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Post by degem on Dec 21, 2007 15:19:43 GMT -5
I believe that chldren should be under parental supervision no matter where they are...I may be considered old fashioned- but my 13 year old daughter isn't allowed to go wherever she wants whenever she wants...even when we go to a store we know where she is at...I have seen little tykes wandering off by themselves and their parents not paying any attention to where they are. I keep an eye on them which isn't my job but it only takes a few seconds for that child to be snatched.. gem
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Post by Request on Dec 21, 2007 17:12:52 GMT -5
Can someone please Copy/Paste the news story about Tim here to this thread. Please?
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Post by QQ on Dec 21, 2007 17:23:23 GMT -5
Not a good idea ... sorry. I would think this is the same for most papers. www.echopress.com/resources/index.cfm?page=termsThe Internet edition of Alexandria Echo Press is provided for your personal use only. The news, information and other material on Alexandria Echo Press is copyrighted by Forum Communications Company of Fargo North Dakota, or by other information providers who have licensed their content for electronic publication by Forum Communications Company. Users of this service may not reproduce, republish or redistribute material on this Internet site in any form without express written consent of Forum Communications Company or of the copyright holder, if the copyright holder is not Forum Communications.
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Post by to QQ on Dec 21, 2007 19:27:11 GMT -5
QQ, it appears you are in violation of their terms.
Please delete your post.
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Post by Nevermind on Dec 21, 2007 19:29:25 GMT -5
Register.
It's worth it.
GIT has a comment there.
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Post by Wondering on Dec 21, 2007 19:37:58 GMT -5
Through all the meanderings of life, law and justice -- Let us insist that parents and/or guardians properly supervise the children under their care/jurisdiction. Let us appreciate the God-given authority that parents have over their own children !!! Parental authority is soooo often disregarded, treated with distain or ignored by way too many. And that includes not letting children go to the bathroom/restroom by themselves (to prove they are a big boy/girl) when in public buildings including attending Gospel Meetings. Elders have the responsibility to tell parents that they must properly supervise their children when they are attending public gospel meetings because as it was posted in a recent post, we do not know "what lurks amongest us." -- grievous wolves will enter in not sparing the flock And it is known by any shepherd that the lambs and sick are the easiest for the wolf to take. Unfortunately, what happened with Ted and the children one could ask the question: "did they expect him to babysit?" Another case of improperly supervised children .... -- Do you actually think the Elders are going to tell the congregation not to let their kids be alone with a worker because "we do not know what lurks amongst us" and that workers might molest their babies? What planet are you living on? I mean, really! Do you think any 2x2 parent is going to run after their kid if they are wondering off with a worker and drag the kid back? Can you imagine that? Do you know anyone who has ever even considered that much less actually done it?
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Post by hmph on Dec 21, 2007 19:40:00 GMT -5
Not a good idea ... sorry. I would think this is the same for most papers. www.echopress.com/resources/index.cfm?page=termsThe Internet edition of Alexandria Echo Press is provided for your personal use only. The news, information and other material on Alexandria Echo Press is copyrighted by Forum Communications Company of Fargo North Dakota, or by other information providers who have licensed their content for electronic publication by Forum Communications Company. Users of this service may not reproduce, republish or redistribute material on this Internet site in any form without express written consent of Forum Communications Company or of the copyright holder, if the copyright holder is not Forum Communications. I often wonder about this. Think of a popular news story from a few months ago that you remember well then search until you find it on the web. Now, take a key phrase from that news story, type it into google, and see how many *thousands* of times it shows up. News stories are copied/pasted, ripped, pirated, pilfered, stolen, plagiarized, etc from various locations millions of times a year. Tell me it's only done with permission and I'll call you a liar. Tell me it's done all the time even though it's against the law and I'll tell you we need to either find a way to enforce the laws we have or rid ourselves of the unenforcable laws on the books.
