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Post by oh boy on Jun 4, 2008 20:49:48 GMT -5
Bo said. I don't believe a head worker should be over his home state. When you are from an area, it is hard to be impartial. JF should go to OH and replace Irving Ross.
Hmmm? From what I hear, folks in OH would be in favor of that move. IR will really clean house. Wonder if JF would be welcomed in Ohio? Does anyone know both of these men well enough to make a rational comparison about their beliefs? I have heard that Ross is against being saved by grace alone, must be through the workers. What does JF beieve? Anyone know???
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Post by kencoolidge on Jun 4, 2008 22:17:55 GMT -5
YOU ARE NOT SAYING IR AMD JF DIFFER IN DOCTRINE ARE YOU?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2008 22:35:08 GMT -5
I doubt that there is an overseer anywhere who does not believe that: Salvation = Jesus + Workers + Meeting in the home
There may be a few regular workers who believe a little differently.
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Post by right on on Jun 5, 2008 8:47:42 GMT -5
Come on! Jerome DID NOT create the mess he is in......he inherited LOTS of it. Be fair! I would bet the bank that the person who started this thread is in some way connected to the MI abuse case..... Amen to that!! In case you on-lookers haven't started figuring it out. Most of the hostile posts on the Michigan abuse case are from family of the accused or the accused themselves. When somebody tries to blame you for something, isn't your first instinct to want to try to blame someone else. That takes the focus off of you and doubt enters the minds of on-lookers. It's not rocket science folks. What I have observed on this website is that many of you believe the lies that are being spread. It's fine to read, just take it with a grain of salt. Remember! There are always two sides to every story.
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Post by White Knight on Jun 5, 2008 22:06:45 GMT -5
Come on! Jerome DID NOT create the mess he is in......he inherited LOTS of it. Be fair! I would bet the bank that the person who started this thread is in some way connected to the MI abuse case..... Amen to that!! In case you on-lookers haven't started figuring it out. Most of the hostile posts on the Michigan abuse case are from family of the accused or the accused themselves. When somebody tries to blame you for something, isn't your first instinct to want to try to blame someone else. That takes the focus off of you and doubt enters the minds of on-lookers. It's not rocket science folks. What I have observed on this website is that many of you believe the lies that are being spread. It's fine to read, just take it with a grain of salt. Remember! There are always two sides to every story. You are obviously a distorter of, or trying to do the old concur and divide tactic. Are you a worker or a desperate one on the other side of the coin trying to conceal the issue? It was the twins and the workers that started this mess. We happen to be the ones standing up to people like you who are desperate to control it. WE have knot started yet, that is what you need to really worry about. I have only held back because I've been asked to by different level of people. I also noticed you are not registered.
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Post by Lute1812 on Jun 5, 2008 22:32:26 GMT -5
Amen to that!! In case you on-lookers haven't started figuring it out. Most of the hostile posts on the Michigan abuse case are from family of the accused or the accused themselves. When somebody tries to blame you for something, isn't your first instinct to want to try to blame someone else. That takes the focus off of you and doubt enters the minds of on-lookers. It's not rocket science folks. What I have observed on this website is that many of you believe the lies that are being spread. It's fine to read, just take it with a grain of salt. Remember! There are always two sides to every story. You are obviously a distorter of, or trying to do the old concur and divide tactic. Are you a worker or a desperate one on the other side of the coin trying to conceal the issue? It was the twins and the workers that started this mess. We happen to be the ones standing up to people like you who are desperate to control it. WE have knot started yet, that is what you need to really worry about. I have only held back because I've been asked to by different level of people. I also noticed you are not registered. WK, What does being 'REGISTERED' mean? You get to PM. Even as a REGISTERED user 99% of the users hide behind a fictitious handle and some of those also distort any authentic details on their exposed profiles to guarantee anonymity. So what validity does it have being a REGISTERED user, some disclose their names truthfully: Nathan; Scott Ross; ..., and a few others, otherwise the majority of others use fabricated user names. So, now, what's the exact authenticity in the difference of being ‘registered’ or being a ‘guest' with made-up handles About all, besides PMs, is guaranteeing that I don’t post as White Knight. Lute1812
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Post by guest 100 on Jun 6, 2008 7:06:57 GMT -5
About all, besides PMs, is guaranteeing that I don’t post as White Knight. Lute1812 And that would KNOT be the thing to do.
