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Post by Anonymous on Feb 25, 2007 20:16:54 GMT -5
I filed complaints with proboards. Their response is back. My complaint:
I'm writing to file complaints with you about one of your boards and its administrator. Its professing.proboards16.com. I think the administrator is violating your TOS because he's hijacking user accounts and posting as hijacked users. I think he's posting using several user accounts to. He might be committing libel by impersonating other users. Please do something about this since its a violation of your TOS and its hurting people. Thanks.Their response:
Thank you for contacting ProBoards.
We have received several complaints about this board in the last week. You should know that other users share your concerns.
We have been able to verify that your administrator or someone (possibly a hacker) acting on his behalf is behaving oddly, doing much of what has been alleged.
Someone using this board's administrator account is hacking (some call it "hijacking") user accounts, changing or deleting hacked user accounts, posting using hacked user accounts, impersonating other users, and deleting threads, user accounts, and posts to conceal their tracks.
We understand that this may be distressing to users like yourself. However, thus far, this behavior, while odd, has not constituted a violation of ProBoards Terms of Service Agreement.
At this point, there is nothing we can do. If these problems persist, you may want to consider finding an alternate ProBoards board to suit your needs.
We apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused.
Thank you for using ProBoards.
Andrew, ProBoards Staff
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Post by I wonder on Feb 25, 2007 21:31:30 GMT -5
I filed complaints with proboards. Their response is back. My complaint:
I'm writing to file complaints with you about one of your boards and its administrator. Its professing.proboards16.com. I think the administrator is violating your TOS because he's hijacking user accounts and posting as hijacked users. I think he's posting using several user accounts to. He might be committing libel by impersonating other users. Please do something about this since its a violation of your TOS and its hurting people. Thanks.I wonder if the people at Proboards have stopped laughing yet.
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Post by to admin on Feb 26, 2007 1:06:56 GMT -5
Administrator, could you please tell us if it is you hijacking accounts and user names?
I am more likely to think that it is a computer expert on here doing this but still would like to hear from the administrator. .
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Post by hijacked accounts on Feb 26, 2007 3:36:29 GMT -5
Administrator, could you please tell us if it is you hijacking accounts and user names? I am more likely to think that it is a computer expert on here doing this but still would like to hear from the administrator. . Exactly what is meant by hijacked accounts? Has anyone complained that their account has been hijacked? Is there any reason to believe that it is not the owner of the account that is using it?
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Post by Tech Help on Feb 26, 2007 10:33:30 GMT -5
Exactly what is meant by hijacked accounts? A hijacked account is an account whose owner has lost control of that account. User A figures out the password to User B's account then changes the password to lock User A out of his own account, then User B is free to assume the identity of User A's account. Keep in mind that a hijacked account is not the same as an impersonated or counterfeit account. Not that I've seen, but wrongdoing is wrongdoing, and lack of complaint does not indicate lack of wrongdoing. Yes. Several abandoned accounts have been hijacked recently and all used in the same manner. See the link below for more information. (Note that some of the evidence revealed in the link below was deleted by the potential culprit, the administrator, once the link below was made public.) professing.proboards16.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1172020989
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Post by Questions on Feb 26, 2007 13:36:23 GMT -5
Exactly what is meant by hijacked accounts? A hijacked account is an account whose owner has lost control of that account. User A figures out the password to User B's account then changes the password to lock User A out of his own account, then User B is free to assume the identity of User A's account. Aside from your speculation, are there any facts that would back this up? There is no way you could know that it is not the owner(s) of the accounts that are posting. What is a counterfeit account? Aside from your saying they have been hijacked, there seems little to indicate that what you claim has happened.
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Post by Tech Help on Feb 26, 2007 15:04:43 GMT -5
Aside from your speculation, are there any facts that would back this up? I defined the terms as they seem to be commonly used here. Your infinite quest for facts heaped upon facts is a pointless one. I am not here to entertain you. True. Other than the response from proboards, strong circumstantial evidence is the best we have. Though to suggest what you have is a real s-t-r-e-t-c-h. Three people post within 24 hours on the exact same topic using their accounts, each of which has been dormant for months? An account whose user changes his display name, avatar, etc. to appear to be another registered user. Again, this is my definition as it seems to be commonly used here. Maybe you haven't spent the time here to look for the evidence. Further, do you have an alternate theory that doesn't involve lightning striking the same tree in the forest 3 times in 2 days? Your failure to see something does not mean it's not there.
