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Post by sharonw on Jul 28, 2012 20:24:26 GMT -5
The account says that Herod's counselors told him that the Messiah would be born in Bethlehem. But then it says that the wise men followed the star to where the child was (in the house). So if they followed the star, who can say for sure where it led them. Who's to say that after Jerusalem, they did not return to their home since they were only in Bethlehem for the census? It would have taken the wise men some time to come from "the east" - maybe more than 40 days. After going from Bethlehem to Jerusalem, it would only make sense they went back to their home. My bad....I'm not certain how long it took them at the temple, but it says they did go back to Nazareth... Luk 2:39 ¶ And when they had performed all things according to the law of the Lord, they returned into Galilee, to their own city Nazareth. But then we read something that seems to change that....though that may have been Herold's mistake of where to find the Christ child....the wise men were led to where He was by His star...and that could have been easily Bethlehem or Nazareth Mat 2:16 ¶ Then Herod, when he saw that he was mocked of the wise men, was exceeding wroth, and sent forth, and slew all the children that were in Bethlehem, and in all the coasts thereof, from two years old and under, according to the time which he had diligently enquired of the wise men
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Post by sharonw on Jul 28, 2012 20:34:15 GMT -5
--We are saved by faith alone (Ephesians 2:8-9). --Faith comes by hearing the word of God (Romans 10:17). --The Book of Luke and the Acts are the word of God and present the Gospel (2 Timothy 3:16). --Luke and Acts are included as "the oracles of God" (Romans 3:1-2). --Salvation is of the Jews (John 4:22). That means that Luke, the author of the Gospel of Luke and the Acts of the Apostles was a JEW. Only Jewish Books CAN Be Inspired and Infallible This Jewish requirement of all authors of Scripture is one reason why we know to reject the Koran, Book of Mormon, writings of Ellen G. White, etc. God doesn't deliver His words (oracles) through Gentiles. kjvbiblebelievers.com/lukenotajew.phpIn Colossians 4 Tychicus, Aristarches, Marcus, Onesimus, and Justus are called "of the circumcision." Luke is mentioned in the chapter, but not in that list. (read this in Unger's Bible dictionary) I have never heard that only Jewish writings can be inspired! Jesus was the one who said that "salvation is of the Jews'...or the Jews were the ones who would have or should have already know true salvation or looking at it this way, Jesus himself was a Jew and since the "gospel was Jesus Christ" this indeed connects that anyone writing about the gospel of Jesus christ and the first century believer's church would indeed also be a Jew....the message had to be carried by the Jews unto the Gentile nation for this is where God has His point for jealousy so that He can get the Jews to turn and claim what is their birthright.
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Post by quizzer on Jul 28, 2012 23:41:53 GMT -5
The Gospel of Matthew was written to show the relevance of Christ to the Jews. That's why there's a strong emphasis on Christ's lineage, like a continuation of the Old Testament. The Gospel of Luke was written for the Gentiles. Luke himself was the only Gentile apostle in the Bible, so he knew that Gentiles needed a far broader approach to Christ than what a Jew would need. The Gospel of Mark was written for Christians. They would already have known that Christ was God, so little emphasis on deity. However, there is a strong focus on Christ's ministry and works. The Gospel of John is the opposite of the Gospel of Mark. Again, while written to the whole world, it focuses specifically on why Christ is God. It's different strokes for different folks. Sometimes, we all need to approach Christ in different ways, just don't need the same information all the time. excuse me, quizzer, but that sounds like a crock...,
Where areyour sources for this interp?The Bible. Read the excerpts before each gospel, and for each verse.
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Post by quizzer on Jul 28, 2012 23:43:10 GMT -5
The Gospel of Matthew was written to show the relevance of Christ to the Jews. That's why there's a strong emphasis on Christ's lineage, like a continuation of the Old Testament. There are slim connections. Was Luke a Gentile?Luke was a Gentile. As an ordained minister, aren't you supposed to know that?