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Post by QQ on Dec 21, 2007 20:00:07 GMT -5
;D Call me a liar ;D or anything else you want
IMO 90% of all laws on the books should be gotten rid of, but thats just me.
But if there are people that are bent on shutting down this site, this could be a way to do it. The law is on the books (I believe) and all it would take is a sqeaky wheel.
To: Cherie Kropp you work with a lot of articles, do you know what the law is and how likely it is to be enforced on current news?
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Post by to many laws on Dec 21, 2007 20:05:09 GMT -5
IMO 90% of all laws on the books should be gotten rid of, but thats just me. 90%? Seems kinda low to me! ;D
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Post by QQ on Dec 21, 2007 20:11:34 GMT -5
(I wouldn't want to SOUND like an anarchist.)
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Post by scared 2 death on Dec 21, 2007 20:25:41 GMT -5
(I wouldn't want to SOUND like an anarchist.) LOL! I hate to say it, but I'm starting to wonder if anarchy (temporarily - to overthrow the Borg collective in charge) is the only hope we have.
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Post by Article on Dec 21, 2007 23:51:44 GMT -5
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Post by Who on Dec 22, 2007 0:20:52 GMT -5
Who DID turn in Tim Severud, and why did they go to the police? I was under the impression it was the father of the two little girls, but it sounds like it wasn't.
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Post by x on Dec 22, 2007 0:31:30 GMT -5
You could do a search on Tim on the TMB and spend a couple of days reading ... or wait for some who knows to answer, or go to the court house and request the papers.
Until then I THINK this is how it happened. Tim did turn himself in, as in the cops didn't come out and find him. But I also think he was given a timetable to do it or else someone else would turn him in.
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Post by hawk on Dec 22, 2007 0:37:54 GMT -5
Seems to me Edgar Massey has a few documents on his website that pertain to the case.
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Post by juliette on Dec 22, 2007 0:39:28 GMT -5
Someone from the family called the authorities. I'm not sure about the timing... if Tim heard that the authorities had been called and then turned himself in, or if the two things happened independently.
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Post by honesty on Dec 22, 2007 0:47:23 GMT -5
Who DID turn in Tim Severud, and why did they go to the police? I was under the impression it was the father of the two little girls, but it sounds like it wasn't. He turned himself in to authorities on July 27.
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Post by Scott Ross on Dec 22, 2007 1:01:36 GMT -5
Howdy, In regards to the timeline concerning what happened, this is a post from Lyle Shober (overseer of Minnesota) concerning that issue: carpenter New Member * member is offline
Joined: Sept 2007 Posts: 2 Re: Child Molestation - Minnesota « Reply #205 on 6 Sept, 2007, 22:35 » I wonder how you know that Lyle told the father that he shouldn't go to the law. I happen to be Lyle and I can tell you what I said to him if you want it from me.
I've read some of the posts on this site but don't have the time to give to it that I would like. I will attempt to log on when I can.
For your information I told the father that he had the right to go to the law. His response was that he didn't want to do that until we visited him when I returned from convention. No, I did not return early for that reason. I returned for the funeral of our oldest brother Ben. I wish I had done some things differently. I'm in uncharted waters and learning. Please have patience with me.
I've learned several things in this. One thing is that multiple people say different things about what our responsibility is in reporting Tim. I have called the sheriff's office and have been told that I need to talk to the lead investigator. He has my number ever since my first call to one of the investigators who I was told by the father was on the case. It ends up she wasn't but she forwarded my calls to him and he has not made any attempt to contact me. So I called the Sheriff's office again today and was told I need to talk to him. I left another message on his voice box and I'm still waiting for his return call.
Would I do things different, YES. Certainly, YES. My appologies to all concerned in the ignorance I've expressed. But I'm learning hopefully.
