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Post by snow on May 28, 2013 21:09:59 GMT -5
Sometimes in order to change something we need to first be 'accepting' that it is happening. That may seem simplistic and in a way it is. You must be aware of something in order to change it and also accept that it exists. Then you can think about it clearly and make changes. If we are just aware of it, we can still find ways of denying it or avoiding it, but once we accept that it truly does exist, then we can look at it, analyze it and figure out what the best thing to do is. The workers have probably done the first, become aware, but they haven't accepted that it is something they are doing that is causing the problems. They are still in 'blame/victim' mode where it is others who are not 'hearty' or the internet that is causing their problems. At some point they need to accept that the way they are running their 'non organization', is just not conducive to the things they are supposed to be portraying such as love, compassion etc.
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Post by fixit on May 28, 2013 21:31:33 GMT -5
There's been a subtle about-turn over the last century or more.
110 years ago workers were teaching principles over politics.
Now they are teaching politics over principles.
The church grew as people of principle jumped on board.
Now the church is contracting because people of principle are leaving or simply not joining.
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May 29, 2013 1:26:26 GMT -5
Post by emy on May 29, 2013 1:26:26 GMT -5
From Dale Shultz's letter to those who raised concerns about the ministry's unrighteous behavior: "If our attitude towards them becomes disrespectful, it is a reflection on our attitude towards God as well." "Whether the decision is right or wrong, the right thing for all of us is to respect it because of those who have made the judgement." Cult 101. Equating man with God. Have you thought of the possibility that there is scriptural basis for that? At least for those who really are sent by God. Luke 10:16 “Whoever listens to you listens to me; whoever rejects you rejects me; but whoever rejects me rejects him who sent me.”
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May 29, 2013 1:51:54 GMT -5
Post by fixit on May 29, 2013 1:51:54 GMT -5
Cult 101. Equating man with God. Have you thought of the possibility that there is scriptural basis for that? At least for those who really are sent by God. Luke 10:16 “Whoever listens to you listens to me; whoever rejects you rejects me; but whoever rejects me rejects him who sent me.”Even Jesus himself didn't condemn those who didn't believe his words. He stood for principles, the principles of the kingdom of heaven. It was those principles, those words, that were to be obeyed. Not Jesus the person. To insist on obedience to something that is wrong is arrogant and foolish. Jesus did not do that. John 12:44 Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me. 45 And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me. 46 I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness. 47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. 48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. 49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. 50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.
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May 29, 2013 2:13:39 GMT -5
Post by emy on May 29, 2013 2:13:39 GMT -5
And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
He did not condemn them while he lived, but warned them there would be judgment at some time.
I do not support what DS said entirely, but one person's perspective of what is wrong, may be different from another's perspective.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2013 3:50:20 GMT -5
And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.He did not condemn them while he lived, but warned them there would be judgment at some time. I do not support what DS said entirely, but one person's perspective of what is wrong, may be different from another's perspective. That is the handy thing about this kind of religion .. It is a do-it-yourself kit where using the bible you can chose to believe anything at all -- and treat others in any way possible and then claim moral virtue in this home-made kit. To me this is quite different than Jesus teaching regarding the leadings of the spirit of love, mercy, forgiveness and compassion (and humility) -- quite absolute values! From Dale Shultz's letter to those who raised concerns about the ministry's unrighteous behavior: "Whether the decision is right or wrong, the right thing for all of us is to respect it because of those who have made the judgement." Cult 101. Equating man with God. Emy, Is Dale saying in this letter that obeying the workers i s more important than listening to the spirit of God to our hearts??? Or is he saying that the workers judgements ARE Gods judgements even when they may be wrong? Or was the message that 'wrong' becomes right for us, if the workers make that decision? Either way, it is one sick religion!! Note: Dale is one of the absolute top 2x2 leadership figures in Western North America today.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2013 8:56:57 GMT -5
Have you thought of the possibility that there is scriptural basis for that? At least for those who really are sent by God. Luke 10:16 “Whoever listens to you listens to me; whoever rejects you rejects me; but whoever rejects me rejects him who sent me.”Even Jesus himself didn't condemn those who didn't believe his words. He stood for principles, the principles of the kingdom of heaven. It was those principles, those words, that were to be obeyed. Not Jesus the person. To insist on obedience to something that is wrong is arrogant and foolish. Jesus did not do that. John 12:44 Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me. 45 And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me. 46 I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness. 47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. 48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. 49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. 50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak. Thankfully, Paul didn't respect Peter's wrong decisions/behavior and ask others to accept it but instead confronted him publicly.
