|
Atheism
Nov 29, 2012 15:09:44 GMT -5
Post by rational on Nov 29, 2012 15:09:44 GMT -5
I take my chance in believing and KNOWING My Lord God and Savior Jesus any day! I am glad for you. [/color]Do you think you spirit/soul he temperature sensitive? Cooler climate is the word - the higher you go the colder you get! [/quote]
|
|
|
Atheism
Nov 29, 2012 15:59:38 GMT -5
Post by jondough on Nov 29, 2012 15:59:38 GMT -5
What do you think of all those American Patriots that killed your people Nathan? It was HELL on both sides. War is HELL. The Americans and the Vietnamese people were duped by the US shadow government, who killed President Kennedy for thinking of pulling ALL Americans soldiers out of Vietnam in 1963. Well, if it wasn't for the War in Vietnam, Over 3 millions Vietnamese and myself would NOT be able to come and live in America, so all work together for good at the end. Their children have a better life, than they did back in VN. I am greatful for 50,000 American service men and women, who died over there.Nathan, You have an unbelievably good attitude! I agree with you that all things work for the good....I wish I had half your zeal! Keep it up Brother....Your an inspiration!
|
|
|
Atheism
Nov 29, 2012 16:00:43 GMT -5
Post by dmmichgood on Nov 29, 2012 16:00:43 GMT -5
I have encountered this phrase often, someone argues, "have been an atheist once also," but now, of course, they believe!
Usually when they are running out of facts.
Truth is, they never were an atheist! They had never thought the issue through & became an atheist!
They were only trying to unravel what to believe. That isn't atheism.
dmmichgood, I'd be interested in knowing exactly what brought anyone on this board who claims to be atheist to that point of denying a higher power(God) and exactly what you believe to be a valid beginning/cause of everything that exists. to start with, for me at least, it isn't a matter of "denying" any higher power- it is that I don't see any evidence for the necessity to believe in one. I have looked at many religions & saw nothing to even slightly convince me that there is a higher power called god.
I also looked at the psychology of human beings & been able to understand why they feel a need for something higher than themselves.
There are many reasons for this- once our brains developed to where we were able to remember what happened in the past & use that as a template for what would probably happen in the future & converse with other humans, we begin asking those BIG QUESTIONS about life.
We want to believe in an "intentional" world (because we are intentional beings & don't like chaos- it causes us to be anxious) So if we don't see the "intention" behind a happening, we invent one!
example: " I was caught up in traffic & missed my flight but God was looking out for me because that fight went down over the ocean & all passengers were killed." Never mind the fact that 300 other people died. God SAVED ME! As I told nathan, I don't know the answers to everything-but I'm satisfied with NOT knowing.
I would rather rely on the ability of science, because it is self correcting, to learn how things really are than to rely on any broken down myth! (and which myth would I choose to believe?)
To me, every new scientific discovery is fascinating!
|
|
|
Atheism
Nov 29, 2012 20:20:44 GMT -5
Post by dlb5674 on Nov 29, 2012 20:20:44 GMT -5
dmmichgood, I'd be interested in knowing exactly what brought anyone on this board who claims to be atheist to that point of denying a higher power(God) and exactly what you believe to be a valid beginning/cause of everything that exists. to start with, for me at least, it isn't a matter of "denying" any higher power- it is that I don't see any evidence for the necessity to believe in one. I have looked at many religions & saw nothing to even slightly convince me that there is a higher power called god.
I also looked at the psychology of human beings & been able to understand why they feel a need for something higher than themselves.
There are many reasons for this- once our brains developed to where we were able to remember what happened in the past & use that as a template for what would probably happen in the future & converse with other humans, we begin asking those BIG QUESTIONS about life.
