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Post by jondough on Oct 15, 2013 17:06:17 GMT -5
I couldn't live the life of a worker for all the tax free money and all the luxuries in the world..... i could much more easily live the life of John Long during his itinerant days. Visiting people, home to home, having lunch with different people...different bed every night, sometimes in the same room as a companion i didn't choose....You cant be serious....This is slow torchure!! I really don't think half the workers could do it either if they didn't believe this was the one true ministry, and they have been called. uuggggggg!!!! I get anxiety just thinking about that life style!! Jondough - Do you think you could live the lifestyle of 'Philip the evangelist' we read of in Acts I don't think the early apostles would have ever contemplated living like our workers do I have no problem roughing it. I've done that many times. I feel I could tolerate Paul's life (less the beatings) easier than tolerating the life style our workers live. It just goes against every stitch of how I'm built. Give me the toughest job there is. I'd rather do that than sit in on visits for lunch and have to sit still and listen for however long it last. The main point is, the Workers do not choose this profession because its a great life style. It just isn't. You have to be a pretty un-motivated person to choose that profession based on the life style of it.
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Post by rational on Oct 15, 2013 17:16:16 GMT -5
Sharingtheriches ~ I'm glad to see that some others were also shocked over the contents of that earlier response to Nathan by Cherie. He definitely did not deserve to be treated in such a "curt and unfeeling" way on a public board! Just because he received some wrong information from another party doesn't warrant such a cold-hearted response! Perhaps you should re-read what Cherie wrote. What was cold-hearted about it? She simply stated that what Nathan said was not true. I have found that to be the case many, many times with Nathan and have told him it was. She then stated her source. Plus she related some additional information that she had been told. Finally, she offered a possible scenario to explain the confusion. Of course, Nathan never claimed he talked to Brad's mother so I am not sure to what Cherie was referring. Still, if someone posts and believes " The Reptilians leaders are shape shifters and connected through bloodline." I doubt that the vast majority of people would consider using "crazy" as an adjective to be out of line.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2013 17:18:45 GMT -5
I couldn't live the life of a worker for all the tax free money and all the luxuries in the world..... i could much more easily live the life of John Long during his itinerant days. Visiting people, home to home, having lunch with different people...different bed every night, sometimes in the same room as a companion i didn't choose....You cant be serious....This is slow torchure!! I really don't think half the workers could do it either if they didn't believe this was the one true ministry, and they have been called. uuggggggg!!!! I get anxiety just thinking about that life style!! They would have to believe this is the only way to do it or no one in their right mind would do it. It's an unnatural, unhealthy, likely unnecessary lifestyle that for the most part has created an unscriptural focus on the form of the ministry over the true gospel message. When you look at the results of Philip the evangelist's ministry, you see that the Christ he taught stirred hearts. It was Christ, and only Christ. John Long, from what I can see in his journals, also taught Christ only--not his form of truly itinerant ministry. I'm reading a book about being a pastor by two pastors who have been in the ministry for over 30 years each, and one way longer than that. They talk about visiting people in their homes for prayer and encouragement, as well as how hard the life is as you are a 'servant' to your church. It has been a real eye opener for me as to what real pastors really do compared to what we in the fellowship have been taught they don't do. If the workers want to go out they way they do, that's fine by me, but I'm sure glad I decided not to mail that letter offering to go to Eldon T!
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Post by quizzer on Oct 15, 2013 17:24:11 GMT -5
Right now, tax is paid without listing an organization or expenses. What tax is paid? On the money held by the friends or the trust funds. Do you know more about this? Are these interest-bearing accounts?
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Post by quizzer on Oct 15, 2013 17:26:40 GMT -5
Fixit ~ I'm a little confused here, too? Are you talking about the money that friends donated to the workers have already had taxes deducted, so it doesn't count? My guess would also be that the money donated to registered churches is not only accounted for in the church records, but the outflow is also shown to the various sources. I'm sure also that the church members who donate to them have already paid taxes through their payroll deductions when they received their checks. Also, members within the churches are given a statement at the end of the year regarding their donations, so as they can include them among charitable deductions on their own taxes. However, there is no such accounting by workers or overseers regarding their own funds received and their distribution. The friends are kept "in the dark" completely as to where their money goes once they pass it over to the workers, other than the old story of being denoted to "the Lord's work" anonymously. If the friends were given a statement at the end of the year regarding their donations they could claim tax deductions. If workers registered as a tax exempt organisation the government would receive less revenue because the friends would claim tax refunds on their donations. This has been discussed before on TMB. How would the Christian Convention Church be able to register as a tax-exempt organization? Are the friends and workers performing socially-acceptable charitable works to the outside world these days?