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May 29, 2013 11:10:51 GMT -5
Post by snow on May 29, 2013 11:10:51 GMT -5
There is only one religion, and that religion is love. All of what they represent, everything every 'Master' has said, has been about love. The only question that needs to be asked when dealing with these things and when talking about these people that are making less than loving choices, is 'what would love do now'? These men are humans who have forgotten what they truly are, which is love. When we forget that, we do things in unloving ways. There needs to be compassion for those who are acting in ways that are unloving. It's not a peaceful place to be when we have to always protect and defend our beliefs. There is no need for protection or defense when our beliefs are all ways aligned with love.
Having said that, we also have to consider the 'culture' that one lives in. We all do the best we can given the circumstances of our life and the learnings that life has brought to us. An example is my father. I always felt I fell short and let him down because I couldn't be a member of his belief system. He did many things that were at the surface, unloving, but I know that he did all of those 'unloving' things with a very deep felt love for me based on what he knew or believed to be true. He was a product of his 'culture' the 2x2 system. So are they. Actually so are all of us in a sense. Many of us that have moved on see life through a different 'filter' now. But it all needs to come back to the place of where Jesus, Buddha, Krishna etc said we come from, and what we are, unconditional love. Easy to do? Not on your life! Necessary? Absolutely!
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2013 12:14:39 GMT -5
There is only one religion, and that religion is love. All of what they represent, everything every 'Master' has said, has been about love. The only question that needs to be asked when dealing with these things and when talking about these people that are making less than loving choices, is 'what would love do now'? These men are humans who have forgotten what they truly are, which is love. When we forget that, we do things in unloving ways. There needs to be compassion for those who are acting in ways that are unloving. It's not a peaceful place to be when we have to always protect and defend our beliefs. There is no need for protection or defense when our beliefs are all ways aligned with love. Having said that, we also have to consider the 'culture' that one lives in. We all do the best we can given the circumstances of our life and the learnings that life has brought to us. An example is my father. I always felt I fell short and let him down because I couldn't be a member of his belief system. He did many things that were at the surface, unloving, but I know that he did all of those 'unloving' things with a very deep felt love for me based on what he knew or believed to be true. He was a product of his 'culture' the 2x2 system. So are they. Actually so are all of us in a sense. Many of us that have moved on see life through a different 'filter' now. But it all needs to come back to the place of where Jesus, Buddha, Krishna etc said we come from, and what we are, unconditional love. Easy to do? Not on your life! Necessary? Absolutely! Well written snow -- Sadly a major portion of religion is instead just an excuse to replace this beautiful love, with unadulterated egoism. The topic of this thread is an example of this.
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Post by snow on May 29, 2013 12:55:35 GMT -5
There is only one religion, and that religion is love. All of what they represent, everything every 'Master' has said, has been about love. The only question that needs to be asked when dealing with these things and when talking about these people that are making less than loving choices, is 'what would love do now'? These men are humans who have forgotten what they truly are, which is love. When we forget that, we do things in unloving ways. There needs to be compassion for those who are acting in ways that are unloving. It's not a peaceful place to be when we have to always protect and defend our beliefs. There is no need for protection or defense when our beliefs are all ways aligned with love. Having said that, we also have to consider the 'culture' that one lives in. We all do the best we can given the circumstances of our life and the learnings that life has brought to us. An example is my father. I always felt I fell short and let him down because I couldn't be a member of his belief system. He did many things that were at the surface, unloving, but I know that he did all of those 'unloving' things with a very deep felt love for me based on what he knew or believed to be true. He was a product of his 'culture' the 2x2 system. So are they. Actually so are all of us in a sense. Many of us that have moved on see life through a different 'filter' now. But it all needs to come back to the place of where Jesus, Buddha, Krishna etc said we come from, and what we are, unconditional love. Easy to do? Not on your life! Necessary? Absolutely! Well written snow -- Sadly a major portion of religion is instead just an excuse to replace this beautiful love, with unadulterated egoism. The topic of this thread is an example of this. My thoughts are that religions have become more about what 'people' think God wants. This is so diverse that it does involve the egos in the end because there is a need to protect our beliefs for the very reason what we believe is very important to us and therefore needs defending. Religions have been 'set up' to try and convince others that they need that particular religion to be saved. This is serious stuff in most people minds if they believe there could be such a state as 'not saved'. So while egos are definitely involved, so is love in a twisted kind of way. Also, the more people we can get to believe what we believe, the more comfortable we feel about what we believe is the truth. jmt.