We want to believe in an "intentional" world (because we are intentional beings & don't like chaos- it causes us to be anxious) So if we don't see the "intention" behind a happening, we invent one!
example: " I was caught up in traffic & missed my flight but God was looking out for me because that fight went down over the ocean & all passengers were killed." Never mind the fact that 300 other people died. God SAVED ME! As I told nathan, I don't know the answers to everything-but I'm satisfied with NOT knowing.
I would rather rely on the ability of science, because it is self correcting, to learn how things really are than to rely on any broken down myth! (and which myth would I choose to believe?)
To me, every new scientific discovery is fascinating!
Thanks for your response.
|
|
|
Atheism
Nov 29, 2012 20:48:49 GMT -5
Post by Lee on Nov 29, 2012 20:48:49 GMT -5
So you would want to be God so long as you were dominant over the other gods? I said GODDESS! YOU know, a female!
WOW can't you even envision a woman as goddess?
Get with it, this is the is not the 1900's when women didn't have a choice to be anything but a housewife, teacher, nurse, (like me) or stenographer!
and, no, unlike your biblical god, I wouldn't make any commandments that said no one could have any goddess's (or gods) other than me, nor call my name in vain. etc. etc.
Nor would they have to bow down before me. ;D
Why do ye try me by what thou dost not believe?
|
|
|
Atheism
Nov 29, 2012 21:13:01 GMT -5
Post by dmmichgood on Nov 29, 2012 21:13:01 GMT -5
I said GODDESS! YOU know, a female!
WOW can't you even envision a woman as goddess?
Get with it, this is the is not the 1900's when women didn't have a choice to be anything but a housewife, teacher, nurse, (like me) or stenographer!
and, no, unlike your biblical god, I wouldn't make any commandments that said no one could have any goddess's (or gods) other than me, nor call my name in vain. etc. etc.
Nor would they have to bow down before me. ;D
Why do ye try me by what thou dost not believe? Pardon?- I thought you asked me! Didn't I answer you to your satisfaction?
|
|
|
Atheism
Nov 29, 2012 22:25:11 GMT -5
Post by Lee on Nov 29, 2012 22:25:11 GMT -5
Why do ye try me by what thou dost not believe? Pardon?- I thought you asked me! Didn't I answer you to your satisfaction?You were first to intimate your theist bone. It's an improvement over your romance with the idea we created ourselves like we're just out here, with neither tether nor bookends. As Rational might say, "Man has no soul, neither within him nor as may be sustained from without him", and thus homo sapien is likely to be a passing phenomenon. It's interesting what the traditionalist Christian and the atheist hold in common. I'm sorry that you must feel like you have to be "tethered with bookends" in order to what? - keep from falling apart? -flying off into the ether?
I've never felt more centered & stabilized than I am now.
I don't have any romance with the idea "we created ourselves".
If I'd had anything to say about it I would change a lot of things about us,
1) I would not nave had one brain just built on top of the other, beginning with a reptilian brain.
2) I would have reinforced our spinal column to be more substantial to carry our upright stature so we wouldn't have such back pain (and at the same time made our abdominal muscles stronger for the same reason.
3) I would have set our eyes more to the sides of our heads so we would have a wider view around us for safety.
4) I wouldn't have left that pesky appendix, that we really don't use (it is a leftover from some previous being). It just gets inflamed & causes problems.
5) I would have a much, much easier & less painful way to have a baby! WOW, that's a biggie!- but I would have retained the pouch other animals have to carry their young.
I'm sure I could think of more but right now I'm tired.
Cheers!
