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Post by CORRECTION on Jun 19, 2008 14:44:18 GMT -5
What about the bruises on the youngest girl who had to wear long sleeves and tights to her grandfather's birthday party in the heat of the summer? For some unknown reason, the judge doesn't want to hear testimony from anyone who might say anything against the parents. Strange, isn't it??
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Post by unpluged on Jun 19, 2008 16:26:51 GMT -5
What about the bruises on the youngest girl who had to wear long sleeves and tights to her grandfather's birthday party in the heat of the summer? For some unknown reason, the judge doesn't want to hear testimony from anyone who might say anything against the parents. Strange, isn't it?? The shadow knows. stil out investigatiun. Many red faces when the thruth eksposed.
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Post by Disgusting on Jun 19, 2008 16:58:54 GMT -5
To your surprise and wrong conclusion, there is still meeting in the grandparents home. The parents still attend meeting, and they will deal with God, not the on earth God. Who owns the meetings? That is a question I would like to have answered. Who has the right to tell anyone that they can not serve God if they want or need too. Who is JF that he thinks he can control someone to the point that he thinks he could put them in hell. How sad of someone that claims he is trying to save people and then tries his best to destroy someones faith. God gives strength to overcome all enemies and he is always present when someone needs him. What a cult in action!!! The grandparents are very loving family people, that love their daughter and her children with all of their heart. They would never ever allow those children to be abused. Shame on you people for even putting down people that are 91 and 87. Your reward is awaiting you. The meeting was dissolved because of lying and denying when confronted. Matthew 18:15-22 If your brother sins go and show him his fault in private; if he listens to you, you have won your brother. But if he does not listen to you, take one or two more with you, so that by the mouth of two or three witnesses every fact may be confirmed. If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as Gentile and a tax collector. Truly I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall have been bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall have been loosed in heaven. Who attends the "meetings" as you put it? People that attend the meeting are saints of God!!!! What are you a Judge to say if anyone lied or denied anything? Did you live in the home to know what the grandparents knew or are you just mouthing off? I find you so disgusting and I am sure God will feel the same way!
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Post by unpluded on Jun 19, 2008 17:05:34 GMT -5
The meeting was dissolved because of lying and denying when confronted. Matthew 18:15-22 If your brother sins go and show him his fault in private; if he listens to you, you have won your brother. But if he does not listen to you, take one or two more with you, so that by the mouth of two or three witnesses every fact may be confirmed. If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as Gentile and a tax collector. Truly I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall have been bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall have been loosed in heaven. Who attends the "meetings" as you put it? People that attend the meeting are saints of God!!!! What are you a Judge to say if anyone lied or denied anything? Did you live in the home to know what the grandparents knew or are you just mouthing off? I find you so disgusting and I am sure God will feel the same way! Many red faces when the thruth eksposed. I know, will comeout.
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Post by to correction on Jun 19, 2008 17:07:26 GMT -5
Do tell, how could you see bruises on someone with long sleeves and tights on? You people are crazy. It was a birthday party and the whole family was dressed up. The boys arrived with suits on. The mother had on long sleeves in her suit. Abagail was dressed up with clothes that she always wheres. It was not hot that day. The grandfather had on a suit. The grandmother had on nearly long sleeves in her suit. How about the long skirts clear to the floor that many had on? If you want to make a mountain out of a molehill keep piling on dirt. All charges were examined and I'm sorry to say, that what every one wanted isn't the way it went. The first charges that were talked about came from the twins, which was thrown out after questioning. So, when all was investigated, the charges were belt and closet which was a pantry. No tying up or whatever anyone wants to say to really make things exciting. That is why everyone now wants to blame the judge. He has all the evidence in front of him, not a lot of idle gossip and false accusations. So, sorry, but you will have to try to accept that the court knows more than you want to pretend you know. Give me a break, any waitress that works in a restaurant that will not serve anyone, the owner would have outside looking in. You are crazier than a nut tree. By expressing your garbage I'm sure others that read this know something doesn't add up. You are setting the record straight all by yourself. Thanks.
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Post by volley point match on Jun 19, 2008 17:14:00 GMT -5
to correction, back at you, baby.
