, 2014 14:22:54 GMT -5
I think the issue might have been that Commander Valiant Thor actually knew about is family ad tye rest of the details and Frank Stranges, like so many other 'facts" he wrote about, had them wrong. And you chose to believe Stranges over the word of Commander Valiant Thor. ~~ The information when the REAL Valiant Thor came to USA came from Phil S. NOT Dr. Frank S. Which information did Dr. stranges had it wrong about Valiant Thor?Just about everything he said. No, Greer didn't. He didn't respond after the DNA tests showed that the fetus was all human. Come on, NathanB, they were even able to tell where the mother was from. Why do you think that beings from a different planet would have DNA?
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Post by rational on Nov 20, 2014 22:54:19 GMT -5
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Post by rational on Nov 21, 2014 0:36:59 GMT -5
Are you CRAZY? you think this 6 inches guy/gal looks 100% humans, You must have a few bricks short in the head! You really can't see DNA to compare it, NathanB. There are many images of aborted fetuses that do not look human.
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 21, 2014 1:57:54 GMT -5
www.medicaldaily.com/atacama-humanoid-human-researchers-say-245416 excerpts from:Bizarre 6-Inch Skeleton Shown to Be Human By Richard Stone
"To the chagrin of UFO hunters, Ata is decidedly of this world. After mapping more than 500 million reads to a reference human genome, equating to 17.7-fold coverage of the genome, Nolan concluded that Ata "is human, there's no doubt about it." Moreover, the specimen's B2 haplotype—a category of mitochondrial DNA—reveals that its mother was from the west coast of South America: Chile, that is."
"Meanwhile, after examining x-rays, Lachman concluded that Aka's skeletal development, based on the density of the epiphyseal plates of the knees (growth plates at the end of long bones found only in children), surprisingly appears to be equivalent to that of a 6- to 8-year-old child. If that holds up, there are two possibilities, Nolan says. One, a long shot, is that Ata had a severe form of dwarfism, was actually born as a tiny human, and lived until that calendar age. To test that hypothesis, he will try to extract hemoglobin from the specimen's bone marrow and compare the relative amounts of fetal versus adult hemoglobin proteins. The second possibility is that Ata, the size of a 22-week-old fetus, suffered from a severe form of a rare rapid aging disease, progeria, and died in the womb or after premature birth." Nathan, I have seen for myself a case of progeria. You just haven't any real ideas of the anomalies that can happen to fetuses.
Progeria, is an anomaly that can easily be checked on the internet if you would just look. As I have said before I think that you must want to believe some crap from fraudulent sources than any real science.
You could be actually learning a lot of worth while information instead. I don't know why you do it but I feel sorry for you at times. What a waste of your intellect & time.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2014 2:01:50 GMT -5
Dmmichgood - offtopic re Dawkins God Delusion - I had to laugh, amidst a torrent of strawmen and red herrings he brings up the EXPERIENCE OF GOD and THE BIBLE. He talks about strange voices people can hear and how the brain, and the eye, can be fooled, then says "I won't go any further than this." Then he refers to the bible, specifically the xmas story of Jesus and his father's genealogy. Then says something similar, "I won't go any further than this."
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 21, 2014 2:36:34 GMT -5
Dmmichgood - offtopic re Dawkins God Delusion - I had to laugh, amidst a torrent of strawmen and red herrings he brings up the EXPERIENCE OF GOD and THE BIBLE. He talks abou t strange voices people can hear and how the brain, and the eye, can be fooled, then says "I won't go any further than this."Then he refers to the bible, specifically the xmas story of Jesus and his father's genealogy. Then says something similar, "I won't go any further than this." Dawkins probably realized that people who had keep up with the latest knowledge about brain would understand what he was talking about.
Therefore, he didn't need to go any further with an explanation.
Perhaps he also realized that there are some people, like yourself, who hadn't bothered to keep up with knowledge of brain who wouldn't understand what he was talking about anyway so why bother!
As for the "xmas story of Jesus and his father's genealogy."
Anyone who read the "xmas story of Jesus and his father's genealogy" has to wonder what they were talking about! According to the Gospels, God was the father of Jesus, not Joseph! Yet what do the gospels then proceed to do? They turn around & trace Jesus genealogy back through Joseph! Why? They did so in order to try say that Jesus birth fulfilled a prophecy in the OT!
Dawkins probably figured the very inconsistancy of that story spoke for itself. So again, why should he bother remarking on it?
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 21, 2014 2:49:32 GMT -5
www.medicaldaily.com/atacama-humanoid-human-researchers-say-245416 excerpts from:Bizarre 6-Inch Skeleton Shown to Be Human By Richard Stone
"To the chagrin of UFO hunters, Ata is decidedly of this world. After mapping more than 500 million reads to a reference human genome, equating to 17.7-fold coverage of the genome, Nolan concluded that Ata "is human, there's no doubt about it." Moreover, the specimen's B2 haplotype—a category of mitochondrial DNA—reveals that its mother was from the west coast of South America: Chile, that is."