Am I in Ur?
|
|
|
Atheism
Nov 30, 2012 1:52:20 GMT -5
Post by ghost on Nov 30, 2012 1:52:20 GMT -5
Simple questions, simple answers Nathan.Why we are here? Because our parents had intercourse about nine months before we were born. Where we are going after death? To be recycled. 1) Here's my take on the two questions.... Why? we are here on planet earth. God put us here through our parents (small bang ;D) to know and receive Jesus as our Lord God and Savior. ~~ 31 million light yrs away NASA Hubble sent us a picture of Calvary's Cross from far, far away in deep space! .... Watch at ( 43:30-38) www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbTMT6SCn3Y&feature=relatedI Peter 1:19,20 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a Lamb without blemish and without spot: Who, verily was chosen before the Foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you. who by him do believe in God, that rasied him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God. 2) Where we are going after death? Going to Heaven or Hell the choice is up to us.~~ A pastor's Near death experience of Heaven, Hell and Angels www.youtube.com/watch?v=MA7mtcJ748U&feature=relatedThese are not YOUR answers Nathan. These are answers given by others that you blindly repeat. What are YOUR personal answers, based on YOUR PERSONAL experiences - not on the things you heard or you read or you fantasized about .... Of course later in the discussion you give the the reason you don't have PERSONAL answers ... Thanks, for asking your questions.... Hindus, Muslims and Jews and catholics, 2x2s All believe in God/Supreme Beings but each group sees Him differently. Just like four blind men trying to describe what elephant looks like, by the touching the animal with their hands, standing at different places. So Nathan. Now that you established your own blindness, please tell us the degree of it. Judging by your posts I would say that it is deep black or 100%. And don't try to persuade us that YOUR description of the elephant - based on the descriptions of all the other blind men on your side - is the correct one. Maybe there is no elephant at all ...
|
|
|
Atheism
Nov 30, 2012 2:00:29 GMT -5
Post by Greg on Nov 30, 2012 2:00:29 GMT -5
Any Chaldeans around? Mention Abraham's name - maybe use Abram - determine if anyone looks your way. I'm assuming you know you are not in Israel.
|
|
|
Atheism
Nov 30, 2012 3:02:18 GMT -5
Post by ghost on Nov 30, 2012 3:02:18 GMT -5
And my answer Nathan ...
Four brothers left home for college, and they became successful doctors and lawyers. One evening, they chatted after having dinner together. They discussed the 95th birthday gifts they were able to give their elderly mother who moved to Florida ...
The first said, "You know I had a big house built for Mama." The second said, "And I had a large theater built in the house." The third said, "And I had my Mercedes dealer deliver an SL600 to her." The fourth said, "You know how Mama loved reading the Bible and you know she can't read anymore because she can't see very well. I met this preacher who told me about a parrot who could recite the entire Bible. It took ten preachers almost 8 years to teach him. I had to pledge to contribute $50,000 a year for five years to the church, but it was worth it. Mama only has to name the chapter and verse, and the parrot will recite it."
The other brothers were impressed. After the celebration Mama sent out her "Thank You" notes.
She wrote: "Milton , the house you built is so huge that I live in only one room, but I have to clean the whole house. Thanks anyway." "Marvin, I am too old to travel. I stay home; I have my groceries delivered, so I never use the Mercedes. The thought was good. Thanks." "Michael, you gave me an expensive theater with Dolby sound and it can hold 50 people, but all of my friends are dead, I've lost my hearing, and I'm nearly blind. I'll never use it. Thank you for the gesture just the same." "Dearest Melvin, you were the only son to have the good sense to give a little thought to your gift. The chicken was delicious. Thank you so much." Love, Mama
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Atheism
Nov 30, 2012 13:16:16 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2012 13:16:16 GMT -5
