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Post by gloryintruth on May 29, 2008 5:40:20 GMT -5
He has 2 X 2 members against each other, he has meetings in turmoil, he is going around making false allegations, he is using bully techniques to accomplish what he wants, not what is right. He is instructed everyone what to do and if not out you go.
Hyperbole - the methodology of those who wish to drum up support for a crusade.
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Post by just wondering on May 29, 2008 8:55:49 GMT -5
Has anyone in Michigan talked to the Gaylord church that is in havoc? Has anyone talked to all the innocent people that are involved in this mess? Has anyone talked to the church where the parents go? Whom do you blame for the mess? There is not a decision made without JF's O.K. and everyone knows that. He cracks the whip like a controller, which everyone knows. Who would have enough guts to stand up to him? If you do, you will have scars to show. You would not find one other Michigan worker that would cross him. Talk to him and see how much compassion he has and how much he cares!! Try talking to him if he is against anything about you. Try explaining anything to him if his mind is made up about things. Try to tell him facts versus fiction. You'll need the all mighty strength to do it!!!!
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Post by The answer is in prayer on May 29, 2008 9:22:00 GMT -5
Then I guess all you have left is to take it to the Lord in prayer. It doesn't matter which church you go to, does it? I can sense a VERY hostile spirit here.
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Post by just wondering on May 29, 2008 9:32:50 GMT -5
Hostile is putting it in the wrong perspective. Disillussioned yes, dismayed yes, disappointed yes, discouraged yes. When it is suppose to be one big loving family, all with the same knowledge and understanding when does the compassion start? You should get your guidance from God and not have your complete belief dictated by a overseer. I would think you would get uplifted and helped, not put down or put out. No one can be put out in God's way. It is not owned by no one. Your life and spirit is controlled by God. Wonder how long it will be before we have confession with the overseer. After confession he could then tell you how to do it, where to do it and when to do it.
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Post by Youre Wrong on May 29, 2008 10:38:45 GMT -5
Come on! Jerome DID NOT create the mess he is in......he inherited LOTS of it. Be fair! I would bet the bank that the person who started this thread is in some way connected to the MI abuse case..... Wrong! JF started the mess and JF doesn't know how to get out of his mess. I am sure he has gone to the bank to support those girls. "Once a fool - always a fool"
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Post by Brick on May 29, 2008 10:43:41 GMT -5
I'm curious about "this mess." Would someone please explain to me exactly what "this mess" is? If you would prefer to PM or email, that is fine.
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Post by disgusted also on May 29, 2008 13:41:00 GMT -5
"The mess" is the supposed Michigan abuse case. The Russian twins have accused in excess of 200 people in Michigan of sexually molesting them. People who were not in Michigan, or living in Michigan at the time of the supposedly assault, many people in their neighborhood, practically any male they have ever came in contact with, owners of convention grounds, doctors, mail carriers, Brother Workers. When this case was evolving, some of the friends and workers were telling some that they believed the accusations, which was very hurtful to others. Also, I have heard that the twins parents were not even included in the Special Mtg visits by the workers. Doesn't seem like a Christian thing to do. I believe that may be why some are blaming JF. Also, why was our Michigan Brother Worker told he couldn't continue in the work when the twins made accusations against him? There was no evidence against him, and he has not been charged with anything, but he remains out of the work. We are very short of workers here in Michigan. I believe that there have been many poor judgments and decisions made that were of Satan, not the Lord. All we can do now is pray for all involved. Especially those who have been shunned. My heart really goes out to them, and maybe this is a test for them and they will be able to stand true after this all ends. We can pray for JF that in the future he will make wiser decisions.
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Post by Just Wondering on May 29, 2008 14:36:06 GMT -5
Question:
When did JF come back to MI as its overseer from KY?
