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Atheism
Nov 28, 2012 6:41:43 GMT -5
Post by rational on Nov 28, 2012 6:41:43 GMT -5
Your wild banana might not nourish life but the man's banana in the video nourishes life. That's the one I am talking about. Only after man genetically modified it. Nope. Left alone, without man to genetically modify it, it remained a wild banana - poorly designed for food. Even the person in the video, Comfort, admitted he had made a mistake. The point is that you claimed the trillions of cells all worked together. You are wrong - that is not always the case. Tell that to the people who have been buried. So you are saying that god designed the body to fail?
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Atheism
Nov 28, 2012 6:43:08 GMT -5
Post by rational on Nov 28, 2012 6:43:08 GMT -5
What do we "hold in common"? That homo sapien is mostly likely to be a passing phenomenon. I would agree with this. Maybe good for a few million years.
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Atheism
Nov 28, 2012 13:40:02 GMT -5
Post by dmmichgood on Nov 28, 2012 13:40:02 GMT -5
I'm sorry that you must feel like you have to be "tethered with bookends" in order to what? - keep from falling apart? -flying off into the ether?
I've never felt more centered & stabilized than I am now.
I don't have any romance with the idea "we created ourselves".
If I'd had anything to say about it I would change a lot of things about us,
1) I would not nave had one brain just built on top of the other, beginning with a reptilian brain.
2) I would have reinforced our spinal column to be more substantial to carry our upright stature so we wouldn't have such back pain (and at the same time made our abdominal muscles stronger for the same reason.
3) I would have set our eyes more to the sides of our heads so we would have a wider view around us for safety.
4) I wouldn't have left that pesky appendix, that we really don't use (it is a leftover from some previous being). It just gets inflamed & causes problems.
5) I would have a much, much easier & less painful way to have a baby! WOW, that's a biggie!- but I would have retained the pouch other animals have to carry their young.
I'm sure I could think of more but right now I'm tired.
Cheers!
So you would have liked to have been God but you're not. What will you do about it? me? been God?
Mercy me! NO!
Been Goddess?
Well yes-Didn't you see the bit about having a baby?
God wasn't very considerate of we females!
A Goddess would surely have done a better job! ;D
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Atheism
Nov 28, 2012 15:09:58 GMT -5
Post by rational on Nov 28, 2012 15:09:58 GMT -5
~~ Yes, it wasn't part of God's plan for the human bodies to live forever. Paul wrote in (I Cor. 15:50-52) Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood can NOT inherit the kingdom of God; Well, that is what Paul thought. But where does it say it was god's plan? Some will not die? Where are these people? Or is it possible that Paul was looking for a faster return? Again, Paul's ideas but what about god?
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Atheism
Nov 28, 2012 15:12:25 GMT -5
Post by guitar on Nov 28, 2012 15:12:25 GMT -5
The men got a hard time too. Ladies have a hard birth, men toil in the field for there bread. All because of Adam and Eve.
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Atheism
Nov 28, 2012 15:31:20 GMT -5
Post by dmmichgood on Nov 28, 2012 15:31:20 GMT -5
The men got a hard time too. Ladies have a hard birth, men toil in the field for there bread. All because of Adam and Eve. Ah, there you go again!
Blaming Adam & Eve, the product created by a supposedly "all-knowing, all-powerful, all-present" being!
Wasn't a very good a creator was he, if he couldn't do job better than that!
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Atheism
Nov 28, 2012 15:34:45 GMT -5
Post by guitar on Nov 28, 2012 15:34:45 GMT -5
What if there was a reason that you couldn't understand.
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Atheism
Nov 28, 2012 15:52:09 GMT -5
Post by dmmichgood on Nov 28, 2012 15:52:09 GMT -5
What if there was a reason that you couldn't understand. I have quit believing the "made up" answers by persons who must have a reason for everything, even when they have to create the "reason" themselves.
That is the "God of the Gap" issue.
If you can't understand the reason for something, ex:
thunder-the god, Thor, pounding on his anvil.
You created a God of the Gap, Thor, to account for reason that it thunders.
When science comes to understand what really causes thunder, that God of the Gap, Thor dies. No one believes in him anymore
That is why there are multitudes of religions & myths throughout history & still today.
Just as the myth of Adam & Eve is still believed today by some people.
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Atheism
Nov 28, 2012 17:22:03 GMT -5
Post by guitar on Nov 28, 2012 17:22:03 GMT -5
a small bang.
