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Post by pinky on Jan 20, 2013 23:15:21 GMT -5
There's plenty of online chatter about this latest situation, but how well known is it amongst the friends in Vic and SA? Are people talking? Are people outraged? Asking questions of the workers? Voting with their feet? What about Steve and his family? Their lives must be turned upside down.  Are they still attending the fellowship? Do they have love and support in this difficult time? Does anyone know Steve or the family personally? Are they aware the situation has been discussed openly online? Does Steve know he has a lot of folks who believe he did the right thing, and despair at the leadership and their decisions? (Yet mostly being former members, they are powerless to make a difference?) |
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Post by aussiesteve on Jan 21, 2013 2:57:04 GMT -5
There's plenty of online chatter about this latest situation, but how well known is it amongst the friends in Vic and SA? Are people talking? Are people outraged? Asking questions of the workers? Voting with their feet? What about Steve and his family? Their lives must be turned upside down. Are they still attending the fellowship? Do they have love and support in this difficult time? Does anyone know Steve or the family personally? Are they aware the situation has been discussed openly online? Does Steve know he has a lot of folks who believe he did the right thing, and despair at the leadership and their decisions? (Yet mostly being former members, they are powerless to make a difference?) Where is all the chatter occurring? I have been looking for details on the circumstances around this event but can't find nothing. I would love to be pointed to the forum/board where it is all happening as I have family in the field where David Leitch is serving.. |
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Post by menatwork on Jan 21, 2013 4:01:37 GMT -5
I think the grapevine has been in overdrive lately, with many people aware of the sacking of Steve. However most would not be aware of the real reason and would just accept that it has happened as part of the managing of workers. However I sense that there is an increasing number of friends and elders who are very upset that Steve has been sacked for raising allegations of CSA against a senior worker. The friends are getting sick and tired of the arrogant way in which David Leitch is behaving and will not tolerate any more cover up of the truth.
I am amazed that DL is acting this way when a Royal Commission into CSA has been called with wide terms of reference that will include investigation of the way in which the f&w church has dealt with CSA by the workers.
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Post by pinky on Jan 21, 2013 7:43:40 GMT -5
AussieSteve, there are a couple of threads on the TMB which have been discussing SS, and it's also mentioned on the BTS board.
That was what I was referring to.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2013 7:52:58 GMT -5
Interesting ... but I don't know what its all about. If it is the same Steve Shultz that I know --- A nephew to Dale Shultz --- from southern Saskatchewan??
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2013 9:22:32 GMT -5
Interesting ... but I don't know what its all about. If it is the same Steve Shultz that I know --- A nephew to Dale Shultz --- from southern Saskatchewan?? This is occurring in South Australian and Victoria Australia. Parents live there. Unlikely of a connection but you might know the family better. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2013 9:48:43 GMT -5
Thanks clearday --- Calvin Shultz (Dale and Lyles youngest brother) from southern Saskatchewan has two boys in the work -- Robby and Steve .. My sister and her husband have just left to visit Robby that is in Argentina .. The other brother Steve has apparently left for somewhere else, and I can't seem to find out where.
Somewhat of a coincidence in names!!