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Post by fixit on Oct 15, 2013 17:44:22 GMT -5
The 2x2 church has some very serious issues that need to be addressed, but workers "evading taxes" is not something that I am at all concerned about.
Anyone who is not willing to give tax-paid donations to workers should find another use for the money.
The same for anyone who is concerned about how the money is spent and the lack of financial transparency.
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Post by Gene on Oct 15, 2013 18:14:14 GMT -5
Jondough - Do you think you could live the lifestyle of 'Philip the evangelist' we read of in Acts I don't think the early apostles would have ever contemplated living like our workers do I have no problem roughing it. I've done that many times. I feel I could tolerate Paul's life (less the beatings) easier than tolerating the life style our workers live. It just goes against every stitch of how I'm built. Give me the toughest job there is. I'd rather do that than sit in on visits for lunch and have to sit still and listen for however long it last. The main point is, the Workers do not choose this profession because its a great life style. It just isn't. You have to be a pretty un-motivated person to choose that profession based on the life style of it. ..... And...... there are some pretty unmotivated workers!!!! I don't know that they start out that way, but there are some who end up that way. Fortherecord: I believe that is the rare exception, but I'm sure it happens.
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Post by fixit on Oct 15, 2013 18:16:40 GMT -5
Obviously a lot of money would be spent on travel for workers.
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Post by rational on Oct 15, 2013 19:09:07 GMT -5
On the money held by the friends or the trust funds. Do you know more about this? Are these interest-bearing accounts? Tax on any income generated by the funds is due from the entity indicated by the Taxpayer Identification Number (TIN) associated with the account. There is no tax due on the funds.
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Post by rational on Oct 15, 2013 19:15:16 GMT -5
Are the friends and workers performing socially-acceptable charitable works to the outside world these days? Are you implying that to qualify non-profits have to perform "socially-acceptable charitable works"?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2013 19:17:32 GMT -5
Obviously a lot of money would be spent on travel for workers. that's really part of the challenge: most of the worker's basic costs of life are paid for by the friends in some manner or another, but the big expense is travel to and from conventions, and the conventions themselves. So a person would need to decide if conventions and out of state workers are worth supporting or not. If not, then your money can go elsewhere. I'm sure they've had to raise the 'debt ceiling' limit a few times on travel expenses
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Post by snow on Oct 15, 2013 20:35:02 GMT -5
So those who are faithful and stay are being penalized and expected to take up the slack for an already incredibly rich organization! Isn't that spiritual blackmail?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2013 20:58:28 GMT -5
On the money held by the friends or the trust funds. Do you know more about this? Are these interest-bearing accounts? Tax on any income generated by the funds is due from the entity indicated by the Taxpayer Identification Number (TIN) associated with the account. There is no tax due on the funds. If funds are held in an interest bearing account in the personal name of one of the friends, then the interest income will have to be declared and tax paid on that income by that particular friend. I understand that there are some instances where funds were held in non-interest bearing accounts as a matter of principle(no pun intended) so that there would be no income generated from donated funds from the friends.
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Post by Sylvestra on Oct 15, 2013 21:24:16 GMT -5
Nate and I go way back - we don't sugar coat things to/for each other. And we dont PM each other. Cherie ~ It's pretty obvious you don't "sugar coat things" for the people you don't especially like on this Board. However, your response was way over the top and quite harsh considering it was simply a wrong assumption on Nathan's part and he owned up to his own error most graciously. He explained his past relationship with Brad's family and also revealed it was a relative close to the family who shared this information with him. Apparently, he got wrong information from this family member and shared it on this Board? However, that's an easy mistake to make and I don't feel he should have been chided so harshly for doing so. Your own personal dislike for Nathan really came through in your post! Just my thoughts. Also, don't you think that Brad's mother might be just a little upset over you sharing something she supposedly said in private with you on a public board? It seems that you are breaking one of your own "cardinal rules" of privacy on TLC about sharing something relayed to you in confidence on TMB? Nathan's response...Cherie's personal dislike of Brad??!!!! You mean you see dislike in what she said and the way she said it, but you don't see yourself doing that to Cherie, ilylo, and me? We can't post ONE THING here without you making it an issue of some kind! Talk about the kettle! Get over it for goodness sake!