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Post by Heh disgusted on Jun 19, 2008 17:14:25 GMT -5
People that attend meeting are saints. To whom or to God? Read the verse about two in a bed, one taken and one left. Do you suppose they were both saints and attended meeting? Self righteousness will get you just exactly what you are getting now. Patting yourself on the back. Read what a saint is. Not a back biting bad spirit, hateful and vile. So, if you are any of those things, I sure don't want to be in a meeting with you. Your reward will be praising yourself here on earth.
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Post by Truthers BS on Jun 19, 2008 17:56:00 GMT -5
People that attend meeting are saints. To whom or to God? Read the verse about two in a bed, one taken and one left. Do you suppose they were both saints and attended meeting? Self righteousness will get you just exactly what you are getting now. Patting yourself on the back. Read what a saint is. Not a back biting bad spirit, hateful and vile. So, if you are any of those things, I sure don't want to be in a meeting with you. Your reward will be praising yourself here on earth. What about the righteous White Knight deleting debasing posts, not guilty but out in Michigan investigating, not guilty but he supposedly has his nose in the courtroom drama, daring-challenging TMB posters, posting on numerous threads confronting chasing a TMB member, but he he knows all, ... for all practical purposes he could very well be JF. The Way's or Truth's followers are presenting examples and testimonies that will repel all those who might have considered coming back to the faith ---- to turn and flee. Such valued TESTIMONIES for the TRUTH, the WAY.WAY TO GO -- to those who are baptized in the faith's glorious light. Keep it up, justify why we left. Truthers' BS
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Post by Maybe on Jun 19, 2008 18:33:05 GMT -5
What about the bruises on the youngest girl who had to wear long sleeves and tights to her grandfather's birthday party in the heat of the summer? For some unknown reason, the judge doesn't want to hear testimony from anyone who might say anything against the parents. Strange, isn't it?? The shadow knows. stil out investigatiun. Many red faces when the thruth eksposed. I would believe that this last quote was written by one of the twins who has accused the innocent. Perhaps when the investigation is done, it will your red face exposed.
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Post by Heat on Jun 19, 2008 18:57:07 GMT -5
Do tell, how could you see bruises on someone with long sleeves and tights on? You people are crazy. It was a birthday party and the whole family was dressed up. The boys arrived with suits on. The mother had on long sleeves in her suit. Abagail was dressed up with clothes that she always wheres. It was not hot that day. The grandfather had on a suit. The grandmother had on nearly long sleeves in her suit. How about the long skirts clear to the floor that many had on? If you want to make a mountain out of a molehill keep piling on dirt. All charges were examined and I'm sorry to say, that what every one wanted isn't the way it went. The first charges that were talked about came from the twins, which was thrown out after questioning. So, when all was investigated, the charges were belt and closet which was a pantry. No tying up or whatever anyone wants to say to really make things exciting. That is why everyone now wants to blame the judge. He has all the evidence in front of him, not a lot of idle gossip and false accusations. So, sorry, but you will have to try to accept that the court knows more than you want to pretend you know. Give me a break, any waitress that works in a restaurant that will not serve anyone, the owner would have outside looking in. You are crazier than a nut tree. By expressing your garbage I'm sure others that read this know something doesn't add up. You are setting the record straight all by yourself. Thanks. Not hot that day? You have lost your memory. It was terribly hot. This is why everyone noticed the little girl's long sleeved dress and winter tights.
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Post by Once Again on Jun 19, 2008 19:39:34 GMT -5
Do tell, how could you see bruises on someone with long sleeves and tights on? You people are crazy. It was a birthday party and the whole family was dressed up. The boys arrived with suits on. The mother had on long sleeves in her suit. Abagail was dressed up with clothes that she always wheres. It was not hot that day. The grandfather had on a suit. The grandmother had on nearly long sleeves in her suit. How about the long skirts clear to the floor that many had on? If you want to make a mountain out of a molehill keep piling on dirt. All charges were examined and I'm sorry to say, that what every one wanted isn't the way it went. The first charges that were talked about came from the twins, which was thrown out after questioning. So, when all was investigated, the charges were belt and closet which was a pantry. No tying up or whatever anyone wants to say to really make things exciting. That is why everyone now wants to blame the judge. He has all the evidence in front of him, not a lot of idle gossip and false accusations. So, sorry, but you will have to try to accept that the court knows more than you want to pretend you know. Give me a break, any waitress that works in a restaurant that will not serve anyone, the owner would have outside looking in. You are crazier than a nut tree. By expressing your garbage I'm sure others that read this know something doesn't add up. You are setting the record straight all by yourself. Thanks. Not hot that day? You have lost your memory. It was terribly hot. This is why everyone noticed the little girl's long sleeved dress and winter tights. Must be the hateful cousin mouthing off once again.
