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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2012 17:30:37 GMT -5
Any updates? Seems like Jerome F to KY-TN. Bill Denk to KY-TN?? Greg Harger to MI (Greg lost his dad this week btw). George Lee to Georgia. Dennis Kinnan to SC. Jim Holt is in Oklahoma. Not sure about George Peterson. Some thought Ray Hoffman might go to MI?? Not sure. Ray Miller may leave Wisconsin?? Any updates?
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Post by Sylvestra on Jun 28, 2012 17:45:54 GMT -5
Any updates? Seems like Jerome F to KY-TN. Bill Denk to KY-TN?? Greg Harger to MI (Greg lost his dad this week btw). George Lee to Georgia. Dennis Kinnan to SC. Jim Holt is in Oklahoma. Not sure about George Peterson. Some thought Ray Hoffman might go to MI?? Not sure. Ray Miller may leave Wisconsin?? Any updates? Any word where Ray Miller is going? My ex-husband is his "father in the truth".
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Post by Linford Bledsoe on Jun 28, 2012 17:54:55 GMT -5
Any updates? Seems like Jerome F to KY-TN. Bill Denk to KY-TN?? Greg Harger to MI (Greg lost his dad this week btw). George Lee to Georgia. Dennis Kinnan to SC. Jim Holt is in Oklahoma. Not sure about George Peterson. Some thought Ray Hoffman might go to MI?? Not sure. Ray Miller may leave Wisconsin?? Any updates? I heard D.Kinnan is going to Indiana. I also heard Ray Miller is coming to MI.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2012 15:13:14 GMT -5
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Post by sharonw on Jul 10, 2012 9:14:57 GMT -5
Any updates? Seems like Jerome F to KY-TN. Bill Denk to KY-TN?? Greg Harger to MI (Greg lost his dad this week btw). George Lee to Georgia. Dennis Kinnan to SC. Jim Holt is in Oklahoma. Not sure about George Peterson. Some thought Ray Hoffman might go to MI?? Not sure. Ray Miller may leave Wisconsin?? Any updates? Geroge Peterson is presently over MO/AR
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Post by lazarus66 on Jul 10, 2012 9:48:34 GMT -5
I think we all should campaign for Rational to be the complete overseer. I think that would end all nonsense.................
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2012 11:43:33 GMT -5
Where did Robert Ebherhardt go? I think he is probably the best and nicest one out there.
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Post by Greg on Jul 10, 2012 13:00:23 GMT -5
Geroge Peterson is presently over MO/AR What's his altitude?
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Post by kencoolidge on Jul 10, 2012 14:35:07 GMT -5
I think we all should campaign for Rational to be the complete overseer. I think that would end all nonsense................. I second that The great gugamuga of overseers defender of RATIONAL truth ken
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Post by snow on Jul 10, 2012 14:38:59 GMT -5
Geroge Peterson is presently over MO/AR What's his altitude? LOL
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Post by sharonw on Jul 10, 2012 17:34:09 GMT -5
Where did Robert Ebherhardt go? I think he is probably the best and nicest one out there. He went north I know, either Wisconsin or MN! Yes Rob is a great person but still one of the overseers!
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Post by sharonw on Jul 10, 2012 17:36:40 GMT -5
Geroge Peterson is presently over MO/AR What's his altitude? Well to be honest, Greg, it's a real question he and Jon Platte are covering from Little Rock,AR to Joplin, MO...they do need a plane I'm sure...that's lot of miles, I think this is the first year that they've spread that northern AR field so deep into Little Rock...Fort Smith has usually been the boundary line for the AR staff but with only one or two friends in Fort Smith, and many in the Little Rock area aging, the miles have increased bvut the active members have decreased.
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Post by sharonw on Jul 10, 2012 17:38:09 GMT -5
I think we all should campaign for Rational to be the complete overseer. I think that would end all nonsense................. I second that The great gugamuga of overseers defender of RATIONAL truth ken THough I'm frustrated with the overseers, I wouldn't want to scourge them with Rational.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2012 17:47:50 GMT -5
There is something about the position of overseer that seems to change workers. Power and place, I guess. Kind of like you co-worker who becomes boss and jumps on you for things he did as an employee. I have know several workers before they became overseers and in many instances I have seen a change in the person. It is unchecked human power that leads to abuse. Our founding fathers in America created a system (borrowed from Parliament) where power was limited and divided. A brother worker once said that "God's way isn't a democracy". If an overseer is a good guy you have nothing to worry about but there are no safeguards against an overbearing heavy handed overseer.