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Post by sharonw on Jul 29, 2012 9:24:30 GMT -5
Luke was a Gentile. As an ordained minister, aren't you supposed to know that? I think that the majority of people that know the bible would know that Luke could not be a gentile...only Jews were privy to write the Lord's story....Jesus himself told the woman from Samaria, that salvation belongs to the Jews. I think the reason some poeple think that Luke was a gentile is simply because he was a physician....again Jesus told the Pharisees that only the sick need the physician and it seems He was talking about Himself as that physician...that lone negates the idea that Luke could possibly be a Gentile.....for Luke was the most prolific first centuary gospel writer....thus he measured more credible by who he was and that as physician he would have known all the Jewish laws pertaining to the cleanliness issues that were written by Moses.....thus he had to have been a Jew and had been a student at the feet of the Mosaic laws as well as Paul had been. He apparently was one of the early disciples that started following Jesus for he was well able to tell the birth story in detail.....he knew the scriptures that prophesied Jesus' advent, thus when Jesus was born he knew who he was and attached early onto the gospel of Jesus and followed him....perhaps as well was a disciple of John the Batist fully learning that John was not Jesus, but the voice in the wilderness. He also had to have followed the apostles and other disciples after Jesus' death, resurrection, and ascension and the formation of the group that is explicitly told about in Acts. Remember that those who were in the first of Acts were being very careful due to the Pharisee chief priests and his followers being on the run to kill all those who were disciples of Jesus, thus we know this by the fact that Paul was very much in the know of what the Phariseel chief priest were up to...thus gaining their full direction to oppress and murder the new Jesus followers. Thus if Luke had been a gentile he would not have known where those apostles had secreted themselves...He was a Jew who also followed Christ. Otherwords, Luke has to be a Jew for too many reason....
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Post by rational on Jul 29, 2012 9:38:36 GMT -5
Luke was a Gentile. As an ordained minister, aren't you supposed to know that? Did you bother to look at the reference I provided or are you happy with your preconceived beliefs?
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Post by Linford Bledsoe on Jul 29, 2012 10:57:39 GMT -5
What in the world does it matter or prove if he was a gentile or a jew?
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Post by emy on Jul 29, 2012 12:29:50 GMT -5
What in the world does it matter or prove if he was a gentile or a jew? Good question! I had never once given it a thought until I read this thread. Will it make a difference if I accept one theory or the other?
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Post by dmmichgood on Jul 29, 2012 12:56:01 GMT -5
excuse me, quizzer, but that sounds like a crock...,
Where areyour sources for this interp? The Bible. Read the excerpts before each gospel, and for each verse. Quizzer, those are just brief explanations of what is in the book or verse!
How did you even remotely come the conclusions you stated?
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Post by emy on Jul 29, 2012 13:12:55 GMT -5
Luke was a Gentile. As an ordained minister, aren't you supposed to know that? Who's an ordained minister??
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Post by rational on Jul 29, 2012 13:47:14 GMT -5
What in the world does it matter or prove if he was a gentile or a jew? Beats me. I was just responding to a post with available information.
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Post by rational on Jul 29, 2012 13:48:48 GMT -5
Who's an ordained minister?? I am - unless it had an expiration date I don't remember.
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Post by sharonw on Jul 29, 2012 16:05:10 GMT -5
What in the world does it matter or prove if he was a gentile or a jew? Good question! I had never once given it a thought until I read this thread. Will it make a difference if I accept one theory or the other? Yes!
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Post by sharonw on Jul 29, 2012 16:06:54 GMT -5
Who's an ordained minister?? I am - unless it had an expiration date I don't remember. "an ordained minister" of what?
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Post by rational on Jul 29, 2012 22:26:43 GMT -5
I am - unless it had an expiration date I don't remember. "an ordained minister" of what? All things Good and True (well backed up with facts) I don't really remember. It could have been any one of: Fist of Fury Church. Laboratory Church of God. Liquid Fire Ministries Run for your Life Ministries. It was when NetScape was still in the running as a browser.
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Post by quizzer on Jul 30, 2012 10:09:20 GMT -5
Luke was a Gentile. As an ordained minister, aren't you supposed to know that? Did you bother to look at the reference I provided or are you happy with your preconceived beliefs? I understood the traditional thinking of Luke, and didn't realize you supplied a link. I thought you were playing with font color.
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Post by quizzer on Jul 30, 2012 10:16:58 GMT -5
The Bible. Read the excerpts before each gospel, and for each verse. Quizzer, those are just brief explanations of what is in the book or verse!
How did you even remotely come the conclusions you stated?The Zondervan explanations in my NIV Bible would state this. They may have been updated in more recent Bibles. Did you have a study Bible?
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