"Meanwhile, after examining x-rays, Lachman concluded that Aka's skeletal development, based on the density of the epiphyseal plates of the knees (growth plates at the end of long bones found only in children), surprisingly appears to be equivalent to that of a 6- to 8-year-old child. If that holds up, there are two possibilities, Nolan says. One, a long shot, is that Ata had a severe form of dwarfism, was actually born as a tiny human, and lived until that calendar age. To test that hypothesis, he will try to extract hemoglobin from the specimen's bone marrow and compare the relative amounts of fetal versus adult hemoglobin proteins. The second possibility is that Ata, the size of a 22-week-old fetus, suffered from a severe form of a rare rapid aging disease, progeria, and died in the womb or after premature birth." Nathan, I have seen for myself a case of progeria. You just haven't any real ideas of the anomalies that can happen to fetuses.
Progeria, is an anomaly that can easily be checked on the internet if you would just look. As I have said before I think that you must want to believe some crap from fraudulent sources than any real science.
You could be actually learning a lot of worth while information instead. I don't know why you do it but I feel sorry for you at times. What a waste of your intellect & time.
I know about freaky fetuses, anomaly babies. Try to THINK outside of the BOX! We are NOT Alone in the Universe! There is God, angels, fallen angels, MANY ETs races exist, hybrid race of ET/humans before and AFTER Adam and Eve were created by God. WAKE UP! smell the Coffee! God exists. Have your Faith in God renew before your time is up, dmg. It's sad to see all of your years serving God goes down the drain. Nathan, you are not thinking "outside the box!" You aren't thinking at all!
Even if we aren't alone in the universe, that doesn't make fallen angels, ETs races, hybrid race of ET/humans exist now or ever existed! You think that I should go back to believing a god exists? Renew my "faith"? What "faith?" "Faith" in the cruel god the created a people only to drown most of them & had his son crucified?No way!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2014 2:55:15 GMT -5
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Post by rational on Nov 21, 2014 9:33:53 GMT -5
You really can't see DNA to compare it, NathanB. There are many images of aborted fetuses that do not look human. View AttachmentPlease, Don't tell me these aborted fetuses grow up and look like these normal humans being around the world. No, the ones found and the one that I posted are deformed human fetuses. They usually are the result of spontaneous abortion and will never grow up to be come adults. That does not, however, mean they are not 100% human and have only human DNA. Deformity does not mean alien. Even Greer was not dumb enough to counter the DNA findings. Of course, he didn't have the integrity to stop selling the books he had published earlier that made the incorrect claims. But integrity is not something that identifies a confidence man! You need to look beyond YouTube NathanB.
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Post by rational on Nov 21, 2014 9:41:48 GMT -5
I know about freaky fetuses, anomaly babies. Try to THINK outside of the BOX! We are NOT Alone in the Universe! I don't think anyone said we are alone in the universe. The claim is that the entities Greer was claiming were aliens have the DNA of humans and were the offspring of a woman who lived in the area. You may well believe this but you cannot offer any proof to support your claims. And, NathanB, please don't post/report the tired old YouTube stories as an attempt to prove anything.Probably not so sad for me since I have put 0 time into serving any paranormal entity.
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Post by rational on Nov 21, 2014 9:57:13 GMT -5
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Post by rational on Nov 21, 2014 10:06:05 GMT -5
Dmmichgood - offtopic re Dawkins God Delusion - I had to laugh, amidst a torrent of strawmen and red herrings he brings up the EXPERIENCE OF GOD and THE BIBLE. He talks about strange voices people can hear and how the brain, and the eye, can be fooled, then says "I won't go any further than this." Then he refers to the bible, specifically the xmas story of Jesus and his father's genealogy. Then says something similar, "I won't go any further than this." :( In the 2,000 years since it was written there have been countless 'explanations' as to why the recorded genealogies make little sense and are different. There is no point in going over and over the data only to hear the same spin applied in attempts to have the data make any sense. And as to people hearing voices - Are Mary and Paul to be believed when they claim they heard voices but the woman who killed her children because she also heard voices is to be discounted? Since the theists cannot explain how the listener can determine the origin of the voices the assumption is they are generated by the person's brain, most likely the result of a malfunction. The causes have been explained and even demonstrated so many times that it is a waste of time going over it again. The idea that seeing is believing has also been shown to be incorrect and unreliable. Anyone involved in criminal investigation knows about the reliability of eye witnesses.
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Post by rational on Nov 21, 2014 10:16:12 GMT -5
It was His Son/Jesus choice to die a horrible death to show his creation He loved them, and redeemed them, even through the most painful and Cruel death on Calvary's Cross. What a Savior we have! Wouldn't you have to give more credit to the monks who killed themselves? Self-immolation (killing oneself as a sacrifice) is a form of protest or for the purposes of martyrdom. It has been practiced for many centuries by many people. And they were willing to take this step without the comfort of knowing that they would rise again. How big is the sacrifice if you know it is only temporary? The monks who burned themselves to protest inhumane conditions in an effort to bring attention to the plight of those suffering, with a hope towards ending the suffering, showed a lot more courage than someone who knew it was just a short term demonstration.
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