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Post by Let us see on Feb 27, 2007 1:01:10 GMT -5
Aside from your speculation, are there any facts that would back this up? I defined the terms as they seem to be commonly used here. Your infinite quest for facts heaped upon facts is a pointless one. I am not here to entertain you. Have no fear of that. So if a user comes to this site every day and reads the postings and does not post you consider them to be dormant accounts? And then if they do post they are considered suspect accounts? There is a reason that courts do not allow circumstantial evidence. How do you know the people changed their display names? It could very well be that this was the display name that they set up when the account was created. For example: You said the user janerussell used the display name Jane. You said larry used the display name Larry Are these counterfeit accounts? Have they been recently changed? Seems pretty normal to me that larry would set their display name to Larry. You post under several names as a guest Some people may post under more than one registered account. How is what you do different? Oh, I have. On several levels. When the level of absurdity rose high enough, people came out of the woodwork to voice their views regarding the craziness. Your failure to present more than conjecture does not mean your theories are correct.
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Post by Tech Help on Feb 27, 2007 8:00:54 GMT -5
Don't worry. I suspect you're beyond being entertained by conventional means. Straw-man. Straw-man. This is not a court. I don't know they did. You don't know they didn't. The opposite could very well be true as well. I did not say this, though I do concur. Counterfeit? Not as I see it. The evidence, though circumstantial, suggests that they have recently been hijacked. This isn't the issue. You can't see the forest for the trees. Step back. Multiple accounts, similar circumstances, similar behavior, similar account characteristics, and a narrow time frame. I suppose if you choose not to see it, you won't. Suit yourself. Or at least this is what you think. You have as much evidence as I, all circumstantial. So? This is a separate issue from whether or not they engage in account hijacking or counterfeiting. I'm not sure what you think I'm doing but I suspect your wrong. One thing is for sure; I don't hijack or counterfeit accounts. No more than I. Wow! This is the first topic worthy of dragging people out of the woodwork? Your fantasy is excellent. Ditto your theories. It looks like we're on the same boat. I can enjoy the ride. Can you?
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Post by Larry on Feb 27, 2007 14:54:22 GMT -5
True. Other than the response from proboards, strong circumstantial evidence is the best we have. Though to suggest what you have is a real s-t-r-e-t-c-h. Three people post within 24 hours on the exact same topic using their accounts, each of which has been dormant for months? Being one of the accounts that has been claimed to have been hijacked - I don't think that is the case. As far as I have seen, only material I have posted is showing up. As far as being dormant, I was not aware that I had to post on a regular basis to not be considered to be hijacking my own account. As to the missing posts - I would guess some of the early ones have expired and I did delete some posts (in the spanking thread) after reconsidering their contents. It is correct that I changed the displayed name to the same common name that started with an uppercase letter. I don't consider the account to have been hijacked.
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Post by to Larry on Feb 27, 2007 15:10:26 GMT -5
True. Other than the response from proboards, strong circumstantial evidence is the best we have. Though to suggest what you have is a real s-t-r-e-t-c-h. Three people post within 24 hours on the exact same topic using their accounts, each of which has been dormant for months? Being one of the accounts that has been claimed to have been hijacked - I don't think that is the case. As far as I have seen, only material I have posted is showing up. As far as being dormant, I was not aware that I had to post on a regular basis to not be considered to be hijacking my own account. As to the missing posts - I would guess some of the early ones have expired and I did delete some posts (in the spanking thread) after reconsidering their contents. It is correct that I changed the displayed name to the same common name that started with an uppercase letter. I don't consider the account to have been hijacked. Since the administrator is suspected of hijacking the above account, the above post is worth little since it could be the administrator posting as "Larry" trying to throw his detractors off the trail. "Larry", if you're not the TMB administrator, sorry pal, but you've been had. Wrong place at the wrong time. Maybe you'd like to tell us why this particular topic is worth coming out of hiding for when everything in the months before was not.
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Post by Larry on Feb 27, 2007 16:16:34 GMT -5
Since the administrator is suspected of hijacking the above account, the above post is worth little since it could be the administrator posting as "Larry" trying to throw his detractors off the trail. From what I have read it is your suspicion alone. No, I have not been had. I have been falsely accused by you. I was not in the wrong place at the wrong time. You jumped to the wrong conclusions as to why people were posting and who was doing the posting. This particular topic was of interest because I could see that false conclusions were being reached and presented as fact. You are in error. I was not in hiding, as you claim, and therefore could not have come out of hiding. I had posted, as I said, a number of times in the "spanking" thread.