Nathan, Insteresting answers. I assume then you consider yourself the fifth blind man trying to understand what God is really like and that this explains why you also have a different view than the other four. Or could it be that you are the only one who truly knows what God is really like and the other four are the only blind ones? Or could it be that the likes of Rat, dmmichgood and me are the fully sighted ones and it is us who really understand the true nature of God? I'm amused that you reckon God has chosen you, rather than me, to help others to believe in him. I wonder what it is that you think God has seen in you that he hasn't seen in me that persuaded him to choose you as his vessel? Or is it a lottery whom God chooses and that your choosing is merely a random choice? I wonder if you think that those Hindus, Muslims, Jews and Catholics who believe in their version of God are also chosen by God? Or is it just people like you who believe as you do that God chooses as his vessels? Matt10 God has called and chosen MANY vessels in EVERY generation, whom He has revealed His Truth and Way to NOT just ONLY me. There are MANY on this TMB. The Lord has called Isaiah, Jeremiah, Paul, John the Baptist from their birth to be his chosen vessels. (Isa. 49:1; Jeremiah 1:5) Paul wrote in Gal. 1:15 When it pleased God, who set me apart from my mother's womb and called me by his grace. God does the choosing! and the choice is up to us to obey or NOT. When we refuse God's call, He just pick another person/s to be his chosen vessels to carry on His work. God wants the gospel of Salvation that Jesus lived and taught to His apostles and followers to continue on until the end. Therefore, God will call and chosen MANY vessels in every generation, He gives them the SAME understanding that His Son and the apostles, so those who follow after them can continue the same gospel work in their own generation. Nathan I don't think you answered any of the questions. Why is it that you who claim not to be blind, have such difficulty providing answers to questions while those whom you claim to be blind (such as dmichgood and rational) seem to have no difficulty providing answers to questions? How does that support your claim that you are the sighted one and they are the blind? What is it that persaudes you that you are less blind than me? Matt10
|
|
|
Atheism
Nov 30, 2012 13:49:30 GMT -5
Post by dmmichgood on Nov 30, 2012 13:49:30 GMT -5
Pardon?- I thought you asked me! Didn't I answer you to your satisfaction? You were first to intimate your theist bone. I'm sorry that you must feel like you have to be "tethered with bookends" in order to what? - keep from falling apart? -flying off into the ether?
I've never felt more centered & stabilized than I am now.
I don't have any romance with the idea "we created ourselves".
If I'd had anything to say about it I would change a lot of things about us,
1) I would not nave had one brain just built on top of the other, beginning with a reptilian brain.
2) I would have reinforced our spinal column to be more substantial to carry our upright stature so we wouldn't have such back pain (and at the same time made our abdominal muscles stronger for the same reason.
3) I would have set our eyes more to the sides of our heads so we would have a wider view around us for safety.
4) I wouldn't have left that pesky appendix, that we really don't use (it is a leftover from some previous being). It just gets inflamed & causes problems.
5) I would have a much, much easier & less painful way to have a baby! WOW, that's a biggie!- but I would have retained the pouch other animals have to carry their young.
I'm sure I could think of more but right now I'm tired.
Cheers!
Am I in Ur?[/quote] I don't know where you are. Your profile says California-is there an "UR" some where in CA?
Or you lost? & don't know where you are?
Afraid I can't help you out on that one!
|
|
|
Atheism
Nov 30, 2012 13:57:52 GMT -5
Post by jondough on Nov 30, 2012 13:57:52 GMT -5
I have a question for the Atheists,
Do you believe that we have a soul?
If you don't. Can you explain the experiences of those that have actually died and come back to life? They explain about being in a tunnel, and seeing the light, etc, there is much more. I am caused to believe that their stories are true due to the fact that all the ones I have heard are very similar. All the ones that I have heard that have gone through this experience VERY MUCH believe there is life after death.
You could say they were dreaming, but why would they all have the same dream? I remember as a kid, hearing a similar experience by one of our Sister Workers - Charlotte Brown who died of cancer. I hardly remember the story, just vaguely ( I wonder if anyone else on this board has heard the story?).
