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Post by irvinegrey on May 9, 2013 10:07:56 GMT -5
My book, “ Two by Two” the Shape of a Shapeless Movement will be published on 10th June and some online sellers are already taking orders in advance. www.bookdepository.co.uk/Two-by-Two-Shape-Shapeless-Movement-Irvine-Grey/9780957539006It will also be available from a number of Christian bookshops in Ireland. The book contains the full content of my thesis, “Two by Two” – the Shape of a Shapeless Movement for which I was awarded the degree of Master of Philosophy by Queen’s University, Belfast, Northern Ireland in December 2012 following my research into the history, sociology and theology of the 2x2 movement. The book will be launched at a number of venues in Ireland starting on 18th June In Nenagh, Co Tipperary and ending 26th June in Ballynahinch Co Down in a total of six venues. More details on www.irvinegrey.com
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Post by philsmiley on May 10, 2013 8:35:59 GMT -5
My book, “ Two by Two” the Shape of a Shapeless Movement will be published on 10th June and some online sellers are already taking orders in advance. www.bookdepository.co.uk/Two-by-Two-Shape-Shapeless-Movement-Irvine-Grey/9780957539006It will also be available from a number of Christian bookshops in Ireland. The book contains the full content of my thesis, “Two by Two” – the Shape of a Shapeless Movement for which I was awarded the degree of Master of Philosophy by Queen’s University, Belfast, Northern Ireland in December 2012 following my research into the history, sociology and theology of the 2x2 movement. The book will be launched at a number of venues in Ireland starting on 18th June In Nenagh, Co Tipperary and ending 26th June in Ballynahinch Co Down in a total of six venues. More details on www.irvinegrey.comI have to admit I feel slightly annoyed and misguided. I was never made aware from the outset that this was going to be published into a book. The communication was always for a "Thesis" for a Masters. Yet this is what is now stated: "..when I embarked upon this research I never intended that my thesis would sit on a library shelf and be only read by a few. I always wanted my work to glorify God and lead to the extension of His kingdom."
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Post by Greg on May 10, 2013 12:47:38 GMT -5
My book, “ Two by Two” the Shape of a Shapeless Movement will be published on 10th June and some online sellers are already taking orders in advance. www.bookdepository.co.uk/Two-by-Two-Shape-Shapeless-Movement-Irvine-Grey/9780957539006It will also be available from a number of Christian bookshops in Ireland. The book contains the full content of my thesis, “Two by Two” – the Shape of a Shapeless Movement for which I was awarded the degree of Master of Philosophy by Queen’s University, Belfast, Northern Ireland in December 2012 following my research into the history, sociology and theology of the 2x2 movement. The book will be launched at a number of venues in Ireland starting on 18th June In Nenagh, Co Tipperary and ending 26th June in Ballynahinch Co Down in a total of six venues. More details on www.irvinegrey.comI have to admit I feel slightly annoyed and misguided. I was never made aware from the outset that this was going to be published into a book. The communication was always for a "Thesis" for a Masters. Yet this is what is now stated: "..when I embarked upon this research I never intended that my thesis would sit on a library shelf and be only read by a few. I always wanted my work to glorify God and lead to the extension of His kingdom." Did you contribute something that you did not want made "too" public?
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Post by sgw on May 10, 2013 16:12:44 GMT -5
I too feel misled by Irvine Grey. (in that contributions to an academic thesis become a money making venture. Does the book acknowledge the contributions made?
The preamble on the website sounds negative. Does it glorify God to run down a small denomination/sect like this?