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Post by sharingtheriches on Oct 15, 2013 21:26:42 GMT -5
The last pair in our field were bored witless. One played solitaire on her computer because she had nothing to do and the other listened to books on tape. They weren't fussy, but they didn't help with anything either--which was okay as it kept them from underfoot. I would imagine this fellowship will continue to be quite cheap until/unless the estate money runs out and the convention/convention travel will become a problem at that point. The basic support for their lifestyle will continue to be cheap, however. Once no one can afford to lend them a car and insurance, then we'll all have to chip in more, I would expect. Our field doesn't have a car so the workers drive a car provided by another field--which works for we cheapskates! What we have is a ministry that bears little resemblance to the workers of 100 years ago who spent most of their time seeking the lost. Those early workers would struggle to relate to many of today's workers I feel. I agree! A lot of the time, the brother workers wouldn't ask a bed in the family home, but would sleep either in an outer building such as servant's quarters, hired man's quarters and mostly the barns. I have heard of some brothers nearly starving or freezing to death....perhaps those that did, were reticent in pushing themselves into possible converts homes. I do know when my gram and grampa went to the school house where the 2 sister workers were having mtgs. and had had a few before they were aware of them being there.....that while everybody else was meeting and greeting after the evening mission mtg. my grampa wandered around to see just what these 2 ladies had in ways of beds and food stuff etc....it's been told many times that when he discovered all the food they had was about enough stale bread for 2 slices and a couple of spoons full of jelly. He wasted no time it tell those ladies that they must by all means come home with them and have at least a decent meal. I think once or twice it was even mentioned that when they got home that evening that they had a spot of tea and gram made some kind of sandwiches for the ladies....and it is said that they spent the whole summer with them on into the fall when they were going in for conv. I think people did care a lot more back then about strangers that seemed to have so little...Kind of like in the days of Jesus....the hospitality between the Jewish household was very good...it was a matter of pride that when a Jewish person or persons were travelling between places that the hospitality was offered freely and willingly. It wasn't a good idea for people to travel any less then 2 at the least because of the vagabonds and derelicts......but people who had homes had them open for visitors. I think we see evidence of that when Jesus told his Apostles that when they enteredinto a home and the peace was there that they were not to leave that home for another UNTIL they went on into another city, etc Makes sense, don't take one's hosts for granted by jumping ship into one of their neighbor's home! I actually don't think the beginning workers would be able to have what the present day workers have for it would spoil their idea of going out on faith lines and if they weren't having a change of clothing because of this issue, then to have a cell phone, a computer and a suitbag all full of some of the best namebrand c lothing......this defeats the very reason for the workership's advent in any way one looks at it. Going out in faith......It doesn't seem to me that present day workers are really sacrificing much of anything. Fact is they're having the best of life without the burdens that bring that best and keep that best....such as a daily job for someone and usually outside the fellowship, NO home to keep up, no yard to keep up, no taxes to pay. And having abilities to fly in aplane just about any time it is possible and if per chance they decide to travel across country, they'll trade cars with one of the friends who have a large car such as a Cadillac that is far more comfortable travelling in esp. when more then 2 are travelling that way. I have seen this drastic change in workers since the 70's as some of those even second generation workers have passed on.....few of today's worker don't have regular mission work...they can't for the trouble of having to keep on the go from one friend's house to another.....free meals here and there and the price is just getting in their car and setting them anywhere from 4-8-12 hrs to get there. It's as if the need to keep tract of what the friends are doing and keeping the friends under their control is taking the workers' time.....and it's pitiful for the only converts usually are those b&r'd and many of those will profess in their youth and by the time they're out of college they no longer profess.......I think I'd get pretty discouraged with that kind of a job....there's no sense of acc omplishment many times.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Oct 15, 2013 21:33:16 GMT -5