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Post by sharonw on Jul 10, 2012 21:38:32 GMT -5
There is something about the position of overseer that seems to change workers. Power and place, I guess. Kind of like you co-worker who becomes boss and jumps on you for things he did as an employee. I have know several workers before they became overseers and in many instances I have seen a change in the person. It is unchecked human power that leads to abuse. Our founding fathers in America created a system (borrowed from Parliament) where power was limited and divided. A brother worker once said that "God's way isn't a democracy". If an overseer is a good guy you have nothing to worry about but there are no safeguards against an overbearing heavy handed overseer. I don't think the workers will ever lose the "good ole boys' soceity frame of mind, simply because they don't want the reputation or th which is seen by others to get tarnished, so they're going to have to distance themselves from the CSA and rape perps.
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Post by rational on Jul 10, 2012 21:42:26 GMT -5
I think we all should campaign for Rational to be the complete overseer. I think that would end all nonsense................. And yet another church bites the dust!
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Post by lazarus66 on Jul 10, 2012 22:46:35 GMT -5
Rat, looks like the clay feet are showing if not a total loss, yet......................
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Post by kiwi on Jul 11, 2012 1:19:30 GMT -5
I think we all should campaign for Rational to be the complete overseer. I think that would end all nonsense................. I second that The great gugamuga of overseers defender of RATIONAL truth ken Don't be jelly now ;D
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Post by sharonw on Jul 11, 2012 10:23:00 GMT -5
There is something about the position of overseer that seems to change workers. Power and place, I guess. Kind of like you co-worker who becomes boss and jumps on you for things he did as an employee. I have know several workers before they became overseers and in many instances I have seen a change in the person. It is unchecked human power that leads to abuse. Our founding fathers in America created a system (borrowed from Parliament) where power was limited and divided. A brother worker once said that "God's way isn't a democracy". If an overseer is a good guy you have nothing to worry about but there are no safeguards against an overbearing heavy handed overseer. I strongly suspect that the overseers run into what a lot of people do when they are made bosses over the people that they were just one of them. I know when I got my nursing degree and started having more responsibility in the surgery where I'd worked as a scrub technician, I got little respect and a lot of jealousy.....we had some classes in nursing school that addressed this problem and at that time, it was reccommended that we ask for a employee meeting by the powers over us and have them to discuss with people about the why's someone like myself would become their bosses or supervisors...but getting the administration to do that wass omething else....I finally asked one of my professors if she'd talk to our CEO, she did and showed him what we had been trained, so then the CEO did have a mtg. with the employees working in surgery....and it helped a little bit, but mostly the fact they felt they had to accomodate my advancement in duties they gave out the old solid wall attitudes of "I'll do it so I can keep my job, but I'm not going to do it willingly." It actually is much better if the new advanced supervisor is sent elsewhere then where they had been when the advancement came....
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2012 13:28:13 GMT -5
Human beings can be real jerks. Sometimes I am ashamed to be a human being. Some lower animals are nicer than we are towards our peers, superiors and inferiors.
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Post by calleduntoliberty on Jul 12, 2012 14:13:11 GMT -5
Yes Rob is a great person but still one of the overseers! What does that mean? Does that make him less of a great person or tarnish his goodness somehow?
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Post by sharonw on Jul 12, 2012 15:27:09 GMT -5
Yes Rob is a great person but still one of the overseers! What does that mean? Does that make him less of a great person or tarnish his goodness somehow? I suspect it only means that other overseers are his peers and he would look to those overseer overseers for help and confirmation in major decisions! Overseers that don't respect their peers often find themselves alone and that makes for hardships...overseership can be a lonely life....except to be just one of the overseers that helps an overseer.