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2013 5:23:06 GMT -5
I too feel misled by Irvine Grey. (in that contributions to an academic thesis become a money making venture. Does the book acknowledge the contributions made? The preamble on the website sounds negative. Does it glorify God to run down a small denomination/sect like this? SGW I think we need to be careful here. I met with Irvine voluntarily at his request and in full knowledge of what he was doing and the reasons why he had invited me there. I doubt very much that I had anything useful to contribute but the idea that I was somehow misled into contributing to his academic research is something I would strongly refute. Irvine has always been clear that he intended to publish his work. If he has chosen to publish it in the form of a book then I think that is to be welcomed as it is in a form that is much more likely to be accessible to a wider audience than an academic paper. Academic papers tend to turn non-academics off. I recently commissioned some research for the purposes of providing some background to a government publication which was due to be published and made available to the wider public; despite clear instructions otherwise, the paper provided was in a format that only an academic would make sense of and consequently it wasn’t included. Most of the 2x2’s I knew read books; not many read academic papers. The fact that a charge is being made for the book is hardly surprising. As Irvine points out, the profits are not being used for his personal gain. I should also point out that Irvine kindly paid for lunch and my rather large glass of Merlot so when it comes to money making exercises I reckon I got the best part of the deal. One suggestion I would make is that the book is also made available in eBook format as soon as possible so that it can be discreetly read by young people during the upcoming Irish Conventions and discussed in the safety and security of the dormitories. I haven’t read the book and will reserve judgment until I have (or at least until I have read the review by Dubious Disciple), however at no time during my conversation with Irvine did I get the impression that he was intent on running down the 2x2’s. Neither did I get the impression that those in the senior ranks of the work in Ireland were being uncooperative in their dealings with him which indicates to me that they did not get that impression either. Of course there will likely be much in the book which 2x2’s may find uncomfortable reading or which they may not agree with however I am confident that those responsible for awarding the Masters of Philosophy are able to tell the difference between academic research and a piece of anti-two-by-two propaganda. I think we should therefore reserve judgment at least until we read the book. As regards your point about acknowledging contributions I can only speak for myself. I certainly do not wish to be acknowledged as a contributor in any way that would allow me to be identified as having any connection whatsoever to the two-by-two movement. Finally, in case you think I’m some sort of undercover Irvine Grey propagandist , be aware that there is much I disagree with Irvine on. For a start I don’t believe any academic research should claim to be for the glory of God. Academic research and one’s personal religious beliefs should be kept strictly separate in my view and to link the two causes me to suspect the independence of the work. I also think it is a mistake to state that the profits will go towards ‘the spread of the gospel of Jesus Christ’, particularly in Africa. The relief of poverty is a worthy cause of course, but poverty relief for vulnerable communities tied into the promotion of one’s personal religious beliefs, definitely not. I certainly want to read the book but I do not wish to contribute towards the promotion of a religion based solely on some dubious ancient much translated and mistranslated texts or towards efforts that that promote the existence of a God that exists only in the minds of those who believe in it and whose adherents claim loves you and cares for you when the evidence clearly indicates that he does not. If the Christian God gave even the faintest hoot then the continent of Africa wouldn’t be in the sorry and desperate state it’s currently in and has been in since Christianity first arrived. If I do arrive at a book launch sporting a beanie hat and dark glasses, I will be looking for an assurance from Mr Grey that the profits from the purchase of my copy of the book will go to a different charitable cause. I have heard that Tommy Gamble is planning to pack his bag(s) and depart his headquarters in Lisburn for good and go forth to Dublin without scrip or shoes, healing the sick and raising the dead on the way. I might request that My Grey uses the profits from the sale of my book to purchase Mr Gamble a one way ticket for the Belfast-Dublin express. I expect there will be many who will be glad to be at the station to see him off. Matt10
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2013 5:43:51 GMT -5
I have heard that Tommy Gamble is planning to pack his bag(s) and depart his headquarters in Lisburn for good and go forth to Dublin without scrip or shoes, healing the sick and raising the dead on the way. I might request that My Grey uses the profits from the sale of my book to purchase Mr Gamble a one way ticket for the Belfast-Dublin express. I expect there will be many who will be glad to be at the station to see him off. Matt10
Not a very nice thing to write; seems like you have a lot of hatred stored up in your heart. Not good brother, not good, it can destroy the soul.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2013 6:14:38 GMT -5
Steady Partaker, don't take it too seriously. There may be an element of irony engaged in here which the Irish posters on this board who know the man will appreciate. I certainly hope you didn't think that the 11.3% of people who indicated in the poll that they wanted to beat Tommie Gamble with a stick not so long ago, really wanted to beat him with a stick did you?