Obviously a lot of money would be spent on travel for workers. that's really part of the challenge: most of the worker's basic costs of life are paid for by the friends in some manner or another, but the big expense is travel to and from conventions, and the conventions themselves. So a person would need to decide if conventions and out of state workers are worth supporting or not. If not, then your money can go elsewhere. I'm sure they've had to raise the 'debt ceiling' limit a few times on travel expenses The care of the old and disabled workers is perhaps the costliest thing the workers face and as far as I've experienced they do their best to pay for those things until someone is able to get welfare from the states' governments for the needy and sick workers. And not only the disabled and elderly workers need things, with the number of workers that are present in all the earth, th ehealth care of the active workers enter into the financial realm very much....there is probably at least 1-2 workers every day needing some kind of major health care....I know there are several in this area of the US that have had chemotherapy for cancer, some have had both chemo and radiaition and others have had both that and then surgery....... The travelling to convs. has pretty well been kept for the workers that have always been particularly enjoyed at other convs. I have to wonder what people will do now that supposedly LW is out of the workership....he was a dynamic speaker.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2013 22:34:00 GMT -5
that's really part of the challenge: most of the worker's basic costs of life are paid for by the friends in some manner or another, but the big expense is travel to and from conventions, and the conventions themselves. So a person would need to decide if conventions and out of state workers are worth supporting or not. If not, then your money can go elsewhere. I'm sure they've had to raise the 'debt ceiling' limit a few times on travel expenses The care of the old and disabled workers is perhaps the costliest thing the workers face and as far as I've experienced they do their best to pay for those things until someone is able to get welfare from the states' governments for the needy and sick workers. And not only the disabled and elderly workers need things, with the number of workers that are present in all the earth, th ehealth care of the active workers enter into the financial realm very much....there is probably at least 1-2 workers every day needing some kind of major health care....I know there are several in this area of the US that have had chemotherapy for cancer, some have had both chemo and radiaition and others have had both that and then surgery....... The travelling to convs. has pretty well been kept for the workers that have always been particularly enjoyed at other convs. I have to wonder what people will do now that supposedly LW is out of the workership....he was a dynamic speaker. Your point about healthcare is something I hadn't thought of. I think most of the right age out here are on medi-whatever, and many go to professing docs for free care, and some docs donate their care. Nevertheless, healthcare is a real concern and it could get real expensive quickly.
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Post by faune on Oct 15, 2013 23:55:39 GMT -5
Cherie ~ It's pretty obvious you don't "sugar coat things" for the people you don't especially like on this Board. However, your response was way over the top and quite harsh considering it was simply a wrong assumption on Nathan's part and he owned up to his own error most graciously. He explained his past relationship with Brad's family and also revealed it was a relative close to the family who shared this information with him. Apparently, he got wrong information from this family member and shared it on this Board? However, that's an easy mistake to make and I don't feel he should have been chided so harshly for doing so. Your own personal dislike for Nathan really came through in your post! Just my thoughts. Also, don't you think that Brad's mother might be just a little upset over you sharing something she supposedly said in private with you on a public board? It seems that you are breaking one of your own "cardinal rules" of privacy on TLC about sharing something relayed to you in confidence on TMB? Nathan's response... Cherie's personal dislike of Brad??!!!! You mean you see dislike in what she said and the way she said it, but you don't see yourself doing that to Cherie, ilylo, and me? We can't post ONE THING here without you making it an issue of some kind! Talk about the kettle! Get over it for goodness sake! Edy ~ Perhaps you and Ilylo are rubbing off on Cherie or maybe you're all peas within the same pod? Also, you're confused again Edy. We were commenting about Cherie's response to Nathan. The possibility of Brad getting married recently and moving to the East Coast was the topic under discussion on TMB. In addition, I wasn't the only one to notice the exchange and comment on it. Perhaps you need to go back and re-read the earlier posts to get a better understanding of what actually transpired?