I'm interested to hear what you feel is an explanation for all this.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Atheism
Nov 30, 2012 14:17:28 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2012 14:17:28 GMT -5
I have a question for the Atheists, Do you believe that we have a soul? Jondough, I think that first you need to clarify what it is that you mean by a 'soul' e.g. what is the nature of it, what form does it take, how does it manifest itself, what is its function, how is it created, whether it is wholly dependent on the body or can exist independently of the body etc. Matt10
|
|
|
Atheism
Nov 30, 2012 14:33:52 GMT -5
Post by jondough on Nov 30, 2012 14:33:52 GMT -5
I have a question for the Atheists, Do you believe that we have a soul? Jondough, I think that first you need to clarify what it is that you mean by a 'soul' e.g. what is the nature of it, what form does it take, how does it manifest itself, what is its function, how is it created, whether it is wholly dependent on the body or can exist independently of the body etc. Matt10 Yes, you have described it correctly. Its what is left when we leave our carnal bodies behind. The form is spiritual. Its who we really are, without our human traits that make us up as a carnal human being.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Atheism
Nov 30, 2012 14:57:17 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2012 14:57:17 GMT -5
Jondough, I think that first you need to clarify what it is that you mean by a 'soul' e.g. what is the nature of it, what form does it take, how does it manifest itself, what is its function, how is it created, whether it is wholly dependent on the body or can exist independently of the body etc. Matt10 Yes, you have described it correctly. Did I really? Goodness. Remind me .... how did I describe it again? Matt10
|
|
|
Atheism
Nov 30, 2012 15:06:38 GMT -5
Post by dmmichgood on Nov 30, 2012 15:06:38 GMT -5
I have a question for the Atheists, Do you believe that we have a soul? If you don't. Can you explain the experiences of those that have actually died and come back to life? They explain about being in a tunnel, and seeing the light, etc, there is much more. I am caused to believe that their stories are true due to the fact that all the ones I have heard are very similar. All the ones that I have heard that have gone through this experience VERY MUCH believe there is life after death. You could say they were dreaming, but why would they all have the same dream? I remember as a kid, hearing a similar experience by one of our Sister Workers - Charlotte Brown who died of cancer. I hardly remember the story, just vaguely ( I wonder if anyone else on this board has heard the story?). I'm interested to hear what you feel is an explanation for all this. First of all, in those experiences they did NOT die!
If they had died, they wouldn't be back here telling us of their experience!
Secondly, their experiences are similar because all our brains are much the same in many ways & as the body gets less & less oxygen it tends to react in the same way: tunnel, light at the end, etc.
There is a lot written on the subject: Near Death Experiences
|
|
|
Atheism
Nov 30, 2012 15:20:32 GMT -5
Post by dmmichgood on Nov 30, 2012 15:20:32 GMT -5
Nathan I don't think you answered any of the questions. Why is it that you who claim not to be blind, have such difficulty providing answers to questions while those whom you claim to be blind (such as dmichgood and rational) seem to have no difficulty providing answers to questions? How does that support your claim that you are the sighted one and they are the blind? What is it that persuades you that you are less blind than me? Matt10 To answer your questions: Through my own testimony with MY Creator/s and these videos below! show My Creator handiworks in the Universe, the heavens, and on the earth... I don't believe in big Bang theory or Evolution theory. ~~ DNA - God's amazing programming; evidence for his existence.www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBeCxKzYiIA&feature=related~~ God Of Wonders! snow flakes, tiny seed becomes 300 feet tall treewww.youtube.com/watch?v=wxFm0Mqr-Us&feature=related~~~100 Reasons Why Evolution is So Stupid www.youtube.com/watch?v=Up-0E4Qetfg Oh Nathan! Not all those videos again!
Videos made by fundamentalists Christian baloney makers!
Are you afraid to look at any videos that will give you some facts?
I just finished a one on evolution by Edward J. Larson from the University of Georgia.
He explains the history of the Evolution Controversy very well.
I'll loan it to you if you would like, postage free. It is one of the courses from The Teaching Company.
|
|
|
Atheism
Nov 30, 2012 15:42:54 GMT -5
Post by jondough on Nov 30, 2012 15:42:54 GMT -5
First of all, in those experiences they did NOT die!
If they had died, they wouldn't be back here telling us of their experience!
Secondly, their experiences are similar because all our brains are much the same in many ways & as the body gets less & less oxygen it tends to react in the same way: tunnel, light at the end, etc.