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Post by ScholarGal on Jan 21, 2013 10:05:37 GMT -5
Dale Shulz doesn't have the letter "t" in his name.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2013 10:17:50 GMT -5
Dale Shulz doesn't have the letter "t" in his name. Thanks. That probably settles it. Now the next question. Is this family related to the daughter of Bill Carroll? I believe she became May Schul(t?)z. I'm not sure if there would be any relevance at any rate. She wrote several of the hymns in HO&N but is listed as "Schultz" on the TTT. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2013 10:21:40 GMT -5
Dale Shulz doesn't have the letter "t" in his name. We Californians pronounce it with the 't' and have never looked at the spelling to see that isn't right~ |
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Post by Greg on Jan 21, 2013 10:39:45 GMT -5
This photo shows a brother worker charged with dozens of CSA cases. Yet he looks so pure and spiritual in this photo, eh? Dozens? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2013 11:01:24 GMT -5
Dale Shulz doesn't have the letter "t" in his name. Sorry!! I didn't notice that!! |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2013 11:32:24 GMT -5
This photo shows a brother worker charged with dozens of CSA cases. Yet he looks so pure and spiritual in this photo, eh? Dozens? If one dozen = 12, dozens suggests multiples of 12. Wow!! 24, 36, 48? Gosh he must have been very randy.   or is this a terrible exaggeration. |
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Post by ScholarGal on Jan 21, 2013 11:56:36 GMT -5
If one dozen = 12, dozens suggests multiples of 12. Wow!! 24, 36, 48? Gosh he must have been very randy. or is this a terrible exaggeration. Change the wording to "allegedly committed", and the number is probably no exaggeration. The number of alleged offenses is probably much greater than the number of offenses confessed, charged, or convicted. But alas, in the land down under it is still considered unacceptable to report worker crimes to the police. The Aussies fear losing their places in the work or attending meetings if they file a report. |
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Post by sharonw on Jan 21, 2013 12:21:31 GMT -5
If one dozen = 12, dozens suggests multiples of 12. Wow!! 24, 36, 48? Gosh he must have been very randy. or is this a terrible exaggeration. Change the wording to "allegedly committed", and the number is probably no exaggeration. The number of alleged offenses is probably much greater than the number of offenses confessed, charged, or convicted. But alas , in the land down under it is still considered unacceptable to report worker crimes to the police. The Aussies fear losing their places in the work or attending meetings if they file a report.[/quote] The friends having fear of the workers will indeed be the very reason that the fellowship will continue to collapse. The only way the friends have to save their preferred Sun. a.m. mtgs and maybe convs. is to stick to the real truth regardless. Plus they need to come to the understanding that NO man can prevent them from the grace of God...only themselves can do that! |
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Post by fixit on Jan 21, 2013 13:18:54 GMT -5
But alas, in the land down under it is still considered unacceptable to report worker crimes to the police. The Aussies fear losing their places in the work or attending meetings if they file a report. They're also afraid of losing the meetings from their homes. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2013 16:02:13 GMT -5
Clearday, in answer to your question, May Carroll married Dolph Schultz, not related to the family that Steve Shulz comes from. May,s Son David also was a Worker.
Strange you mention Bill Carroll, as I feel current problems perhaps have a connection back to that era. We remember the division in the church after Bill Carroll's death, where we had 2 seperate meetings, 2 seperate conventions, 2 groups of workers. Willie Donaldson was brought in to put it back together again. However I think there has remained a division between workers, a conservative group (ex Carroll), a reform group ( came to Victoria).
This is causing a division, and the inconsistency in the way workers are treated re CSA.
DL would be very much a conservative.
They need another Willie Donaldson to sort things out.
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Post by brissiegirl on Jan 21, 2013 16:09:22 GMT -5
Change the wording to "allegedly committed", and the number is probably no exaggeration. The number of alleged offenses is probably much greater than the number of offenses confessed, charged, or convicted. But alas, in the land down under it is still considered unacceptable to report worker crimes to the police. The Aussies fear losing their places in the work or attending meetings if they file a report. Scholargirl is right, this man has dozens of victims who he sexually violated as young girls. Many were under 10. Ugh, totally disgusting sick old man. He's the bloke in the second top line, far right. But there are other known sexual predators in that same photo, too. We know who many of the victims are. If one of them (only one!) had not gone to police, he would still be preaching and molesting young girls today. Because only one (1) victim had the guts to report him, he was able to escape gaol. If no other victim finds the courage, he will soon be reinstated and probably back preaching. Come on victims, show this creep he has not taken all your power. Stand up and show you're not afraid of them! |
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Post by jondough on Jan 21, 2013 16:38:29 GMT -5
If this is true, its an absolute SHAME! SHAME ON ANYONE THAT IS AWARE OF THIS AND IS NOT DOING SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
What we need is a crackdown on not just the perpetrator, but also those that are aware of it, and not pursuing it. If it’s the parents…send them to jail! If it’s the overseer – send them to jail! If it’s a companion – send them to jail!