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Post by faune on Oct 16, 2013 0:41:40 GMT -5
Sharingtheriches ~ I'm glad to see that some others were also shocked over the contents of that earlier response to Nathan by Cherie. He definitely did not deserve to be treated in such a "curt and unfeeling" way on a public board! Just because he received some wrong information from another party doesn't warrant such a cold-hearted response! Perhaps you should re-read what Cherie wrote. What was cold-hearted about it? She simply stated that what Nathan said was not true. I have found that to be the case many, many times with Nathan and have told him it was. She then stated her source. Plus she related some additional information that she had been told. Finally, she offered a possible scenario to explain the confusion. Of course, Nathan never claimed he talked to Brad's mother so I am not sure to what Cherie was referring. Still, if someone posts and believes " The Reptilians leaders are shape shifters and connected through bloodline." I doubt that the vast majority of people would consider using "crazy" as an adjective to be out of line. Rational ~ I wasn't the only one who picked up on the exchange between Cherie and Nathan and felt it was unfeeling and unkind ~ or in other words, a cold-hearted response. If you go back a few pages and read some of these remarks, I feel even you would be taken back by Cherie's tone of voice? Also, I take it that you are not a science fiction fan? Nathan has done quite a lot of research into the Illuminati and the Reptilian race. Although I don't follow these conspiracies theories or put much stock in them myself, a lot of people on You-tube seem fascinated with this subject.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2013 2:37:53 GMT -5
Rational ~ I wasn't the only one who picked up on the exchange between Cherie and Nathan and felt it was unfeeling and unkind ~ or in other words, a cold-hearted response. If you go back a few pages and read some of these remarks, I feel even you would be taken back by Cherie's tone of voice? Also, I take it that you are not a science fiction fan? Nathan has done quite a lot of research into the Illuminati and the Reptilian race. Although I don't follow these conspiracies theories or put much stock in them myself, a lot of people on You-tube seem fascinated with this subject. Thanks, again faune. You're one cool lady! Many middle age 40s and young people in the 20s are very fascinating with UFO and aliens topics. I gave over 1000s invitation of my message board to my customers to read the article Valiant Thor, an angel of God sent to President Eisenhower in 1957. It has reached 10,000 viewers in 14 months. I gave it to my Christians friends, pastors, ministers, Private investigator into the super natural, ex-priest, Bible college professor, non-believers, etc... and they love reading the information and they passed my message board link to their friends. The viewers are keep on growing. We talked about the information on the articles and they love it.... So, I am NOT crazy after all. People today are more open minded in super natural, Satan, angels, aliens, UFO, crop circles topics than 20 yrs ago. People begin to think there's something is very strange going on all over the world.Nathan, As you know mans' sin/fall from grace brought death into the world. Had man not sinned he would have lived forever. The result of man sinning was that death came into the world for every creature. Now you claim Valiant Thorr is a servant of God, not of our race but from another world. The fact that VT has a lifespan (500 years?) reveals his race of beings must also have fallen from grace/sinned at some point. What sayeth ye?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2013 3:14:30 GMT -5
Thanks Nathan. However, that does not answer the question as to how VT has a "lifespan" i.e. there is an end to his life if his race had not sinned? Did they sin? Were they naughty?
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Post by Mary on Oct 16, 2013 4:31:01 GMT -5
Nathan has said some pretty bad things about Brad in the past not much different from what Cherie has said Brad's mother said about Nathan. He has said in the past that he had talked to Brad's family at convention and that they had told him that Brad was unstable. He even said this to Brad on the board. Nathan has really attacked Brad on here in a similar fashion. This was before you came on the board faune. Nathan has also attacked Brad about a friend he had and what was being said. What Cherie has said is what Nathan has said about Brad but in the reverse. So good Cherie has put the record straight. Someone had to.