There is a lot written on the subject: Near Death Experiences
I believe they describe them as clinically dead. I don't even claim to know the first thing about this, I was at a book store one time when a lady that had clinically died for quite some time and had come back was there explaining her experience. So that's all I really know about it. I don't really have an opinion of what they were experiencing when they went through it all. I can only tell you that this lady was sure that she was seeing the after-life. She supposedly went way beyond the tunnel and the light. I was just curious what you that don't believe there is an after-life thought about this.
|
|
|
Atheism
Nov 30, 2012 16:19:44 GMT -5
Post by dmmichgood on Nov 30, 2012 16:19:44 GMT -5
First of all, in those experiences they did NOT die!
If they had died, they wouldn't be back here telling us of their experience!
Secondly, their experiences are similar because all our brains are much the same in many ways & as the body gets less & less oxygen it tends to react in the same way: tunnel, light at the end, etc.
There is a lot written on the subject: Near Death Experiences
I believe they describe them as clinically dead. I don't even claim to know the first thing about this, I was at a book store one time when a lady that had clinically died for quite some time and had come back was there explaining her experience. So that's all I really know about it. I don't really have an opinion of what they were experiencing when they went through it all. I can only tell you that this lady was sure that she was seeing the after-life. She supposedly went way beyond the tunnel and the light. I was just curious what you that don't believe there is an after-life thought about this. Well, from my own experience as a nurse, I've never seen anyone be clinically dead & return to life.
The brain which produces those images of tunnel etc. dies very quickly without enough oxygen, other organs less quickly & in fact last longer.
But when the heart ceases to circulate the blood carrying oxygen soon everything dies.
There really is a wealth of info about NDE's out there that you can easily access on the Internet.
|
|
|
Atheism
Nov 30, 2012 17:01:13 GMT -5
Post by jondough on Nov 30, 2012 17:01:13 GMT -5
I believe they describe them as clinically dead. I don't even claim to know the first thing about this, I was at a book store one time when a lady that had clinically died for quite some time and had come back was there explaining her experience. So that's all I really know about it. I don't really have an opinion of what they were experiencing when they went through it all. I can only tell you that this lady was sure that she was seeing the after-life. She supposedly went way beyond the tunnel and the light. I was just curious what you that don't believe there is an after-life thought about this. Well, from my own experience as a nurse, I've never seen anyone be clinically dead & return to life.
The brain which produces those images of tunnel etc. dies very quickly without enough oxygen, other organs less quickly & in fact last longer.
But when the heart ceases to circulate the blood carrying oxygen soon everything dies.
There really is a wealth of info about NDE's out there that you can easily access on the Internet.Hmmm, it just seems strange to me that all our life we have dreams, and people even hallucinate, and they are all different, but in these experience of death or near death (NDE), they all see the same thing.....Maybe there is first hand proof of an after-life.....??
|
|
|
Atheism
Nov 30, 2012 17:13:07 GMT -5
Post by dmmichgood on Nov 30, 2012 17:13:07 GMT -5
Well, from my own experience as a nurse, I've never seen anyone be clinically dead & return to life.
The brain which produces those images of tunnel etc. dies very quickly without enough oxygen, other organs less quickly & in fact last longer.
But when the heart ceases to circulate the blood carrying oxygen soon everything dies.
There really is a wealth of info about NDE's out there that you can easily access on the Internet. Hmmm, it just seems strange to me that all our life we have dreams, and people even hallucinate, and they are all different, but in these experience of death or near death (NDE), they all see the same thing.....Maybe there is first hand proof of an after-life.....?? Well, of course since you believe in an after-life, you can believe in whatever fits your belief system if you want to
Often they also see angels in white around them.
Medical people in white maybe? the tunnel with light. the overhead surgical Or ER light, maybe?
some one telling them to go back. Often heard medical attendant saying "come on! You're are going to make it!"
|
|
|
Atheism
Nov 30, 2012 17:16:16 GMT -5
Post by dmmichgood on Nov 30, 2012 17:16:16 GMT -5
Oh Nathan! Not all those videos again!