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May 29, 2013 13:46:11 GMT -5
Post by quizzer on May 29, 2013 13:46:11 GMT -5
SD, here's a question that I often wonder about: Is it even possible to follow the principles Jesus taught and have a worldwide fellowship organization? The overseers are trying hard to keep the fellowship united, and to protect the organization it seems necessary to be dishonest and ruthless. sacerdotal, fixit, we're all professing folks here and, maybe, you can ask the workers about this. I've had one elder explain this, and he got it from the brother workers. There's a Bible verse in the New Testament about ruthless men grabbing hold of [something - I think it's fellowship]. This verse is used to explain why the workers HAVE to be so tough on the friends and on anyone beneath them. It shows that they're earning God's favor or something. I'm thinking the 2x2s just don't understand the verse (and I can't find it at this time). You folks ever hear this one? Apparently, it's available if you ask.
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May 29, 2013 13:55:25 GMT -5
Post by snow on May 29, 2013 13:55:25 GMT -5
SD, here's a question that I often wonder about: Is it even possible to follow the principles Jesus taught and have a worldwide fellowship organization? The overseers are trying hard to keep the fellowship united, and to protect the organization it seems necessary to be dishonest and ruthless. sacerdotal, fixit, we're all professing folks here and, maybe, you can ask the workers about this. I've had one elder explain this, and he got it from the brother workers. There's a Bible verse in the New Testament about ruthless men grabbing hold of [something - I think it's fellowship]. This verse is used to explain why the workers HAVE to be so tough on the friends and on anyone beneath them. It shows that they're earning God's favor or something. I'm thinking the 2x2s just don't understand the verse (and I can't find it at this time). You folks ever hear this one? Apparently, it's available if you ask. So they are just doing the 'tough love' thing?
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May 29, 2013 14:23:30 GMT -5
Post by sharingtheriches on May 29, 2013 14:23:30 GMT -5
From Dale Shultz's letter to those who raised concerns about the ministry's unrighteous behavior: "If our attitude towards them becomes disrespectful, it is a reflection on our attitude towards God as well." "Whether the decision is right or wrong, the right thing for all of us is to respect it because of those who have made the judgement." Cult 101. Equating man with God. "Some particular men"! This is just the top layer of the corruption that has brewed amongst the 2x2's for the whole inception of it! Workers being placed above others, worshipped, idolized and venerated above others who were just as worthy if not more so! Can we not see the hand of God in bringing out the truth of what the "truth" has covered in it secret palaces?
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May 29, 2013 14:36:47 GMT -5
Post by sharingtheriches on May 29, 2013 14:36:47 GMT -5
SD, here's a question that I often wonder about: Is it even possible to follow the principles Jesus taught and have a worldwide fellowship organization? The overseers are trying hard to keep the fellowship united, and to protect the organization it seems necessary to be dishonest and ruthless. As long as there are humans within the fellowships, there will be human weaknesses, of course, of varying degree. The friends are the ones who have created these monsters that sit in the seat of Moses as far as the 2x2 fellowsip is concerned. The proud men are just a symptom of a greater illness. I had a very strange experience today...we had an woman that has lived here in this retirement center just under 5 years. She celebrated her 100th birthday on Feb. 15 of this year. We knew she'd fallen several times, sometimes being so bruised up it was pitiful. These falls increased in number and severity. Turned out she had calcium deposits so bad around her mitral valve in her heart that it would stick open and this brought a blackout.....she fell the other day and banged her head up real bad...and before we got her to the doctor, she fell again and landed with her foot under her and broke both bones in her ankle.....she was in the orthopedic floor of one of the large hospitals here until yesterday afternoon. They'd moved her to the hospice floor. She called for the neighbor here that'd helped her a lot this morning real early. Within minutes of arriving at her bedside...she looked at him and asked him if he forgave her. He naturally said yes but wasn't sure what she was wanting him to forgive her for...we figure it was for demanding so much out of him in the last weeks....he said then she told him that she'd asked God to let her die. After getting his forgiveness, she took one last breath and died. Now my point in this is that "fellowshipping" is not necessary for people to "call on God, or worship Him.".....this woman had not darkened a church's door in years...she seemed to agree with some of us, that IF you want to meet an hypocrit, then go to some church/fellowship! This woman apparently was approved of God for He did give her her last wish...... So perhaps fellowshipping is good for exhortation and learning but when it comes down to men using their powers over and against someone else, they are NOT God's servants.....He hates that kind of trespassing!