I've also learned that dialing 911 doesn't always get the help you want. I told the man who answered that I had a child abuse case to report. (Different abuser) He asked a couple of questions and then said he would have a deputy call me in thirty to forty minutes. I'm still waiting for that call also. So we do what we feel is right and don't always get much response. Hopefully this is not always the case. As I've stated before, Lyle did the best he could under the circumstances. This was uncharted waters for him as he pointed out, and he handled this whole issue in a very open way. Scott
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Post by outsider on Dec 22, 2007 1:19:37 GMT -5
If they had taken the children to the hospital for assessment of their physical/psychological condition , the staff would have reported it. I hope these children are getting the help they need. Heartbreaking story. The workers in this group need to be informed of these things . I may ask one of the workers I know if they are aware of this.
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Post by Two on Dec 22, 2007 6:00:51 GMT -5
Hey wait a minute... Was there two bad guys, doing bad things... In the same area... At approximately the same time... I guess this wasn't an isolated incidence then was it, and the situation is probably worse then we have orignally thought... VERY SAD
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Post by knownashelen on Dec 22, 2007 11:03:23 GMT -5
I am assuming that you are referring to Carpenter's post saying he had called 911 on a different abuser. Its not necessarily the same area. Lyle is overseer of the whole state so its more likely from a completely different area. Also, he admits he is learning and his reporting an abuser could be something he knew but just realized through his learning process that he needed to report. Still, I agree, VERY SAD...that there are so many cases like this, whereever they are!!
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Post by degem on Dec 22, 2007 11:12:01 GMT -5
I also agree that is a very sad sad situation..very heartbreaking.. its a situation that I hope I never have to experience....like I said before with having a 13 year old daughter...we're very protective of her and she has an awareness of what is proper and what is not...at her age she has had 'looks" from older men and immediately tells me... it makes her very uncomfortable and scares her. I am glad she feels like she can tell me... Its a sick sick world out there.....gem
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Post by for you on Dec 24, 2007 12:52:27 GMT -5
i will read it after you watch the latest 3 ron paul clips i posted.... Dear ranman77007:
As much as it pains me to do it, I suppose I should thank you.
A week ago I was an enthusiastic Ron Paul supporter but now, thanks to you, I've taken the time to revisit the issues in this election and examine the elements of Ron Paul and his candidacy more closely. I'm glad I did. After many hours of reading, watching videos, listening to interviews, and examining Ron Paul's congressional record, I have abandoned my plans to support his candidacy. In fact, I find it disturbing that I ever considered supporting his candidacy. I will not be voting for him.
My research into Ron Paul has taught me that, without doubt, Ron Paul is a terrible choice for President of the United States of America.
1 - Ron Paul favors child predators. He voted against Bill S 151, aka Amber Alert.
2 - Ron Paul doesn't support parental authority. He voted against Bill S 403, a bill that allows parents to be notified when their minor child crosses state lines to get an abortion.
3 - Ron Paul is two-faced on illegal immigration. He talks big on stopping it but his voting record tells the truth. He has voted against several measures designed to control illegal immigration (H 437, H 418, H 2586, H 4200). He has voted in favor of amnesty for illegal immigrants by voting at least three times in favor of section 245(i).
4 - Ron Paul defines "supporting the troops" as a troop pull-out in the midst of a war and de-funding the military.
5 - Ron Paul is a hypocrite. He advocates term limits but doesn't live by them. He introduces bills "he believes in" then votes against them. (John Kerry's "I voted for it before I voted against it." anyone?)
6 - Ron Paul is a political opportunist. He switches party affiliation based on political expediency. He introduces bills just so he can say "I introduced this bill" but then votes against the very bill he introduced.
7 - Ron Paul is against free trade. He voted against Fast Track Authority, and CAFTA. He voted against free trade with Chile, Singapore, Australia, Bahrain, Oman, and Vietnam.
8 - Ron Paul "throws the baby out with the bath water" on school choice. He votes against school choice initiatives because he is opposed to federal control of education. This "all or nothing" approach to education is a sure way to guarantee that things get worse.
9 - Ron Paul is a paranoid delusional conspiracy theory kook. He believes in 9/11 conspiracy theories. He thinks President Bush is planning to turn the USA into a dictatorship. He thinks the CIA is secretly a terrorist organization with no accountability. (Ross Perot and his "Black Helicopters" anyone?)