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Post by right on on Jun 6, 2008 17:35:10 GMT -5
Amen to that!! In case you on-lookers haven't started figuring it out. Most of the hostile posts on the Michigan abuse case are from family of the accused or the accused themselves. When somebody tries to blame you for something, isn't your first instinct to want to try to blame someone else. That takes the focus off of you and doubt enters the minds of on-lookers. It's not rocket science folks. What I have observed on this website is that many of you believe the lies that are being spread. It's fine to read, just take it with a grain of salt. Remember! There are always two sides to every story. You are obviously a distorter of, or trying to do the old concur and divide tactic. Are you a worker or a desperate one on the other side of the coin trying to conceal the issue? It was the twins and the workers that started this mess. We happen to be the ones standing up to people like you who are desperate to control it. WE have knot started yet, that is what you need to really worry about. I have only held back because I've been asked to by different level of people. I also noticed you are not registered. I am neither of what you describe and wouldn't you like to know who I am. Hmmm... I guess I'll tell you. My name is INFORMED. You mention WE. Does this mean you, the parents of the children and the rest of the accused? Wouldn't that make my original post accurate? So you holding back means you haven't shown your true colors. I'm sure everyone reading this will appreciate that. Well, I've always thought those who are innocent of a crime let it all play out since they know they have nothing to hide and know that God knows. Those who are guilty desperately try to cover up the issues, defend themselves and fight the opposing party. I'm just an observer and find it so very obvious that you, White Knight, are scared.
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Post by bogman on Jun 7, 2008 20:41:27 GMT -5
You are obviously a distorter of, or trying to do the old concur and divide tactic. Are you a worker or a desperate one on the other side of the coin trying to conceal the issue? It was the twins and the workers that started this mess. We happen to be the ones standing up to people like you who are desperate to control it. WE have knot started yet, that is what you need to really worry about. I have only held back because I've been asked to by different level of people. I also noticed you are not registered. I am neither of what you describe and wouldn't you like to know who I am. Hmmm... I guess I'll tell you. My name is INFORMED. You mention WE. Does this mean you, the parents of the children and the rest of the accused? Wouldn't that make my original post accurate? So you holding back means you haven't shown your true colors. I'm sure everyone reading this will appreciate that. Well, I've always thought those who are innocent of a crime let it all play out since they know they have nothing to hide and know that God knows. Those who are guilty desperately try to cover up the issues, defend themselves and fight the opposing party. I'm just an observer and find it so very obvious that you, White Knight, are scared. Unless you want to look like the rest that dealt or tangled with WK. I'd advise to back of him. He does not scare easily. Has not lost a case of any sort. In court or out. Yes I know WK along with several others that are registered and unregistered. He is a factual person. Maybe you like to read his posts from April/08, on.
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Post by White Knight on Jun 7, 2008 21:09:10 GMT -5
I am neither of what you describe and wouldn't you like to know who I am. Hmmm... I guess I'll tell you. My name is INFORMED. You mention WE. Does this mean you, the parents of the children and the rest of the accused? Wouldn't that make my original post accurate? So you holding back means you haven't shown your true colors. I'm sure everyone reading this will appreciate that. Well, I've always thought those who are innocent of a crime let it all play out since they know they have nothing to hide and know that God knows. Those who are guilty desperately try to cover up the issues, defend themselves and fight the opposing party. I'm just an observer and find it so very obvious that you, White Knight, are scared.[/quote]
You and lute1812 look to be the same people, same time frame in posting. You are correct GOD knows about this whole situation. If you were that well informed as you proclaim. You would have understood me and not challenged me. Why are you so desperate to discredit the WK. Looks more like you are scared. THE READERS on this forum save a few. Have a very good IQ. PS. Also seems happy how this forum like others, has had the topic hijacked. Talk about a diversion tactic.
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Post by Lute1812 on Jun 8, 2008 11:09:32 GMT -5
You are wrong again White Knight.
'Right On' and me are not the same person, that's how you got yourself caught in a vice a month ago so, with me, by posting inaccurate or, in the least, failing to back up your exalted position of condescending persecution with no authentic and credible truth/facts.
Afraid of you, ‘Are we first graders?’ everyone has seen who took all the confrontation and deleted their scurrilous post pertaining to the sister workers due to no integrated reliability. I posted my name. I've seen nothing that you have chest-poundingly posted to cause me to follow your cause, specifically, because of your ranting and raving parade to this point. Your blind fury only turns off many that might be sympathetic to your position, including myself, but that does not hinder me reading your posts open-mindedly.
I'm not saying I'd not be bitter if falsely accused in the MI quagmire, but your foot-stomping and tantrums are only pertinent to a single issue since you began posting on TMB. Just communicate the facts and quit whining when someone in the US-of-A differs from your opinion. Present the particulars, stand by them, and quit wailing like the schoolyard bully, because everyone does not support your position. Present the specific details, stand by them, quit your insane bellowing when disputed, regroup and mount some integrity. Does it sound redundant?