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May 29, 2013 14:43:24 GMT -5
Post by sharingtheriches on May 29, 2013 14:43:24 GMT -5
Sometimes in order to change something we need to first be 'accepting' that it is happening. That may seem simplistic and in a way it is. You must be aware of something in order to change it and also accept that it exists. Then you can think about it clearly and make changes. If we are just aware of it, we can still find ways of denying it or avoiding it, but once we accept that it truly does exist, then we can look at it, analyze it and figure out what the best thing to do is. The workers have probably done the first, become aware, but they haven't accepted that it is something they are doing that is causing the problems. They are still in 'blame/victim' mode where it is others who are not 'hearty' or the internet that is causing their problems. At some point they need to accept that the way they are running their 'non organization', is just not conducive to the things they are supposed to be portraying such as love, compassion etc. Snow, the internet IS causing them problems.....they've behaved this way for nearly 120 years and got by because they'd kept their minions unknowing of their dirty deeds by denying them radios, TV's and other modes of communications that cover the world....they have fought people doing anything more then emails between the church members and the workers. They've not been happy that people have gotten their computers and they've encountered more openness even of the evil things then radios or tv's could give...... The workers ARE NOT interested in changing...they've had a "kingdom" while on earth and they've given into the position and power and the love of money is the root of all evil. I would have never thought that the workers that I've known most of my life and some of them even before they became workers would become so full of evil, so full of power and bigheadedness!
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May 29, 2013 14:47:42 GMT -5
Post by fixit on May 29, 2013 14:47:42 GMT -5
sacerdotal, fixit, we're all professing folks here and, maybe, you can ask the workers about this. I've had one elder explain this, and he got it from the brother workers. There's a Bible verse in the New Testament about ruthless men grabbing hold of [something - I think it's fellowship]. This verse is used to explain why the workers HAVE to be so tough on the friends and on anyone beneath them. It shows that they're earning God's favor or something. I'm thinking the 2x2s just don't understand the verse (and I can't find it at this time). You folks ever hear this one? Apparently, it's available if you ask. Is this the verse you had in mind Quiz? Matthew 11:12 And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.
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May 29, 2013 14:53:50 GMT -5
Post by sharingtheriches on May 29, 2013 14:53:50 GMT -5
Cult 101. Equating man with God. Have you thought of the possibility that there is scriptural basis for that? At least for those who really are sent by God. Luke 10:16 “Whoever listens to you listens to me; whoever rejects you rejects me; but whoever rejects me rejects him who sent me.”Emy! IT isn't asking people to worship them, now is it? Remember what Jesus said when he told the people that the Pharisees and scribes were sitting in Moses' seat and they were demanding people do what they themselves were not willing to do and that they were not even willing to help the people who's load was so great and grievious....and yes he slso told them to do what those "rulers" did and thus what was it going to do for those "rulers"? It was going to bring the wrath of God down on their head....remember all the "woes" that Jesus called upon the heads of the Pharisees and scribes? Even at that Jesus did tell those people to "worship" those Pharisees and scribes.....
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May 29, 2013 15:03:37 GMT -5
Post by sharingtheriches on May 29, 2013 15:03:37 GMT -5
sacerdotal, fixit, we're all professing folks here and, maybe, you can ask the workers about this. I've had one elder explain this, and he got it from the brother workers. There's a Bible verse in the New Testament about ruthless men grabbing hold of [something - I think it's fellowship]. This verse is used to explain why the workers HAVE to be so tough on the friends and on anyone beneath them. It shows that they're earning God's favor or something. I'm thinking the 2x2s just don't understand the verse (and I can't find it at this time). You folks ever hear this one? Apparently, it's available if you ask. Is this the verse you had in mind Quiz? Matthew 11:12 And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force. IF this is the verse workers are using to approve their behaviours then they do misinterpret the bible. Jesus was speaking about those who sought to take the kingdom of Heaven by force....this goes with the verses in Revs. of the war that was fought in heaven...when Satan and his angels were eventually tossed out of the kingdom of Heaven......so IF this verse applies to the workers, one should stop and consider that since they're on earth doing this that perhaps they're not God's servants at all...but belong to those group of angels tossed out of heaven and as time goes on we're not going to see love conquer this, but see that it will get more stringent and more and more common for oppressing those who allow the workers anything to do with them.....yes, the fellowship will explode one of these days with people waking up and seeing where Satan has used someone to turn people away from God by pretending to be God's servants. Satan can actually say that he is one of God's angels, for God made him....now didn't He?