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Post by to Larry on Feb 27, 2007 16:51:47 GMT -5
From what I have read it is your suspicion alone. Then read more. I am not the only one that smells a rat here. Then are one or both of the following accounts yours? professing.proboards16.com/index.cgi?action=viewprofile&user=departedprofessing.proboards16.com/index.cgi?action=viewprofile&user=janerussellSigh. According to you. Accused is a strong word. When and where did I accuse you? And just who do you think I am? Perhaps the fact of the matter is that you were in more than one place at a time. Huh, Larry, err Jane, err Jennie. What's your name again? Please tell me what conclusions I jumped to and then tell me what is the real truth of the matter, since you seem to know so much. Oh, and we all know this is the first time that's happened on this board recently. Give me a break. You're hilarious. ;D Then prove it. Then prove it. I'll believe this when you provide proof. Then prove it... oh wait, you decided to delete the proof. The buck never got here!Please! How lame can your excuses be? How about you stop acting like a baby, stop the incessant whining, and put up or shut up. Show us some proof that what you say is true.
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Post by liadf on Feb 27, 2007 18:35:44 GMT -5
yoooooooooo larrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry
just 'cause yousa gotcherself 500 registered accounts doesn't mean one, other person has the remaining 411!
some ofus only got one and some ofus got none!
is multi personalities da only way folks agree witcha?
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Post by Larry on Feb 27, 2007 19:14:09 GMT -5
Then read more. I am not the only one that smells a rat here. I really don't need to read more. You have been complaining that someone has posted under multiple names. Much like you have. Can you prove that all of the unregistered complainers ar not you? You grouped me together with other accounts that you have decided were used by the administrator. I don't know who you are nor do I care. It is not hard to recognize that you post under a number of different guest accounts. You concluded that the administrator had hijacked this account. That is false. I just posted the truth of the matter. I post in threads that I am interested in. If I am not mistakenyou are the one doing most of the whining, but I will play another round: What would you consider proof? Please be specific - I will not deal with your duplicity.
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Post by to Larry on Feb 27, 2007 20:10:47 GMT -5
I really don't need to read more. It's not a shock that you think this. NO I HAVE NOT. You are dead wrong. But you seem to think you are right. So why don't you put your money where your mouth is and prove..... .....oh wait, you ignored my previous requests for proof and you didn't answer my previous questions..... .....so what's the use..... .....I'm wasting my time by even asking. You know what? Forget it! I refuse to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed man. You obviously have serious issues. Get help; go see a shrink. Bye Troll
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Post by nitro on Feb 27, 2007 21:00:53 GMT -5
Yes I'm breaking my own rule! ;D I'M posting To Larry you forgot one professing.proboards16.com/index.cgi?action=viewprofile&user=rogerwoods All accounts were started in Oct 06 seems Larry and his little gang of one cannot see. "Larry"we have your number ands its spelled FOOL........................................................Here it is one more time read it and focus on what it's trying to tell you we caught you. Not anymore Roger,Larry,Jane Russell,jill or who ever you might be at this very moment. Thank you for contacting ProBoards. We have received several complaints about this board in the last week. You should know that other users share your concerns. We have been able to verify that your administrator or someone (possibly a hacker) acting on his behalf is behaving oddly, doing much of what has been alleged. Someone using this board's administrator account is hacking (some call it "hijacking") user accounts, changing or deleting hacked user accounts, posting using hacked user accounts, impersonating other users, and deleting threads, user accounts, and posts to conceal their tracks. We understand that this may be distressing to users like yourself. However, thus far, this behavior, while odd, has not constituted a violation of ProBoards Terms of Service Agreement. At this point, there is nothing we can do. If these problems persist, you may want to consider finding an alternate ProBoards board to suit your needs. We apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused. Thank you for using ProBoards. Andrew, ProBoards Staff
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Post by ITS ABOUT TIME on Feb 27, 2007 23:11:35 GMT -5
I was wonderin' when you'd get to that point. Guys been a pain in the ass for days now. Doesn't seem to have a life. Must spend all day on TMB. And I'm pretty sure he doesn't know how to read past a 3rd grade level 'cause complex sentences fly right over his head.
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Post by Larry on Feb 27, 2007 23:46:13 GMT -5
You requested proof. I asked what you would consider to be proof. I don't know why I expected anything different.
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Post by Its OK nitro on Feb 28, 2007 3:17:33 GMT -5
Yes I'm breaking my own rule! ;D While you are here, you never responded to why you posted and said ProBoards had asked for someone's IP.