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Post by faune on Oct 16, 2013 6:43:29 GMT -5
Nathan has said some pretty bad things about Brad in the past not much different from what Cherie has said Brad's mother said about Nathan. He has said in the past that he had talked to Brad's family at convention and that they had told him that Brad was unstable. He even said this to Brad on the board. Nathan has really attacked Brad on here in a similar fashion. This was before you came on the board faune. Nathan has also attacked Brad about a friend he had and what was being said. What Cherie has said is what Nathan has said about Brad but in the reverse. So good Cherie has put the record straight. Someone had to. Mary ~ Thanks for filling me in on some past history that Nathan has had with Brad from your memory. But, I'm still not clear on what "past history" that Cherie had with Nathan, as she claimed, that would make her respond in the way she did? It most definitely appeared as an attack on him personally "out of the blue" which caught my attention and others who also commented. Although I'm fairly new posting to this Board, it just made me wonder what could have percipitated such a reaction over an innocent mistake that Nathan made on TMB and explained in his response. Also, if Brad's mother had said something to Cherie in private relating to Nathan, do you really think Cherie was justified in sharing it on a public board like TMB? Actually, it seems Cherie violated one of her own privacy rules on TLC about sharing a private conversation with Brad's mother on a public board, which appeared as negative gossip? Personally, I considered that a "low blow" on her part, since revenge is never sweet!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2013 7:20:59 GMT -5
Thanks Nathan. However, that does not answer the question as to how VT has a "lifespan" i.e. there is an end to his life if his race had not sinned? Did they sin? Were they naughty? The Reptilian has a "lifespan" of a 1000 yrs old. Other celestial beings/race have a "lifespan" also.... but their spirits live on after they died. Noah, Enoch, Methusala lifespan was about 800-1000 yrs old. Valiant Thor, brother, sister race did not sin against God's law.I (Pastor Frank) asked him (Valiant Thor) if there is life on other planets. His reply was, "There is life on many other planets of which people on Earth know nothing. There are more solar systems for which man has not even given God credit. There are many beings that have never transgressed the perfect laws of God. Man does not possess the right to condemn the whole of God's creation because he himself has broken the perfect laws of God through disobedience." You are missing my point Nathan. Noah, Enoch, Methusela, were all of a lineage of fallen man. No matter how long they lived, they all eventually died as a result. Death was the result of sin. Valiant Thorr's ancestors must have sinned in order they were to die at some time. If VT's mission was to help this planet he has failed miserably. Why did he come to the most corrupt and evil nation on Earth with his message, which has not been heeded? Have you considered he may be nothing more than deception from the bad guy?
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Post by faune on Oct 16, 2013 7:33:36 GMT -5
Thanks Nathan. However, that does not answer the question as to how VT has a "lifespan" i.e. there is an end to his life if his race had not sinned? Did they sin? Were they naughty? Ram ~ Perhaps Valiant Thor is a hologram from another planet, like in Star Wars? However, the details relating to his existence reminds me of something out of the Mormon faith lore postulated by Joseph Smith. Also, he has no fingerprints and can appear and disappear at will. How cool is that! It reminds me of the N.T. stories of Jesus after the resurrection where he made different appearances and then vanished from their midst. Who knows what is possible in the spiritual realm that we do not see? starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Hologram Excerpt from previously referenced article by Nathan: More About The COMMANDER Valiant Thor, Part I by Dr. Frank E. Stranges ~ A CREATED BEING
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Post by rational on Oct 16, 2013 8:08:51 GMT -5
Tax on any income generated by the funds is due from the entity indicated by the Taxpayer Identification Number (TIN) associated with the account. There is no tax due on the funds. If funds are held in an interest bearing account in the personal name of one of the friends, then the interest income will have to be declared and tax paid on that income by that particular friend. I understand that there are some instances where funds were held in non-interest bearing accounts as a matter of principle(no pun intended) so that there would be no income generated from donated funds from the friends. Doesn't that fall under the heading of poor stewardship? He also who had received the one talent came and said, "Lord, I knew you that you are a hard man, reaping where you did not sow, and gathering where you did not scatter. I was afraid, and went away and hid your talent in the earth. Behold, you have what is yours."