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Post by Linford Bledsoe on Jul 13, 2012 8:11:11 GMT -5
Human beings can be real jerks. Sometimes I am ashamed to be a human being. Some lower animals are nicer than we are towards our peers, superiors and inferiors. How true. Maybe emphasizes the need to pray "Thine is the power"
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Post by lazarus66 on Jul 13, 2012 9:25:53 GMT -5
CUL, How long have you known about William Irvine's part in starting the 2x2's? Do you think it is okay to not acknowledge his presence and say that this has an unbroken line to the disciples? When a group, any group, needs to have "secrets" their entire presence it tarnished. It does not make all bad, but tarnished. We all have sin and are tarnished in different ways, but when you start thinking that you have the corner on salvation, and everyone else is wrong, and then with the "bending of the facts" about the start of this thing, can you honestly say there are no problems. I have heard the people aren't perfect but the way is. The was is man formed and can not be perfect, so people need to start taking responsibility for all of this. Why not acknowledge WI and just say, "well, he may have gotten things back on track, but it is Jesus way" I am sure you know of the times in the bible when Jesus said "other sheep I have that are not of this fold", "What is that to you, follow me" and He rebuked other disciples for knocking what others were doing. That is Jesus, if you follow Him. If not, then you are just anther religion that has a lot of problems with understanding the real truth that Jesus is the way and if we follow him, we are on the right path and don't need a system, set of rules or standard of physical nature.
I get so tired of this subject and yet it is bandied about so much. Quit lying and come clean. I was lied to by men that I know for a fact knew WI. I have pictures of them with him, so I guess that is the proof of the pudding.
Being involved in 2x2ism does not make you bad, but propagating the lies does make you and accessory to those lies.
I have many that I respect in the fellowship and will love them as long as they treat me with the respect I give them.
The system is broken and crumbling. If it was "God's way" people would flock to it not out of it.
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Post by jhjmr on Jul 14, 2012 7:27:29 GMT -5
Lazarus, you are right on the money. The bible will give the correct way. When there is control, judgemental attitude, deceit and disregard for others, it is not what Jesus taught. He was the one that died on the cross for ALL! When you are taught, you must come to the workers to be accepted by Jesus, they are putting themselves on a pedestal. When you must have a worker tell you if you can partake in a meeting, who are you serving? When you must confess your wrongs to a worker and he will tell you if he forgives you and accepts you, you are serving the worker. When you accept lies and are afraid to ask questions or are judged because you do ask questions, you are letting the worker control your thinking. When the worker is allowed to judge a person, they are now the judge and jury. That is not the way Jesus taught. That is a powerful controlling religion and is ruling peoples minds and salvation.
How much of the worship of the truth, is how the workers have set it? And to keep people in that frame of mind, there is the use of fear and the use of self rightousness. Follow the worker and you are better than anyone else. Condemn unfollowers, judge them and treat them as a sinner of no importance. And those actions are suppose to show to outsiders just how important it is to have Jesus in your life. That is why people are leaving. Who wants to have that kind of spirit and to treat others that way? They are justifying their own sin, not loving others as themselves.
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Post by ts on Jul 14, 2012 16:07:24 GMT -5
Yes Rob is a great person but still one of the overseers! What does that mean? Does that make him less of a great person or tarnish his goodness somehow? It means that Rob is a nice person who is very much a system oriented overseer. He is ex navy and very much adheres to rank and obeying orders without question. Rob helps out a lot of people. really good with administration and duties. He is also talented with fixing things and building things. He is a good speaker also. He has all the necessary qualities to be a good worker and an overseer. Like all the other overseers I know, he believes and promotes that the meetings is the only truth and way and he will do whatever he can to help you stay in or get back in if that is what you want to do. However, that is the foundation he necessarily accepts and that is what ALL overseers must accept in order to be overseer. If there is an exception, please PM me or call Rob and have him give you the phone number of someone who knows me and I will be glad to talk with you.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2012 17:12:29 GMT -5
A few workers lately have renounced the overseer position. Too much stress I guess.
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Post by ts on Jul 14, 2012 18:31:50 GMT -5
A few workers lately have renounced the overseer position. Too much stress I guess. Charles is a great guy to be around, as I remember. Very talented and funny. I don't believe he or Rob would be involved with anything immoral. That being said, I do not think that workers dating or marrying is immoral. I am also not suggesting that either of them are dating or married. I am saying that celibacy IS one of the major stresses of the work. Looking for a prospective wife is not at all abnormal.
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