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Post by Heat on Jun 19, 2008 19:55:36 GMT -5
Not hot that day? You have lost your memory. It was terribly hot. This is why everyone noticed the little girl's long sleeved dress and winter tights. Must be the hateful cousin mouthing off once again. Hateful cousin? Did i miss something? Who are you talking about? Are you a relative of the little girl?
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Post by Wrong Again on Jun 20, 2008 11:42:22 GMT -5
All of this bickering. Does Mi. overseer read these threads I wonder? I wonder if some of the negative is being posted by him or other workers? It sure does seem like there is a group of 2 X 2's that are in the control of some ungodly force. Would you not think the overseer would put an end to this spectacle? Or is this something that he wants. Are those so fighting mad about everything, doing as he wants them to do? If he is against the Mi. case parents so much, then I would say he is instigating a lot of this strife. Pretty soon he will be overseer of an explosion which was once known as truth. The big happy family has become extinct. he is putting an end to it. he stopped the meeting where the abusive parents go. it is the abusive parents father and mothers(granparents) house. the granparents knew about the abuse. I find this comment totally wrong because I live near the grandparents and on Sunday morning their yard was full of cars for their meeting. Evidently someone doesn't know what they are talking about. I am not a 2X2 but have known the grandparents for many years and they are highly respected by everyone that knows them so why would anyone want to lie about them?
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Post by Just the Facts on Jun 20, 2008 12:47:50 GMT -5
These Michigan threads are a JOKE.
The supposed charged/not guilty White Knight out investigating!
The supposed absolved White Knight -- but his big nose in courtroom events. The last place a normal, levelheaded, stable-minded person wants to be. Unless he's JF.
White Knight knows all, tells all, but modifies & deletes his TMB posts.
Who knows if the two-facer White Knight is even charged, we most certainly know he's NOSY.
Back biting between CORRECTIONS/to CORRECTIONS/Disgusting/Right.
For the professing White Knight your testimony on TMB is more than enough to keep us exes away from your faith. Keep posting, your posts speak for themselves, an upright testimony.
Just the FACTS
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Post by Oh well on Jun 20, 2008 13:11:05 GMT -5
Obviously WN has the attention of a few people here that is alittle disturb by the investigation. Wonder who that could be?? Seems like it could be one of 4 people. They know who they are!!!! Can't just pass the buck and not expect to get some reaction from the innocent. People forget, What goes around, Comes around.
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Post by Right Again on Jun 20, 2008 13:57:27 GMT -5
he is putting an end to it. he stopped the meeting where the abusive parents go. it is the abusive parents father and mothers(granparents) house. the granparents knew about the abuse. I find this comment totally wrong because I live near the grandparents and on Sunday morning their yard was full of cars for their meeting. Evidently someone doesn't know what they are talking about. I am not a 2X2 but have known the grandparents for many years and they are highly respected by everyone that knows them so why would anyone want to lie about them? It is their own gathering. It was immediate family and some of the other accused. They don't want it to appear like anything is wrong so they have created a new one. They don't have to answer to anyone.That's a dangerous place to be in.The original people that went to meeting there are going somewhere else. The grandparents knew about the abuse.
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Post by Pat me baby on Jun 20, 2008 14:05:44 GMT -5
Obviously WN has the attention of a few people here that is alittle disturb by the investigation. Wonder who that could be?? Seems like it could be one of 4 people. They know who they are!!!! Can't just pass the buck and not expect to get some reaction from the innocent. People forget, What goes around, Comes around. just keep posting. your righteous spiritual testimonies on tmb speak for themselves, they pat us exes on the back for departing the Truth, the Way. WN is a prime spokesman for the FAITH. Don't believe it -- just ask him. who knows if WN is even charged, besides being exonerated of such, but he has his nose in the courtroom, out investigating in Michigan, modifying posts, deleting posts and on and on and on. nuff said. Those pats are soooooooo soothing. Thanks.