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Atheism
Nov 28, 2012 18:47:14 GMT -5
Post by dmmichgood on Nov 28, 2012 18:47:14 GMT -5
Just as the myth of Adam & Eve is still believed today by some people. [/color][/quote] If Adam and Eve was a myth then, Where do you, your parents, grand parents and so on come from?
Do you have a theory or explanation? Please, no Big Bang theory.[/quote] Nathan! has no one told you the "birds & bees" story.
(Never mind, just kidding!)
No, not the "Big Bang." nor the Adam & Eve myth.
Nothing exploded & I was just spewed out with all the other stuff!
There are lots of myths of the beginning of human kind- Don't you just happen to believe in the biblical one because you were born into it rather than a Hindu, or native American myth?
I happen to believe that science can tell me more about what really happened than any myth can.
You know, that bad word,[b] "evolution"[/b] [/color]
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Atheism
Nov 28, 2012 20:33:57 GMT -5
Post by Lee on Nov 28, 2012 20:33:57 GMT -5
That homo sapien is mostly likely to be a passing phenomenon. I would agree with this. Maybe good for a few million years. That's quite a prediction given our near extinction pursuant of the Cuban Missile Crisis. What else does the atheist and the traditionalist Christian hold in common? That humankind is an exercise in futility.
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Atheism
Nov 28, 2012 21:06:58 GMT -5
Post by Dubious Disciple (xdc) on Nov 28, 2012 21:06:58 GMT -5
hmmmmm.... Evolution? When, What and Who started the evolution according to you? Nathan, what makes you think we should have all the answers?
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Atheism
Nov 28, 2012 21:12:50 GMT -5
Post by Lee on Nov 28, 2012 21:12:50 GMT -5
So you would have liked to have been God but you're not. What will you do about it? me? been God?
Mercy me! NO!
Been Goddess?
Well yes-Didn't you see the bit about having a baby?
God wasn't very considerate of we females!
A Goddess would surely have done a better job! ;DSo you would want to be God so long as you were dominant over the other gods?
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Atheism
Nov 28, 2012 21:16:16 GMT -5
Post by dmmichgood on Nov 28, 2012 21:16:16 GMT -5
hmmmmm.... Evolution? When, What and Who started the evolution according to you? Well, nathan, it certainly wasn't a tribal god in UR that couldn't seem to get his creation right!
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Atheism
Nov 28, 2012 21:16:29 GMT -5
Post by Lee on Nov 28, 2012 21:16:29 GMT -5
hmmmmm.... Evolution? When, What and Who started the evolution according to you? Nathan, what makes you think we should have all the answers? DD ... upon what basis do you think we should have any answers?
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Atheism
Nov 28, 2012 21:24:08 GMT -5
Post by Dubious Disciple (xdc) on Nov 28, 2012 21:24:08 GMT -5
Nathan, what makes you think we should have all the answers? DD ... upon what basis do you think we should have any answers? touche
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Atheism
Nov 28, 2012 21:29:12 GMT -5
Post by dmmichgood on Nov 28, 2012 21:29:12 GMT -5
So you would want to be God so long as you were dominant over the other gods? I said GODDESS! YOU know, a female!
WOW can't you even envision a woman as goddess?
Get with it, this is the is not the 1900's when women didn't have a choice to be anything but a housewife, teacher, nurse, (like me) or stenographer!
and, no, unlike your biblical god, I wouldn't make any commandments that said no one could have any goddess's (or gods) other than me, nor call my name in vain. etc. etc.
Nor would they have to bow down before me. ;D
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Atheism
Nov 28, 2012 23:08:23 GMT -5
Post by dmmichgood on Nov 28, 2012 23:08:23 GMT -5
Well, nathan, it certainly wasn't a tribal god in UR that couldn't seem to get his creation right! Well, you didn't answer the question. And, What do you mean by God couldn't get His creation, right? Can you give us three examples. Thanks. I believe I did give you the the answer: evolution
I also already gave you three or more examples:
Here is another:
Why would anyone, god or other wise, run a man's urethra right through the prostate gland so that as a man ages the prostate grows larger & impinges on the urethra causing undue pressure on the bladder & difficulty urinating?
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Atheism
Nov 29, 2012 2:30:14 GMT -5
Post by dmmichgood on Nov 29, 2012 2:30:14 GMT -5
I believe I did give you the the answer: evolution
I also already gave you three or more examples:
Here is another:
Why would anyone, god or other wise, run a man's urethra right through the prostate gland so that as a man ages the prostate grows larger & impinges on the urethra causing undue pressure on the bladder & difficulty urinating? You didn't tell us When or What started the evolution.