Just for interest may I ask which particular part of what I wrote do you think is not very nice? I'm really struggling here. Is your issue with the claim that many will be glad to see him off? Or that I'm suggesting he should take the bus? Or that offering to pay his fare is not a worthy cause? Or that the Matthew 10 link is unfair? I get a sense that there's a deeper issue bothering you here other than the state of my soul. Matt10
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2013 7:08:24 GMT -5
Steady Partaker, don't take it too seriously. There may be an element of irony engaged in here which the Irish posters on this board who know the man will appreciate. I certainly hope you didn't think that the 11.3% of people who indicated in the poll that they wanted to beat Tommie Gamble with a stick not so long ago, really wanted to beat him with a stick did you? Just for interest may I ask which particular part of what I wrote do you think is not very nice? I'm really struggling here. Is your issue with the claim that many will be glad to see him off? Or that I'm suggesting he should take the bus? Or that offering to pay his fare is not a worthy cause? Or that the Matthew 10 link is unfair? I get a sense that there's a deeper issue bothering you here other than the state of my soul. Matt10 I do not detect any lighthearted humour in what you have written; what I see is mean-spirited sarcasm, spitting venom; but maybe I could be misinterpreting your post. If I am, I apologise unreservedly.
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Post by Claire on May 11, 2013 7:30:37 GMT -5
Partaker .. it's an Irish humour thing. Must admit I'd prefer to see Matt10 in a beany hat.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2013 7:40:17 GMT -5
I do not detect any lighthearted humour in what you have written; what I see is mean-spirited sarcasm, spitting venom; but maybe I could be misinterpreting your post. If I am, I apologise unreservedly. Goodness partaker, we’ve gone from not very nice, not good, hatred and destruction of the soul ….. to mean-spirited sarcasm and spitting venom in the space of an hour. And all over a gag about a bus ticket? I guess I’ll leave it to my fellow countrymen to decide whether I have grossly offended the nation and, if I haven't, I'll gladly accept your apology. Matt10
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2013 7:44:07 GMT -5
Partaker .. it's an Irish humour thing. Must admit I'd prefer to see Matt10 in a beany hat. I see the jury has returned much sooner than expected and caught me on the hop. Partaker, your apology is accepted unreservedly. Regards. Matt10
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2013 7:51:14 GMT -5
Partaker .. it's an Irish humour thing. Must admit I'd prefer to see Matt10 in a beany hat. Claire, if you can get yerself along to the booklaunch in Ballynahinch you may well see me in a beany hat. By the way I went to see Katy Carr last night in Belfast. I hadn't been in a room with so many Polish people since I was last in Poland. Check her out at www.katycarr.com Matt10
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2013 11:21:42 GMT -5
Partaker .. it's an Irish humour thing. Must admit I'd prefer to see Matt10 in a beany hat. I see the jury has returned much sooner than expected and caught me on the hop. Partaker, your apology is accepted unreservedly. Regards. Matt10 No problem and no hard feelings, OK? Take good care of Harold McKnight for me.
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Post by irvinegrey on May 22, 2013 14:41:52 GMT -5
My book, “Two by Two” - the Shape of a Shapeless Movement: A Study of a Religious Movement Started in Ireland in 1897 by William Irvine and Edward Cooney is now on sale in some bookshops. Yesterday and today I delivered supplies to Faith Mission Bookshops, Real Life, Enniskillen and ICM Books. The book will be officially launched at a number of venues in Ireland from 18th to 25th June for more details see my website. www.irvinegrey.com/
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Post by irvinegrey on Jun 8, 2013 9:15:49 GMT -5
The launch venues at 7.30 each evening are confirmed as: Tuesday 18th June Abbey Court Hotel, Nenagh Wednesday 19th June Ardfallen Methodist Church, Cork Thursday 20th June Litton Hall, Leeson Park Methodist Church, Dublin Saturday 22nd June Jethro Centre, Lurgan Tuesday 25th June Darling Street Methodist Church, Enniskillen Wednesday 26th June Ballynahinch Methodist Church More information on www.irvinegrey.com
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Post by irvinegrey on Jun 13, 2013 10:41:46 GMT -5
I have had a pm from one who ordered my book from the Book Depository who subsequently cancelled the order because of the lack of supply. I have been in contact with The Book Depository confirming that the one of the wholesalers they use can supply any number of copies. If you are having difficulties please pm and I will give you some guidance.
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Post by irvinegrey on Jun 17, 2013 1:01:27 GMT -5
I have had several private messages saying that there is difficulty getting my book, Two by Two the Shape of a Shapeless Movement from various online suppliers. You can order directly from my website, www.irvinegrey.com and regardless of what country you live in you can order from the UK button and I will handle any additional postage costs. It is also available on Amazon from ICM Books and Irvinegrey.