10 - Ron Paul's supporters are comprised largely of mentally unstable, paranoid delusional, fringe kook, conspiracy theory obsessed nuts. Many are the same people who backed (including by financial means) Ross Perot's candidacy. They consist of 9/11 conspiracy theorists, white supremacist groups, KKK members, neo-nazis, holocaust deniers, and Ross Perot's band of merry men chanting "They're coming to take me away, HA HA." Ron Paul's supporters are often poorly educated and unable to articulate their support for him other than to repeat the rhetoric they've been fed.
As I reflect on my previous support for Ron Paul, I have to ask myself how I ever found myself numbered among his supporters. The truth was a real eye-opener. Ron Paul and his campaign have been slickly packaged and marketed to appeal to an idealist base, among whom I sometimes find myself. I was so impressed by the positives of Ron Paul that I refused to look for, or even acknowledge that their even were, any negatives. When I forced myself to go looking for the negatives, I got a rude wake-up call. Ron Paul is a nut. His supporters are nuts. He shouldn't be a janitor in the White House, let alone the chief occupant!
Thank you, again, ranman77007, for opening my eyes to the real truth about Ron Paul.
Sincerely, A TMB REGULAR
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Post by decaf coffee on Dec 24, 2007 15:25:56 GMT -5
Can anybody tell me where Lyle Schober's original post was? I can read the excerpt that Scott Ross has copied and pasted, but I wondered where the original was?
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Post by Scott Ross on Dec 24, 2007 16:22:01 GMT -5
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Post by Admin on Dec 24, 2007 16:26:51 GMT -5
Can anybody tell me where Lyle Schober's original post was? I can read the excerpt that Scott Ross has copied and pasted, but I wondered where the original was? As far as I can tell, Lyle has posted three times as carpenter, once before he registered the name. They are all in the 'Child Molestation - Minnesota' thread which is quarantined in the Admin Archive area. Quarantining this thread was necessary because of the libel issue with ProBoards. Correction, two are there and the third is in the thread 'TIm Severund's fields of labour, convention vi'.But I don't think Lyle would mind me re-posting them here so that they are available for all. admin
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Post by Scott Ross on Dec 24, 2007 16:27:10 GMT -5
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Post by Admin on Dec 24, 2007 16:28:16 GMT -5
Archived post by carpenter
Re: Child Molestation - Minnesota « Reply #205 on 7 Sept, 2007, 2:35pm »
I wonder how you know that Lyle told the father that he shouldn't go to the law. I happen to be Lyle and I can tell you what I said to him if you want it from me.
I've read some of the posts on this site but don't have the time to give to it that I would like. I will attempt to log on when I can.
For your information I told the father that he had the right to go to the law. His response was that he didn't want to do that until we visited him when I returned from convention. No, I did not return early for that reason. I returned for the funeral of our oldest brother Ben. I wish I had done some things differently. I'm in uncharted waters and learning. Please have patience with me.
I've learned several things in this. One thing is that multiple people say different things about what our responsibility is in reporting Tim. I have called the sheriff's office and have been told that I need to talk to the lead investigator. He has my number ever since my first call to one of the investigators who I was told by the father was on the case. It ends up she wasn't but she forwarded my calls to him and he has not made any attempt to contact me. So I called the Sheriff's office again today and was told I need to talk to him. I left another message on his voice box and I'm still waiting for his return call.
Would I do things different, YES. Certainly, YES. My appologies to all concerned in the ignorance I've expressed. But I'm learning hopefully.
I've also learned that dialing 911 doesn't always get the help you want. I told the man who answered that I had a child abuse case to report. (Different abuser) He asked a couple of questions and then said he would have a deputy call me in thirty to forty minutes. I'm still waiting for that call also. So we do what we feel is right and don't always get much response. Hopefully this is not always the case.
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