God doesn't man to live on this earth forever. If God gave man a body that work perfectly all the time then he wouldn't THINK about eternity. Old ages remind us we are here only temporarily! Earth is NOT our home but heaven/paradise is where we've resurrection bodies which live forever without ever dying again. Nathan, I don't know all the answers. but I OK with that!
And I don't need to fill my gap in knowledge with a God!
I'll leave the "god of the gaps" up to you to invent! Guess that is as good an excuse for a botched job as any!
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Atheism
Nov 29, 2012 9:18:56 GMT -5
Post by ghost on Nov 29, 2012 9:18:56 GMT -5
Thanks, I don't know or have all the answer either. We are in the same boat but we are here to find out some of the answers for ourselves. Hopefully, with the help from the Holy Spirit, He will provide us, the most important answer, why we are here and where are we going after death. Simple questions, simple answers Nathan.Why we are here? Because our parents had intercourse about nine months before we were born. Where we are going after death? To be recycled.
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Atheism
Nov 29, 2012 9:35:16 GMT -5
Post by rational on Nov 29, 2012 9:35:16 GMT -5
You didn't tell us When or What started the evolution. The fact that you have asked this question, and your comments in the past, indicates that you have little understanding of what evolution is other than from the distorted information presented on christian fundamentalists sites. But here is something else to consider: You seem to be clinging to the fact that life can only be created by some paranormal being. What will you do when someone decides to actually create a living organism? The fundamentals have been demonstrated already where a molecule was created that was capable of self reproduction. Right now it is easier and cheaper to use existing living things but should this change creating life is just around the corner. www.wired.com/wiredscience/2010/05/scientists-create-first-self-replicating-synthetic-life/www.economist.com/node/16163154
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Atheism
Nov 29, 2012 10:35:59 GMT -5
Post by rational on Nov 29, 2012 10:35:59 GMT -5
I don't believe in Evolution! Big Bang or Small bang theory. Just watch the 2 videos above your post that is why, I don't believe in Evolution! theory. Everything we see in heaven, earth, and below made by God the Father and Christ himself. (John 1:1-3; Hebrews 1:8-12) An interesting statement from someone who does not understand the current theory of evolution. Nathan, I am not interested in getting information from hacked together videos or videos of talking heads that have no supporting data for their claims. I provided you with links that will allow you to look at the actual peer reviewed papers rather than someone without credentials and without verifiable details. You can decide which source is more reliable. As you said, it is your belief and as such no logical or material evidence is required. But remember - people at one time 'knew' the earth was flat. Just like you 'know' life can only be created by a paranormal being. They were proved to be in error and you need to know what you will do when that day come regarding your belief.
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Nov 29, 2012 12:08:32 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2012 12:08:32 GMT -5
I don't believe in Evolution! Big Bang or Small bang theory. Just watch the 2 videos above your post that is why, I don't believe in Evolution! theory. Everything we see in heaven, earth, and below made by God the Father and Christ himself. (John 1:1-3; Hebrews 1:8-12) An interesting statement from someone who does not understand the current theory of evolution. Nathan, I am not interested in getting information from hacked together videos or videos of talking heads that have no supporting data for their claims. I provided you with links that will allow you to look at the actual peer reviewed papers rather than someone without credentials and without verifiable details. You can decide which source is more reliable. As you said, it is your belief and as such no logical or material evidence is required. But remember - people at one time 'knew' the earth was flat. Just like you 'know' life can only be created by a paranormal being. They were proved to be in error and you need to know what you will do when that day come regarding your belief. Nathan I wonder do you ever wonder why you are so easily convinced about the Christian God when people such as Rat, dmmichgood and me just don't get it? Do you ever wonder why all it takes is a video or a few lines from a book to convince you of things when others rely on things such as science and the laws of physics and evidence. Do you ever wonder why everyone can't see what you see and feel what you feel? Do you ever lie awake wondering why Hindus, Muslims and Jews and catholics don't all believe what you do given that what you claim to be truth seems so obvious? Do you think there is something deficient in the likes of Rat, dmmichgood and me what prevents us understanding as you do? Or do you think you have been granted some special insight or blessing or knowledge by the Christian God which is withheld from the rest of us? Or do you think your beliefs are what they are merely a result of your influences and experiences and you would just as likely believe something else had you been subjected to different experiences? How do you explain it? Matt10
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Atheism
Nov 29, 2012 13:10:10 GMT -5
Post by guitar on Nov 29, 2012 13:10:10 GMT -5
ive seen the little bang with my own eyes.