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Post by irvinegrey on Jul 4, 2013 15:05:48 GMT -5
Following the book launch demand for the book has been steady and supplies are limited. The book is available from: Faith Mission Bookshops Burning Bush Bookshop, Dungannon Real Life Bookshop, Enniskillen and Cavan Footprints, Dublin and Dun Laoghaire ICM Books, near Lurgan www.irvinegrey.com
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Post by irvinegrey on Jul 15, 2013 8:07:16 GMT -5
I am encouraged by the sales figures for Two by Two the Shape of a Shapeless Movement being fed back to me from the various sales outlets as well as a steady flow of orders to my own website, www.irvinegrey.com. I welcome feedback from readers, critical or otherwise directly to me at irvinegrey@yahoo.co.uk.
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Post by irvinegrey on Oct 20, 2013 7:19:41 GMT -5
Demand for Two by Two the Shape of a Shapeless Movement has been buoyant in Ireland and especially in County Fermanagh where the little bookshop in Dublin road has sold almost 60, together with a substantial number at the book launch in Enniskillen. In addition there have been a large number of orders directly to my website www.irvinegrey.com. I am amazed at the large number of orders from the US, Canada, Australia and New Zealand. However, in the last week or so I have become aware of another book, The Certainty of the Unexpected written by and English lady, Pamela Ruth Stewart. I received a copy in the post on Friday and after the first few pages could not stop reading until I finished this roller-coaster of a read. Pamela tells her story with sensitivity and without recrimination and it is certainly a good and illuminating read. For further information see: thelibertyconnection.info/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=384:stewart-pamela-ruth&catid=5:recent-exit-stories&Itemid=6
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Post by irvinegrey on Oct 13, 2014 8:31:06 GMT -5
A few weeks ago in a coffee bar in Portadown, Co Armagh I spoke briefly with a senior worker and his young companion. He admitted that he had looked at my book and I extended an invitation to meet over a coffee and discuss his views on what I have written. He showed little enthusiasm so I left them my card with my contact details and await a response.
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Post by christiansburg on Oct 13, 2014 10:41:58 GMT -5
A few weeks ago in a coffee bar in Portadown, Co Armagh I spoke briefly with a senior worker and his young companion. He admitted that he had looked at my book and I extended an invitation to meet over a coffee and discuss his views on what I have written. He showed little enthusiasm so I left them my card with my contact details and await a response. We need to learn to discuss what we believe in. Don't know why it can't be talked about. I have shown it to a number of our friends here and at least two workers here. As you know I read you book and studied it for several months then prepared my critique which has probably moved to about page 45 on this site. If you see our workers again invite them to read my comments.
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Post by irvinegrey on Oct 13, 2014 15:24:50 GMT -5
I have yet to have any 2x2 in Ireland or the United Kingdom who has read the book offer to discuss it or make an attempt contradict my conclusion. I am always open to offers to sit down and have a calm and meaningful discussion.
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Post by irvinegrey on Jan 5, 2015 14:03:08 GMT -5
In just over eighteen months since my book, Two by Two the Shape of a Shapeless Movement first appeared. With an initial print run of 1500 I am down to under 200 left. Many have been taken up in Ireland but a considerable number to the USA, Canada, Australia and New Zealand.
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Post by irvinegrey on Jan 31, 2016 14:13:53 GMT -5
Orders for Two by Two the Shape of a Shapeless Movement continue to roll in with one from Tennessee and one from Oregon a few days ago. The Real Life bookshop in Ennniskillen, Co Fermanagh has sold over 80 and placed an order for a further supply. Co Fermanagh was very active in the early days of the movement and I think it would be a case that there are still more 2x2s per capita in Fermanagh than anywhere else. www.irvinegrey.com
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Post by Lee on Feb 4, 2016 12:16:54 GMT -5
I liked your book. I have a couple copies to loan. I'd buy it.
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Post by irvinegrey on Feb 7, 2016 12:11:27 GMT -5
Thanks Lee, another order this morning, this time from Texas!
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Post by CherieKropp on Feb 7, 2016 13:03:51 GMT -5
In just over eighteen months since my book, Two by Two the Shape of a Shapeless Movement first appeared. With an initial print run of 1500 I am down to under 200 left. Many have been taken up in Ireland but a considerable number to the USA, Canada, Australia and New Zealand. Have you run out of the first printing? Have you reprinted your book? If so, did you make any revisions?
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