I’ll pitch in for the Attorney!
THIS HAS GOT TO STOP! The only way its going to is with this kind of a crackdown!
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Post by fixit on Jan 21, 2013 16:55:13 GMT -5
There are a lot of posts on TMB that would deter victims from reporting these criminals.
Add to that the shame that has been heaped on the brave victim who reported EB, and the intimidation of potential witnesses.
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Post by brissiegirl on Jan 21, 2013 17:01:49 GMT -5
There are a lot of posts on TMB that would deter victims from reporting these criminals. Add to that the shame that has been heaped on the brave victim who reported EB, and the intimidation of potential witnesses. Bring on the royal commission then. Fixit you seem to know a lot about it all. Tell them all you know. Stand up for us. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2013 17:13:18 GMT -5
We should try not to get too emotional. The man second top line, far right has been to court,copted 6months gaol sentence. With a bit of help was able to manoeuvre out and not serve.
The person Steve Schulz spoke to Alan Kitto about has not been identified.
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Post by Greg on Jan 21, 2013 17:24:53 GMT -5
Here is another suggestion.... Do NOT welcome the workers to stay in your homes who, support CSA workers in the work.... Let them know you LOVE them but can't support CSA workers in the work for the safety of your children! Who are they? |
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Post by jondough on Jan 21, 2013 17:39:05 GMT -5
We should try not to get too emotional. The man second top line, far right has been to court,copted 6months gaol sentence. With a bit of help was able to manoeuvre out and not serve. The person Steve Schulz spoke to Alan Kitto about has not been identified. I still am not sure exactly what he did? But I do get a bit emotional when it comes to children. There's no excuse! I understand they may not be able to control their urge (sic). But if they had any conscience whatsoever, they would request that they not be put in the position where they could perpetuate such a crime. This is human decency! This is much worse than punching someone in the face just because one feels the urge! This is crime against children! They are ruining a child's life before it even starts! I have no respect for those that stand by and let it happen. They are spineless people with no conscience themselves! This just burns me! I think all the friends in that area need to get a bit more emotional! Maybe then, enablers like David Leitch would think twice about giving someone that does have a conscience the boot. STEP UP PEOPLE - FOR THE SAKE OF THE FELLOWSHIP! A tree is known by its fruit. This fruit is not just rotten, its poisonous! |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2013 17:50:06 GMT -5
Here is another suggestion.... Do NOT welcome the workers to stay in your homes who, support CSA workers in the work.... Let them know you LOVE them but can't support CSA workers in the work for the safety of your children! Who are they? That's the sticky wicket. Maybe an overall boycott of all workers staying in your home until this is sorted out? Now that would be interesting! |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2013 17:59:54 GMT -5
That's the sticky wicket. Maybe an overall boycott of all workers staying in your home until this is sorted out? Now that would be interesting! I believe Greg's point was, how do you know? Question them at the door? How honest can they afford to be if they think they will be removed from the work if they don't support the overseer? I have no clue how the workers in my field feel about the proper way to handle these things, how would the folks in the area know? Maybe I'm overlooking something obvious, like they already know how each worker feels and then, support only those who support getting the police involved. |
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Post by ScholarGal on Jan 21, 2013 18:30:46 GMT -5
NOT all workers but only those who you know support the CSA workers in the work. The friends want to protect their children. I believe workers want to bring their PEACE spirits into your homes NOT spirits of wickedness. I believe Greg's point was, how do you know? Some of the workers have abused enough people that the gossip grapevine has issued warnings. These are the cases where a boycott is most needed to make a statement. I was about 12 years old when the gossip grapevine (a girl in my field) first warned me about suspicious behavior of a brother worker in my state. The man was quietly put out of the work shortly after that, and my mother had no idea why when I mentioned the case to her about 20 years later. |
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Are they still attending the fellowship? Do they have love and support in this difficult time?
or is this a terrible exaggeration.