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Atheism
Nov 29, 2012 13:30:45 GMT -5
Post by dmmichgood on Nov 29, 2012 13:30:45 GMT -5
An interesting statement from someone who does not understand the current theory of evolution. Nathan, I am not interested in getting information from hacked together videos or videos of talking heads that have no supporting data for their claims. I provided you with links that will allow you to look at the actual peer reviewed papers rather than someone without credentials and without verifiable details. You can decide which source is more reliable. As you said, it is your belief and as such no logical or material evidence is required. But remember - people at one time 'knew' the earth was flat. Just like you 'know' life can only be created by a paranormal being. They were proved to be in error and you need to know what you will do when that day come regarding your belief. I take my chance in believing and KNOWING My Lord God and Savior Jesus any day!
I had been where you are, as an athetist.
I don't care for the HEAT, and Fire down below! I like to LIVE up in the sky, where there will be in a cooler climate to enjoy after I died. I trust and Believe in the Words of God OVER any theory man comes up with. Man's theory can't SAVE me but ONLY Jesus can and will AFTER my earthly life is finished here. I have encountered this phrase often, someone argues, "have been an atheist once also," but now, of course, they believe!
Usually when they are running out of facts.
Truth is, they never were an atheist! They had never thought the issue through & became an atheist!
They were only trying to unravel what to believe. That isn't atheism.
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Nov 29, 2012 13:52:03 GMT -5
Post by dlb5674 on Nov 29, 2012 13:52:03 GMT -5
I take my chance in believing and KNOWING My Lord God and Savior Jesus any day!
I had been where you are, as an athetist.
I don't care for the HEAT, and Fire down below! I like to LIVE up in the sky, where there will be in a cooler climate to enjoy after I died. I trust and Believe in the Words of God OVER any theory man comes up with. Man's theory can't SAVE me but ONLY Jesus can and will AFTER my earthly life is finished here. I have encountered this phrase often, someone argues, "have been an atheist once also," but now, of course, they believe!
Usually when they are running out of facts.
Truth is, they never were an atheist! They had never thought the issue through & became an atheist!
They were only trying to unravel what to believe. That isn't atheism.
dmmichgood, I'd be interested in knowing exactly what brought anyone on this board who claims to be atheist to that point of denying a higher power(God) and exactly what you believe to be a valid beginning/cause of everything that exists.
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Nov 29, 2012 13:58:45 GMT -5
Post by guitar on Nov 29, 2012 13:58:45 GMT -5
I have encountered this phrase often, someone argues, "have been an atheist once also," but now, of course, they believe!
Usually when they are running out of facts.
Truth is, they never were an atheist! They had never thought the issue through & became an atheist!
They were only trying to unravel what to believe. That isn't atheism.
I was born and raised in a war torn country of Vietnam, I had seen dead bodies all around me, during the Tet's offensive in 1968. Dead bodies, and war can make a great impression on a person's mind, that life is so short. It makes a person wonder is there life after death? Where does our souls go after we die? Is there a God? Is there a Hell to shun and a heaven to gain? There are NOT too many athetists in the foxes holes! That's so true. What do you think of all those American Patriots that killed you people Nathan?
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Nov 29, 2012 14:51:24 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2012 14:51:24 GMT -5
Thanks, for asking your questions.... Hindus, Muslims and Jews and catholics, 2x2s All believe in God/Supreme Beings but each group sees Him differently. Just like four blind men trying to describe what elephant looks like, by the touching the animal with their hands, standing at different places.
I believe God has chosen some people as His chosen vessels like Paul, Peter, James, John, etc with special spiritual gifts, revealtion, and understanding about Him so they could impart their God's given gifts to HELP others to believe in Him. Nathan, Insteresting answers. I assume then you consider yourself the fifth blind man trying to understand what God is really like and that this explains why you also have a different view than the other four. Or could it be that you are the only one who truly knows what God is really like and the other four are the only blind ones? Or could it be that the likes of Rat, dmmichgood and me are the fully sighted ones and it is us who really understand the true nature of God? I'm amused that you reckon God has chosen you, rather than me, to help others to believe in him. I wonder what it is that you think God has seen in you that he hasn't seen in me that persuaded him to choose you as his vessel? Or is it a lottery whom God chooses and that your choosing is merely a random choice? I wonder if you think that those Hindus, Muslims, Jews and Catholics who believe in their version of God are also chosen by God? Or is it just people like you who believe as you do that God chooses as his vessels? Matt10
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