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Post by To Right Again on Jun 20, 2008 15:00:26 GMT -5
Oh you are so absolutely right. Everything is accounted for. And it is a dangerous place. Because, you, me, and all of the rest is going to be accounted for. Did you forget that little fact that you are justifying hate and your comment on the thread says it all. It surely is a dangerous place to be, better check where you are at. Don't be misled by the orders from anyone but above!!!! May all bad spirits comfort and seek each other. May they worship in their own misery and please leave it at the door when they leave so that it is not spread by the wind. May they loath in their own condemnation. May they have peace in their fellowship and don't worry about their souls.
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Post by chubby on Jun 20, 2008 15:05:06 GMT -5
We wil not know anything until the fat lady sings.
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Post by Love and Honor on Jun 21, 2008 9:44:12 GMT -5
I find this comment totally wrong because I live near the grandparents and on Sunday morning their yard was full of cars for their meeting. Evidently someone doesn't know what they are talking about. I am not a 2X2 but have known the grandparents for many years and they are highly respected by everyone that knows them so why would anyone want to lie about them? It is their own gathering. It was immediate family and some of the other accused. They don't want it to appear like anything is wrong so they have created a new one. They don't have to answer to anyone.That's a dangerous place to be in.The original people that went to meeting there are going somewhere else. The grandparents knew about the abuse. No one writing on this post has talked to the grandparents but yet you all know what the grandparents know or knew. What? God made you all mind readers or maybe God made a bunch of gossipers that just like to write bad things. Their fellowship has always been love and honor to God and you call that dangerous. Perhaps JF ought to attend so he can learn what love and honor is instead of creating a mess in the fellowship. Hope you all realize that when the parents get their 4 children home they will be attending the fellowship with their Grandparents. At least they will be answering to God - not to JF. That is definitely a step forward. They will not have to deal with a overseer that thinks he is King and he gives the rules.
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Post by viewer on Jun 21, 2008 9:59:48 GMT -5
It is their own gathering. It was immediate family and some of the other accused. They don't want it to appear like anything is wrong so they have created a new one. They don't have to answer to anyone.That's a dangerous place to be in.The original people that went to meeting there are going somewhere else. The grandparents knew about the abuse. No one writing on this post has talked to the grandparents but yet you all know what the grandparents know or knew. What? God made you all mind readers or maybe God made a bunch of gossipers that just like to write bad things. Their fellowship has always been love and honor to God and you call that dangerous. Perhaps JF ought to attend so he can learn what love and honor is instead of creating a mess in the fellowship. Hope you all realize that when the parents get their 4 children home they will be attending the fellowship with their Grandparents. At least they will be answering to God - not to JF. That is definitely a step forward. They will not have to deal with a overseer that thinks he is King and he gives the rules. Excellent tactic. Point the finger at the overseer so he is to blame for 6 abused children. Some people will stoop to the lowest levels.
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Post by Come om on Jun 21, 2008 14:52:12 GMT -5
Jerome didn't abuse any of the 6 children. One twin is very infactuated with him and has said alot of things. So, we are not sure of who may have abused anyone, but the 4 children is not the problem with Jerome. He has the other two children to his discreetion. He has abused his authority and the faith of people of the fellowship. He has tried to destroy people of the faith. He will not accept anyone without his approval in the faith. He has asked for people to say they lied, when they didn't, to please him. He has encouraged people not to meet with people that have been part of the fellowship for many many years. He has used people in Michigan to his gain and made them monsters. So, yes, Jerome is an abuser. But to other people in the faith. If people would speak up to him, he would be stopped. But, he will abuse you and kick you out!! He needs to read the verse in the bible that says, no one is perfect except Jesus. That happens to be him also. Power ruins many a good person and Jerome was a good person before power became more important that being a loving, caring Godly person. Unless he is hiding something and is desperate!!!!