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May 29, 2013 15:19:30 GMT -5
Post by snow on May 29, 2013 15:19:30 GMT -5
Sometimes in order to change something we need to first be 'accepting' that it is happening. That may seem simplistic and in a way it is. You must be aware of something in order to change it and also accept that it exists. Then you can think about it clearly and make changes. If we are just aware of it, we can still find ways of denying it or avoiding it, but once we accept that it truly does exist, then we can look at it, analyze it and figure out what the best thing to do is. The workers have probably done the first, become aware, but they haven't accepted that it is something they are doing that is causing the problems. They are still in 'blame/victim' mode where it is others who are not 'hearty' or the internet that is causing their problems. At some point they need to accept that the way they are running their 'non organization', is just not conducive to the things they are supposed to be portraying such as love, compassion etc. Snow, the internet IS causing them problems.....they've behaved this way for nearly 120 years and got by because they'd kept their minions unknowing of their dirty deeds by denying them radios, TV's and other modes of communications that cover the world....they have fought people doing anything more then emails between the church members and the workers. They've not been happy that people have gotten their computers and they've encountered more openness even of the evil things then radios or tv's could give...... The workers ARE NOT interested in changing...they've had a "kingdom" while on earth and they've given into the position and power and the love of money is the root of all evil. I would have never thought that the workers that I've known most of my life and some of them even before they became workers would become so full of evil, so full of power and bigheadedness! Yes STR I know the internet is causing them problems. But they are not accepting that these problems are caused by themselves. If they were not exclusive, controlling, judgmental etc. the internet would have no power because there would be no need to expose something that didn't exist. They need to accept that it is their behavior that is causing them problems before they can make any changes. I would agree with you that they do not want to make any changes and that they are happy with their little 'kingdom' and therefore they are aware of problems, but not accepting that they are the cause for the problems so therefore they can place the blame on others and the internet etc.
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May 29, 2013 16:30:18 GMT -5
Post by Greg on May 29, 2013 16:30:18 GMT -5
It is common knowledge that these Canadian workers regard themselves as the exclusive spokesmen of God ( because of their 2x2 'worker' status)-- and thus what they say represents God on the earth and cannot be questioned by friends or lesser people of lower rank before God. It is quite dishonest to deny this aspect of their teaching -- If this isn't the expectation of worship --- what is?? Obey those that have the rule over you.
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May 29, 2013 18:13:12 GMT -5
Post by fixit on May 29, 2013 18:13:12 GMT -5
Obey those that have the rule over you. Who has the rule over you Greg? The Vietnamese had to choose between the native workers who labored for them for many years through blood sweat and tears - or the foreign workers who were gone during the difficult years and came back to take control.
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May 29, 2013 19:23:36 GMT -5
Post by Greg on May 29, 2013 19:23:36 GMT -5
Obey those that have the rule over you. Who has the rule over you Greg? The Vietnamese had to choose between the native workers who labored for them for many years through blood sweat and tears - or the foreign workers who were gone during the difficult years and came back to take control. Definitely not the workers. Assorted governments, I guess. Whether you see the F&W fellowship as God's creation or the workers' creation, they are in charge. They have the rule.
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May 29, 2013 20:04:23 GMT -5
Post by dmmichgood on May 29, 2013 20:04:23 GMT -5
Cult 101. Equating man with God. "Some particular men"! This is just the top layer of the corruption that has brewed amongst the 2x2's for the whole inception of it! Workers being placed above others, worshipped, idolized and venerated above others who were just as worthy if not more so! Can we not see the hand of God in bringing out the truth of what the "truth" has covered in it secret palaces?
Actually,no- I don't see the "hand of God" bringing out the truth about the "TRUTH."
I see the "hand of the Internet" bringing out the truth of the the "TRUTH."