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Post by For The Record on Feb 28, 2007 12:39:02 GMT -5
Having previously posted in this thread as Guest "to Larry", I am posting again for the sole purpose of setting the record straight with regard to what I have written previously. I am neither interested in nor will engage in further discussion with the dim-witted, multiple-personality schizophrenic troll known in this thread as "Larry" and known elsewhere on this board by at least a half dozen other names. In Reply 43, I accused the troll of not answering my previous requests for proof and not answering my previous questions. I then refused to engage in future exchanges with him. In Reply 46, the troll responded: You requested proof. I asked what you would consider to be proof. I don't know why I expected anything different.In contrast to the troll's complaint, the following is a selection of my statements from back in Reply 40: Then are one or both of the following accounts yours? professing.proboards16.com/index.cgi?action=viewprofile&user=departed professing.proboards16.com/index.cgi?action=viewprofile&user=janerussellTrolls Response: Ignored and ignored.When and where did I accuse you?Trolls Response: Ignored and ignored.And just who do you think I am?Trolls Response: Ignored.Please tell me what conclusions I jumped toTrolls Response: Ignored.tell me what is the real truth of the matterTrolls Response: Ignored.Then prove it.Trolls Response: Attempted to quibble over the degree of proof required rather than just honestly presenting the facts at his disposal.Then prove it.Trolls Response: Attempted to quibble over the degree of proof required rather than just honestly presenting the facts at his disposal.I'll believe this when you provide proof.Trolls Response: Attempted to quibble over the degree of proof required rather than just honestly presenting the facts at his disposal.Show us some proof that what you say is true.Trolls Response: Attempted to quibble over the degree of proof required rather than just honestly presenting the facts at his disposal.Again (for the benefit of the troll with the short attention span), I have posted the above for the sole purpose of setting the record straight with regard to what I have written previously. This post is not an attempt to further discuss this matter with the troll and all attempts by him to prolong this pointless discussion will be utterly ignored.
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Post by Larry on Feb 28, 2007 13:53:50 GMT -5
Having previously posted in this thread as Guest "to Larry", I am posting again for the sole purpose of setting the record straight with regard to what I have written previously. I am neither interested in nor will engage in further discussion with the dim-witted, multiple-personality schizophrenic troll known in this thread as "Larry" and known elsewhere on this board by at least a half dozen other names. Ignoring the insults, fallacious posts, ad hominem arguments, and the misinformed consideration that schizophrenia is a disorder somehow related to multiple-personalities, perhaps a short post will demonstrate just how straight the record has been set. Look at a single claim: Please tell me what conclusions I jumped to Trolls Response: Ignored. And reality, from the post in question, is that the question was not ignored but was answered: Quote: Please tell me what conclusions I jumped to and then tell me what is the real truth of the matter, since you seem to know so much.
You concluded that the administrator had hijacked this account. That is false.
I just posted the truth of the matter. I post in threads that I am interested in.As to the question of providing proof: Then prove it. Trolls Response: Attempted to quibble over the degree of proof required rather than just honestly presenting the facts at his disposal.Your response - nothing but the usual post "...full of sound and fury, signifying nothing." and refusing to define what you will accept as proof. Considering the poster's duplicity in other threads I will not waste time responding until there is a clearly defined goal.
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Post by Troll Ticker on Feb 28, 2007 15:18:12 GMT -5
Again (for the benefit of the troll with the short attention span), I have posted the above for the sole purpose of setting the record straight with regard to what I have written previously. This post is not an attempt to further discuss this matter with the troll and all attempts by him to prolong this pointless discussion will be utterly ignored.
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Post by innocent bystander on Feb 28, 2007 15:56:13 GMT -5
How many times will you be utterly ignoring him?
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Post by innocent bystander on Feb 28, 2007 16:30:47 GMT -5
I'm waiting Larry.
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Post by Larry on Feb 28, 2007 17:56:21 GMT -5
I don't think there is much point in waiting. When pressed into stating something specific the poster attacks the person and then goes off and posts under a different name.
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Post by nitro on Feb 28, 2007 18:24:02 GMT -5
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Post by integrety on Feb 28, 2007 19:32:15 GMT -5
What you say is meaningless, in more ways than one. Remember this? nitro Royal Member ***** I am leaving this board!!!!! « Thread Started on Feb 24, 2007, 1:40pm » I will no longer post to this site as of today nitro is leaving . The administrator to this board has indicated that he has no time for it. Just keeping it fair I hope more will join me and the few so we can get back to posting on positive threads.
All those who would like to join please join us. 2x2doctrine.proboards104.com/
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