If falsely accused are you regrettably and deplorably abused by this dilemma? Absolutely.
As I mentioned above WK was the one who deleted his post, oh, that's right, first he modified it a few times when challenged to introduce facts to back-up his insinuations. And your buddy, 'bogman, who does he think he is the 'boooogyman,' 'with his threatening post. He/she/WK should do some backdating to see what really occurred. 'Tangling' with WK, or anyone, on TMB doesn't make me shudder; there are many upright and commendable TMB posters I dependably respect for their convincing honesty and sincere stances from my months on this board. Exen some who I have, admittedly, differed with.
'Bogman,' or whomever, you look idiotic with this post, the prose appears to be similar to WK’s writing style, but that's just an opinion.
Unless you want to look like the rest that dealt or tangled with WK. I'd advise to back of him. He does not scare easily. Has not lost a case of any sort. In court or out. Yes I know WK along with several others that are registered and unregistered. He is a factual person. Maybe you like to read his posts from April/08, on.
Got to head out for a run, bye.
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Post by TMB Memory Division on Jun 8, 2008 18:29:20 GMT -5
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Post by calleduntoliberty on Jun 9, 2008 5:13:10 GMT -5
I doubt that there is an overseer anywhere who does not believe that: Salvation = Jesus + Workers + Meeting in the home There may be a few regular workers who believe a little differently. I assume you've asked them all. Certainly you wouldn't make such an overly broad generalization without proof.
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Post by horsehair on Jun 9, 2008 5:32:55 GMT -5
I doubt that there is an overseer anywhere who does not believe that: Salvation = Jesus + Workers + Meeting in the home There may be a few regular workers who believe a little differently. I assume you've asked them all. Certainly you wouldn't make such an overly broad generalization without proof. And I assume you've gotten off your butt and found out what your overseer believes on the subject. The poster clearly said, "I doubt", meaning he was not making a statement of fact. I am amazed day by day how someone such as yourself can claim to be a member of the 2x2 fellowship while still being so ignorant to its core beliefs. Listening to you, some stranger off the street might think the 2x2 fellowship is no different then any other non-denominational church. Have you not been around? Have you not heard the legalism the platform each convention and special meeting? Have you not heard salvation through human effort coming from countless testimonies?
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Post by calleduntoliberty on Jun 9, 2008 6:31:36 GMT -5
And I assume you've gotten off your butt and found out what your overseer believes on the subject. Considering the fact that I'm not the one making over-generalizations, that's completely irrelevant. I have, however, heard salvation preached as coming by grace, through Jesus, not by our own works, etc. You mean I haven't learned to lie about our beliefs like so many of the "exes". Every church is different from any other, so that's a silly thing to say. I've heard salvation by grace, by Jesus' blood, etc., not by our works.
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Post by horsehair on Jun 9, 2008 6:43:09 GMT -5
And I assume you've gotten off your butt and found out what your overseer believes on the subject. Considering the fact that I'm not the one making over-generalizations, that's completely irrelevant. But you are! You are the one who is setting aside hundreds and hundreds of years of personal experiences by former members and saying they're wrong and liars! And is this believed and preached by every worker you've heard or just a small handful? Why would they lie? Why would they make up false statements about the fellowship? Why would so many of their lies come from personal first hand accounts told in their testimonies? Why would all the lies of so many line up so perfectly? How foolish of you to suggest those who have left the fellowship are liars about what they've experienced! The mormons say they preach the same thing, yet we know the truth. How easy you call the exes liars and deny their personal experiences in the fellowship. Shame on you! You are a member of an exclusive sect whose leadership believes all other churches and ministries are false. Oh Lord, when will CUL's eyes be open?
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Post by typical on Jun 9, 2008 6:46:39 GMT -5
CUL is in typical 2x2 denial.
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Post by calleduntoliberty on Jun 9, 2008 6:59:38 GMT -5
You are the one who is setting aside hundreds and hundreds of years of personal experiences by former members and saying they're wrong and liars! Oh, I thought it started in 1897! I guess I was wrong, it's hundreds of years old! I don't really pay attention to who says what. Not just a handful though. But workers and non-workers preach this. Because they have a strong interest in discrediting the group. They twist them around, take them out of context, misinterpret them, and leave out important parts of the story that aren't consistent with their agenda. 1.) They don't. 2.) A community like this tends to attract a certain type with common experiences and interests. Have I? I've suggested that some -- a few, perhaps -- might be out-right lying about their experiences. Most of the obvious lies, however, are broad general statements that are not specific to any one person's experience. Do they? The Mormons teach that they will become gods and rule their own world some day. How easy for you to say "shame on you" and make accusations against me. Shame on you! I am a member of the church of Christ. What are you a member of?