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Post by lute1812 on Jun 21, 2008 15:38:48 GMT -5
Jerome didn't abuse any of the 6 children. One twin is very infactuated with him and has said alot of things. So, we are not sure of who may have abused anyone, but the 4 children is not the problem with Jerome. He has the other two children to his discreetion. He has abused his authority and the faith of people of the fellowship. He has tried to destroy people of the faith. He will not accept anyone without his approval in the faith. He has asked for people to say they lied, when they didn't, to please him. He has encouraged people not to meet with people that have been part of the fellowship for many many years. He has used people in Michigan to his gain and made them monsters. So, yes, Jerome is an abuser. But to other people in the faith. If people would speak up to him, he would be stopped. But, he will abuse you and kick you out!! He needs to read the verse in the bible that says, no one is perfect except Jesus. That happens to be him also. Power ruins many a good person and Jerome was a good person before power became more important that being a loving, caring Godly person. Unless he is hiding something and is desperate!!!! If you're such a clouting last word, supply the following answers, because they are your accusations. 1. How has he abused his authority? 2. How has he abused the faith of the people in the fellowship? 3. How has he tried to destroy people in the faith? 4. You write with, “he has asked people to lie,” give some details; otherwise, to influence witnesses’ testimony with perjuries is a felony. 5. You write, “If people would speak up to him, he would be stopped.” Why don’t you open your mouth WK. Tell him what verse in the bible he needs to read. You write, “Unless he (JF) is hiding something and is desperate!” WK you’re arrogantly brave at those realities, who knows if you’ve even been charged with anything, but you’ve supposedly been exonerated. Absolved of that purported charge, per your own posts: you’re out in Michigan investigating, you’ve got your big snout stuck in the courtroom activities, you modify your defamatory posts and then delete them, and on and on. And yet you have the presumptuous audacity to crabbily bellyache about JF. Answer your assertions with some realities of why you’ve come to such conclusions. Enlighten us TMB members and guests with you insightful privities. Thanks, Lute1812 I've been outside many years, so feed the TMB audience with some morsels of realism and actually, instead of unfounded allegations.
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Post by Watching on Jun 21, 2008 23:07:07 GMT -5
Jerome didn't abuse any of the 6 children. One twin is very infactuated with him and has said alot of things. So, we are not sure of who may have abused anyone, but the 4 children is not the problem with Jerome. He has the other two children to his discreetion. He has abused his authority and the faith of people of the fellowship. He has tried to destroy people of the faith. He will not accept anyone without his approval in the faith. He has asked for people to say they lied, when they didn't, to please him. He has encouraged people not to meet with people that have been part of the fellowship for many many years. He has used people in Michigan to his gain and made them monsters. So, yes, Jerome is an abuser. But to other people in the faith. If people would speak up to him, he would be stopped. But, he will abuse you and kick you out!! He needs to read the verse in the bible that says, no one is perfect except Jesus. That happens to be him also. Power ruins many a good person and Jerome was a good person before power became more important that being a loving, caring Godly person. Unless he is hiding something and is desperate!!!! If you're such a clouting last word, supply the following answers, because they are your accusations. 1. How has he abused his authority? 2. How has he abused the faith of the people in the fellowship? 3. How has he tried to destroy people in the faith? 4. You write with, “he has asked people to lie,” give some details; otherwise, to influence witnesses’ testimony with perjuries is a felony. 5. You write, “If people would speak up to him, he would be stopped.” Why don’t you open your mouth WK. Tell him what verse in the bible he needs to read. You write, “Unless he (JF) is hiding something and is desperate!” WK you’re arrogantly brave at those realities, who knows if you’ve even been charged with anything, but you’ve supposedly been exonerated. Absolved of that purported charge, per your own posts: you’re out in Michigan investigating, you’ve got your big snout stuck in the courtroom activities, you modify your defamatory posts and then delete them, and on and on. And yet you have the presumptuous audacity to crabbily bellyache about JF. Answer your assertions with some realities of why you’ve come to such conclusions. Enlighten us TMB members and guests with you insightful privities. Thanks, Lute1812 I've been outside many years, so feed the TMB audience with some morsels of realism and actually, instead of unfounded allegations. I am on the outside looking in and perhaps you will be able to answer each one of those allegations if you would like to move to Metro Detroit and open your eyes and this mess is all around you. Then you answer your statements for the rest of the people that live in this area to read. Go for it!!