Videos made by fundamentalists Christian baloney makers!
Are you afraid to look at any videos that will give you some facts?
I just finished a one on evolution by Edward J. Larson from the University of Georgia.
He explains the history of the Evolution Controversy very well.
I'll loan it to you if you would like, postage free. It is one of the courses from The Teaching Company. My videos are for ALL to see and enjoy not just the atheists. I am NOT afraid, how about find a video/s on U-Tube and post it on here about Evolution/Big Bang theories and let the readers decide for themselves.[/b] [/quote] That's a great idea, nathan!
right now though, I'v got to start my preps for "christmas" (solstice )
making candy, sending cards etc.
|
|
|
Atheism
Nov 30, 2012 17:17:46 GMT -5
Post by guitar on Nov 30, 2012 17:17:46 GMT -5
What do your cards say?
|
|
|
Atheism
Nov 30, 2012 17:51:39 GMT -5
Post by jondough on Nov 30, 2012 17:51:39 GMT -5
Hmmm, it just seems strange to me that all our life we have dreams, and people even hallucinate, and they are all different, but in these experience of death or near death (NDE), they all see the same thing.....Maybe there is first hand proof of an after-life.....?? Well, of course since you believe in an after-life, you can believe in whatever fits your belief system if you want to
Often they also see angels in white around them.
Medical people in white maybe? the tunnel with light. the overhead surgical Or ER light, maybe?
some one telling them to go back. Often heard medical attendant saying "come on! You're are going to make it!"nope, the lady I listened to was in a traffic accident so her experience wouldn't have been under surgical lights. She was pronounced dead at the site.
|
|
|
Atheism
Nov 30, 2012 17:52:11 GMT -5
Post by rational on Nov 30, 2012 17:52:11 GMT -5
dmg: How about Lararus, the follower of Jesus, who died and Jesus raised him back life to tell others about it. Did Lazarus actually, died and came back to life according to you? Did Saturn really drive a quadriga? Did Thor really have his magic hammer, Mjölnir? Asclepius raised people from the dead but really got on the wrong side of Zeus. It just depends on which story you want to believe. The question is - can you find external support for any of them?
|
|
|
Atheism
Nov 30, 2012 18:00:11 GMT -5
Post by dmmichgood on Nov 30, 2012 18:00:11 GMT -5
Well, of course since you believe in an after-life, you can believe in whatever fits your belief system if you want to
Often they also see angels in white around them.
Medical people in white maybe? the tunnel with light. the overhead surgical Or ER light, maybe?
some one telling them to go back. Often heard medical attendant saying "come on! You're are going to make it!" nope, the lady I listened to was in a traffic accident so her experience wouln't have been under surgical lights. She was pronounced dead at the site. A flash-lite shinning in her face?
A small falsh-lite shinning in her eyes to see if her pupils reacted?
Who pronounced her dead & didn't they try to revive her?
There are all these factors to consider.
That is why one needs to go into what really happens.
|
|
|
Atheism
Nov 30, 2012 18:51:50 GMT -5
Post by jondough on Nov 30, 2012 18:51:50 GMT -5
nope, the lady I listened to was in a traffic accident so her experience wouln't have been under surgical lights. She was pronounced dead at the site. A flash-lite shinning in her face?
A small falsh-lite shinning in her eyes to see if her pupils reacted?
Who pronounced her dead & didn't they try to revive her?
There are all these factors to consider.
That is why one needs to go into what really happens.These are not good explanations due to the fact that they all see simular things (including children) from completely different experiences. Some of them have been from a morge. Some were brain dead, which means their vision wouldn't have been working, nor their hearing. I will have to say that I am very much a skeptic, but...If I didn't believe in an after-life, and was investing solely on this life. This would all be very troubling.
|
|