Where was "God" for a hundred years + some that he to allowed the "TRUTH to continue?
Why did "God" even allow men to start the "TRUTH" to begin with?
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May 29, 2013 22:08:38 GMT -5
Post by snow on May 29, 2013 22:08:38 GMT -5
"Some particular men"! This is just the top layer of the corruption that has brewed amongst the 2x2's for the whole inception of it! Workers being placed above others, worshipped, idolized and venerated above others who were just as worthy if not more so! Can we not see the hand of God in bringing out the truth of what the "truth" has covered in it secret palaces?
Actually,no- I don't see the "hand of God" bringing out the truth about the "TRUTH."
I see the "hand of the Internet" bringing out the truth of the the "TRUTH."
Where was "God" for a hundred years + some that he to allowed the "TRUTH to continue?
Why did "God" even allow men to start the "TRUTH" to begin with?
Good question. I sure could have done without it in my early life. I agree, awareness and the internet are exposing the Truth. Not necessarily in that order.
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May 29, 2013 23:27:56 GMT -5
Post by fixit on May 29, 2013 23:27:56 GMT -5
Actually,no- I don't see the "hand of God" bringing out the truth about the "TRUTH."
I see the "hand of the Internet" bringing out the truth of the the "TRUTH."
Where was "God" for a hundred years + some that he to allowed the "TRUTH to continue?
Why did "God" even allow men to start the "TRUTH" to begin with?
God "allowed" Pharisees among the Children of Israel in Jesus day. Why should we expect him to not "allow" Pharisees today?
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Just a short post this morning as there are a number of other things that are putting a claim on my time !! But I had a very very enlightening (quite long) Skype chat early this morning with a very helpful and knowledgeable (professing) man that presently is in the states. This man has just returned from Vietnam where he spent 10 years as an English teacher. He seems well acquainted with all the workers and friends involved in the present mess, and although he is clearly very much of a 'system supporter' was very helpful and hearty and helpful towards me.
One important detail I wish to put straight as quickly as I can, is that it seems it is not Dales Shultz that has been the prime mover as far as 2x2 policy decisions in that field (as it seemed in Bau's letter)--- It is Dales younger brother Lyle Shultz (also from Saskatchewan originally but has spent the most of his life in the work in India) that has claimed 2x2 administrative control in the country (a field that evidently includes countries like Laos and Cambodia as well).
I'll post a more descriptive account of the history and development of the difficulties as he has explained them to me, as soon as I have more time.
Edgar
Many thanks to a member of this board -- 'shipwreckedsailor' that via PM has put me in contact with this helpful man.
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May 30, 2013 1:27:33 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on May 30, 2013 1:27:33 GMT -5
Just a short post this morning as there are a number of other things that are putting a claim on my time !! But I had a very very enlightening (quite long) Skype chat early this morning with a very helpful and knowledgeable (professing) man that presently is in the states. This man has just returned from Vietnam where he spent 10 years as an English teacher. He seems well acquainted with all the workers and friends involved in the present mess, and although he is clearly very much of a 'system supporter' was very helpful and hearty and helpful towards me. One important detail I wish to put straight as quickly as I can, is that it seems it is not Dales Shultz that has been the prime mover as far as 2x2 policy decisions in that field --- It is his younger brother Lyle Shultz (also from Saskatchewan originally )that has spent the most of his life in the work in India that has taken over 2x2 administrative control in the country (a field that evidently includes countries like Laos and Cambodia as well). I'll post a more descriptive account of the history and development of the difficulties as he has explained them to me, as soon as I have more time. Edgar Many thanks to a member of this board -- 'shipwreckedsailor' that has put me in contact with this helpful man now in Colorado Thanks for that Edgar. We look forward to more information on these difficulties. Sorting it out will surely be helpful for people who are involved. Who gave the authority to LS to assume administrative control of that country? Did your source indicate that DT was once the chief worker there? Did he mention reasons that MG is now in Laos?
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May 30, 2013 2:55:49 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on May 30, 2013 2:55:49 GMT -5
yeah --- hand of the internet mr fixit some here call it **** vegie knowledge ****
didnt steve jobs go looking for a cure for his easily curable pancreatic cancer on the internet? smart man -- dumb move. dont many mothers go looking up the internet about vaccines and autism? smart women --- dumb outbreaks of every disease we thought we conquered dont many look up 911 conspiracies on the internet? --- smart people getting dumber every day
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