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Post by Lute1812 unplugged on Jun 21, 2008 23:25:53 GMT -5
If you're such a clouting last word, supply the following answers, because they are your accusations. 1. How has he abused his authority? 2. How has he abused the faith of the people in the fellowship? 3. How has he tried to destroy people in the faith? 4. You write with, “he has asked people to lie,” give some details; otherwise, to influence witnesses’ testimony with perjuries is a felony. 5. You write, “If people would speak up to him, he would be stopped.” Why don’t you open your mouth WK. Tell him what verse in the bible he needs to read. You write, “Unless he (JF) is hiding something and is desperate!” WK you’re arrogantly brave at those realities, who knows if you’ve even been charged with anything, but you’ve supposedly been exonerated. Absolved of that purported charge, per your own posts: you’re out in Michigan investigating, you’ve got your big snout stuck in the courtroom activities, you modify your defamatory posts and then delete them, and on and on. And yet you have the presumptuous audacity to crabbily bellyache about JF. Answer your assertions with some realities of why you’ve come to such conclusions. Enlighten us TMB members and guests with you insightful privities. Thanks, Lute1812 I've been outside many years, so feed the TMB audience with some morsels of realism and actually, instead of unfounded allegations. I am on the outside looking in and perhaps you will be able to answer each one of those allegations if you would like to move to Metro Detroit and open your eyes and this mess is all around you. Then you answer your statements for the rest of the people that live in this area to read. Go for it!! Haaaa, apparently someone that knows me. But, it's Immaterial if I'm in Michigan or not, but I am, in Detro Metro. And only someone that knows me, someone that I've recently e-mailed or PMed with correspondence knows it. So nice try. PM me if you have qualms. Lute1812.
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Post by To Lute 1812 on Jun 22, 2008 9:03:46 GMT -5
You are right Lute, you are on the outside looking in. You should be on the inside looking out. Different perceptive!! You are curious and egging everyone on to try and get information but, that isn't going to work. You pick on WN because you are not up to any charges or anything pertaining to charges. Every single thing will be addressed in due time, but no one has to pretend things are sugarcoated because they aren't familar with the problems. Everyone will meet their KARMA!!!!
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Post by lute1812 on Jun 22, 2008 11:18:12 GMT -5
You are right Lute, you are on the outside looking in. You should be on the inside looking out. Different perceptive!! You are curious and egging everyone on to try and get information but, that isn't going to work. You pick on WN because you are not up to any charges or anything pertaining to charges. Every single thing will be addressed in due time, but no one has to pretend things are sugarcoated because they aren't familar with the problems. Everyone will meet their KARMA!!!! I agree we have different perspective, inside-versus-outside, duh, there's a pearl of wisdom. I'm not egging anybody on, I'm questioning about WK and guests' (who in many instances are the same writer) posts, pertaining to details of their purported privities that they regale that they know all, their scurrilous allegations, their degrading accusations, their inappropriate persecutions, ... of which they and WK fail to back up. And as of this date they/you/WK has failed to provide any answers, either, just proceed to self-importantly beat their chests on their soapboxes. They post their BS and ignore TMB members’ questions or requests regarding backing up your/their flagrant defamatory remarks (of which, yesterday, we have learned that JF is responsible for Rollin Mader’s death). So, WK, you only muddy the water, now, because you make sure you post as a guest and can't be directly refuted or debated by TMB members, in a search of truthful one-on-one answers to your unfounded allegation, your assertions, your debasements.... You've crawled into your protective shell posting as a guest and, yet, you're charged, you're charged and exonerated, you're absolved but you're out in Michigan investigating, your absolved and you have your nose in the courtroom (the last place a stable-minded individual would desire if horrendously bruised by such charges and cleared), you write insulting declarations about others and modify or delete them when confronted... I still see no answers to the several questions I have poised over multiple posts, which concern, exclusively, your written declarations. Lute1812
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Post by For Lute 1812 on Jun 22, 2008 13:43:32 GMT -5
Lute, I am NOT WN, and I have been reading your comments. You say you are an ex. An ex of what? You just seem a little to interested in getting some kind of information, and I can't understand why. Who are you trying to get information for? How does anyone know who you are? Are you a Luke or a Lucy? Anyone that is involved in this case knows most of the facts. If you are wondering just what WN is doing, then do you have a worry about what WN is doing? Seems very much like it. All people, no matter who they are, will be responsible for themselves and sometimes Pay backs are a B----.
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