But his lord answered him, "You wicked and slothful servant. You knew that I reap where I didn't sow, and gather where I didn't scatter. You ought therefore to have deposited my money with the bankers, and at my coming I should have received back my own with interest. Take away therefore the talent from him, and give it to him who has the ten talents.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2013 8:10:14 GMT -5
You are missing my point Nathan. Noah, Enoch, Methusela, were all of a lineage of fallen man. No matter how long they lived, they all eventually died as a result. Death was the result of sin. Valiant Thorr's ancestors must have sinned in order they were to die at some time. If VT's mission was to help this planet he has failed miserably. Why did he come to the most corrupt and evil nation on Earth with his message, which has not been heeded? Have you considered he may be nothing more than deception from the bad guy? How can Valiant Thor be the BAD guy, when He and his brother Don, helping USA fighting against Nazi Germans during WW II? ... Valiant Thor, message is Jesus the God of the Universe, the rightful Ruler. He was/is pointing others to follow Jesus Christ as the Savior of humanity. Valiant Thor is here as Messenger to deliver the Message... God is NOT DEAD.More interesting information on Commander Thor at the below link: We (Pastor Frank and Valiant Thor) discussed the merits of Jesus Christ ... how He gave His Life freely... so that men could enjoy the benefits of eternal life. I questioned him about a Bible on Venus and he assured me that a personal unbroken fellowship with the "Author" did not necessitate the printing of a "book". He found it amusing that many theologians attempt to discredit both Jesus Christ and The Bible. The very God many have said is "dead" continues to lavish them with all good things. Perhaps they will, in time, permit the spark of Divine Light to again illuminate their troubled hearts. In answer to my question of what he thought of Jesus Christ, he said, "I know that Jesus is the Alpha and Omega of yours and everyone else faith. He today has assumed His rightful position as the ruler of the universe and is preparing a place and a time for all who are called by His Name to ascend far above the clouds to where His Power and Authority shall never again be disputed.www.bibliotecapleyades.net/bb/stranges.htmThere are people who are still carrying on Pastor Frank and Valiant message of Hope. On March 16, 1960 Val dematerialized and departed from this phase of his Earthly mission. His next stop was the outskirts of Alexandria, Virginia where his ship and his crew awaited his arrival, hidden by a wooded area. It was no problem for him to reassemble the atoms of his body inside his ship. As his craft rose slowly, a number of people stopped and pointed excitedly in his direction. Others stood motionless, transfixed by the sight which they beheld. He felt such a tremendous feeling of love for all of them. There was no panic in them... just curiosity and a strong desire to know more. Then, as the USAF jets were scrambled, and with the force field now in full use, the planes darted past the ship unable to see them now. Even ground radar lost them on their equipment. Confusion once again reigned. On the way back to Victor One, he meditated on his home planet, the low, heavy, colorful clouds, the even temperatures, the perfectly diffused sunlight that made shadows almost nonexistent, the lushness of the rich green grass surrounding his home. He was informed of several Earth people with whom he would maintain contact for a long time into the future. Strangely enough, those who knew of his presence, yet who claimed disbelief, were those who feared the most. Others figured THEY should have been the ones contacted and not those who were. Upon returning to his home planet, he advised the Council of Central Control of the results of his Earth visit including the failure of the leaders of the United States to "take him up" on his offer of advice and assistance to the human family. He was given the following instructions: • To mingle with and become as Earth people • To work and labor in Earth enterprises • To help those who encounter possible threat or danger while striving for world peace • To give them advice and guidance • To entrust with superior knowledge those who have proven themselves • Divulge the essence of their mission to the collective national leaders of Earth, only when the time is right. As of this writing, he continues with this mission, at the same time assisting in preventing our "civilization" from being the cause of orbital chaos by the destruction of our planet. This sounds a lot like the Swiss taildocking stories we have enjoyed here on this site......only this one is wonderfully more fantastical!
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Post by rational on Oct 16, 2013 8:13:39 GMT -5
Nathan has said some pretty bad things about Brad in the past not much different from what Cherie has said Brad's mother said about Nathan. He has said in the past that he had talked to Brad's family at convention and that they had told him that Brad was unstable. He even said this to Brad on the board. Nathan has really attacked Brad on here in a similar fashion. This was before you came on the board faune. Nathan has also attacked Brad about a friend he had and what was being said. What Cherie has said is what Nathan has said about Brad but in the reverse. So good Cherie has put the record straight. Someone had to. Mary ~ Thanks for filling me in on some past history that Nathan has had with Brad from your memory. But, I'm still not clear on what "past history" that Cherie had with Nathan, as she claimed, that would make her respond in the way she did? It most definitely appeared as an attack on him personally "out of the blue" which caught my attention and others who also commented. Although I'm fairly new posting to this Board, it just made me wonder what could have percipitated such a reaction over an innocent mistake that Nathan made on TMB and explained in his response. ??? Also, if Brad's mother had said something to Cherie in private relating to Nathan, do you really think Cherie was justified in sharing it on a public board like TMB? Actually, it seems Cherie violated one of her own privacy rules on TLC about sharing a private conversation with Brad's mother on a public board, which appeared as negative gossip? Personally, I considered that a "low blow" on her part, since revenge is never sweet! Faune, you need to find some new windmills.
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