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Post by stick to the facts on Jun 13, 2008 20:11:41 GMT -5
Everyone thinks if you say something negative about someones actions, then they are of the family of the accused. Wrong, when something stinks, that is the fact. Michigan is a mess and a lot of people have been mortified by what is going on. Things have been said that people will live with for the rest of their lives. False allegations are not just a little tale. They are upsetting and disruptive to a person's life. Since there are over 200 names on the list, I hope every single person that thinks Oh well, their name is one of them. There are names from all over. So, don't hold your breath. The overseer is hell bent on having things just the way he says, he doesn't worry about others. Power and Control. That is the name of the game. Anyone that wants to be under those rules, go for it. Peace and joy to you. What would you think it is? A fellowship, a religion, or a cult.
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Post by more facts on Jun 13, 2008 20:19:47 GMT -5
The kingdom money got JF and his accomplices to the court on time. Wonder how much gas money it was to get those Ex sister workers here from Georgia? Of course, how much to get them back. But people, giving to the fellowship is important, and who would question why so much is wasted and why is that a priority? JF is obseessed with the court hearings? Wonder what is the reason? To bad he can't give orders to the judge too. All members must shake in their shoes when the almighty speaks!!! But remember, it is important to give to the kingdom. Must buy that way to heaven!!
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Post by FACTS on Jun 15, 2008 6:46:23 GMT -5
QUOTE:The kingdom money got JF and his accomplices to the court on time. Wonder how much gas money it was to get those Ex sister workers here from Georgia? Of course, how much to get them back. But people, giving to the fellowship is important, and who would question why so much is wasted and why is that a priority? JF is obseessed with the court hearings? Wonder what is the reason? To bad he can't give orders to the judge too. All members must shake in their shoes when the almighty speaks!!! But remember, it is important to give to the kingdom. Must buy that way to heaven
IMO it the AUNT who is "out of control" NOT the overseer. What JF does is really NONE of your business. If you are not asked for information, just keep OUT of it!!!! You KNOW JF could NOT win with you......If he weren't there, you would have LOTS to say too! YOU are nothing but a BITTER ex. Some exes can speak civil.......
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Post by More Facts on Jun 15, 2008 11:24:05 GMT -5
Iam not a bitter EX!!!!!!! I am an ex because of the way the religion is versus how the religion is preached. You can not say you are homeless, no money, no possessions, when you have everything you desire. How much money do you have? That is the secret you would like everyone to think. None, I know now!!! JF had little to say because his past actions were repulsive, and do not accuse others of being a liar, when you are going around repeating lies yourself. That is what JF has been doing. Why would he try to set his own people against other people that are not EX's? And this is suppose to be God's religion, not his. Who is he to say to who can belong and who can't? Only cults do that!!!!!!!! God recognizes his people not JF. He will be standing right along with every single other person on judgment day, and his input will not be asked of him from God!! I'm st court because of love and concern. Not gossip and malice actions.
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Post by FACTS AGAIN on Jun 15, 2008 14:47:54 GMT -5
Just remember YOU are going to stand before the righteous judge one day also with NO ONE there to help defend you and I am GLAD I won't be in your shoes. HATE, HATE, HATE. I have NEVER seen the likes.........Talk about a loose cannon.......... WOW!!!!!!!
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Post by tithing on Jun 15, 2008 17:47:42 GMT -5
those who tithe are trying to buy thier way toheaven
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Post by sorry you on Jun 15, 2008 18:10:57 GMT -5
Heh facts again, seems like you are the one full of hate. You are the one that recognizes what hate hate hate is. I feel sorry for you. You must pity someone that miserable.
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Post by Those on Jun 15, 2008 18:35:24 GMT -5
that give to workers are trying to also buy their way to heaven. Those that hide the money in secret bank accounts are trying to get to hell.
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Post by nope on Jun 15, 2008 18:38:39 GMT -5
Doubt it those
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Post by just wondering on Jun 17, 2008 20:30:01 GMT -5
I heard there is an investigation going on about money. Hope that is pursued good. Wonder how many elders would lie about hiding money to the government? The workers are never without anything. Someone is always getting it for them. We all need a job like that. anything you need and leisure. Drive around in a nice lincoln and just pump gas and bill someone else. Drive miles for the dumbest reason with someone else paying the bill. With this fringe benefit they get, they are suppose to have at least one mission once in a year. Then they can preach about being homeless, moneyless and etc. Just hide the fancy car so no one sees it when they come. Keep the hand closed so no one sees the money being slipped.
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