Thanks, Just Wondering
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Post by Also wondering on May 30, 2008 11:44:35 GMT -5
"The mess" is the supposed Michigan abuse case. The Russian twins have accused in excess of 200 people in Michigan of sexually molesting them. People who were not in Michigan, or living in Michigan at the time of the supposedly assault, many people in their neighborhood, practically any male they have ever came in contact with, owners of convention grounds, doctors, mail carriers, Brother Workers. When this case was evolving, some of the friends and workers were telling some that they believed the accusations, which was very hurtful to others. Also, I have heard that the twins parents were not even included in the Special Mtg visits by the workers. Doesn't seem like a Christian thing to do. I believe that may be why some are blaming JF. Also, why was our Michigan Brother Worker told he couldn't continue in the work when the twins made accusations against him? There was no evidence against him, and he has not been charged with anything, but he remains out of the work. We are very short of workers here in Michigan. I believe that there have been many poor judgments and decisions made that were of Satan, not the Lord. All we can do now is pray for all involved. Especially those who have been shunned. My heart really goes out to them, and maybe this is a test for them and they will be able to stand true after this all ends. We can pray for JF that in the future he will make wiser decisions. JF is not wise enough to make the right decisions. Besides, who is JF to make decisions anyways? His decision making has created havoc among HIS members. What JF forgot is the religion is not his and shame on the members giving him the title to rule. This has become quite the SHAME of JF's ability and yet no member has enough strength through God to stand-up to him and tell him it's time he leaves!!!
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Post by Tinas apology on May 30, 2008 12:05:16 GMT -5
You'll find Tina's apology in this thread.
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Post by degem on May 30, 2008 12:10:08 GMT -5
Thanks- I was looking at the "controversial threads" instead . Gem
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Post by Fat Lady on May 30, 2008 13:34:41 GMT -5
Yes, you are suppose to have your faith in God. The troubles seems to be that there are to many Gods. Gods can become dictatorship. With dictatorship there are many ill deeds. That is why when there is a crime committed that many overseers doesn't think it is necessary to inform anyone, just move the person and pretend all is well. That produces ill deeds. A person can lose all faith and hope being under a dictators rule. That is because, even though they want to know the real God, they are under someone else's control and lose sight on what is right and what is wrong. I guess it is as the old saying goes, It's not over until the fat lady sings. Honey, I am the fat lady and YES I will be singing. I have been practicing my new song, titled "The blind that leads the blind and they all fell in the ditch".
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Post by Bo on May 30, 2008 13:41:46 GMT -5
Jerome left KY about 2000 when Weldon Burgess (then MI) overseer passed away. Glenn Gasser became the head worker of KY and left this year for North Dakota. Greg Harger is now the head worker of KY.
I don't believe a head worker should be over his home state. When you are from an area, it is hard to be impartial. JF should go to OH and replace Irving Ross.
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Post by Ohhh on May 30, 2008 13:49:26 GMT -5
Jerome left KY about 2000 when Weldon Burgess (then MI) overseer passed away. Glenn Gasser became the head worker of KY and left this year for North Dakota. Greg Harger is now the head worker of KY. I don't believe a head worker should be over his home state. When you are from an area, it is hard to be impartial. JF should go to OH and replace Irving Ross. So if JF has been the overseer in MI since 2000 how did all this mess SLIP UP on him? The gals might have SLIPPED UP on him, but if he's been there since 2000. Maybe to much gallivanting around the world accumulating those frequent flier miles. Talked to someone a few weeks ago inside, I've been out a numer of years, and he mentioned that JF is WAY UP THERE in the faith. Ohhh
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Post by White Knight on May 30, 2008 21:02:49 GMT -5
Believe it or not, there, are five workers involved in this mess. Three are brother workers two are sister workers. And all have been at the hearings. And all are now being investigated. Also to the, question about must have been one of the accused that started this thread. Don’t think so. But some one that is upset with what is gong on. And I do think that is self explanatory.
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Post by degem on May 30, 2008 21:10:03 GMT -5
to White Knight: you are talking about the "mess" involving the Russian Children in the north ?
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Post by Bambi on May 30, 2008 22:42:22 GMT -5
Gem, how far are you from this mess? Opposite end of the state? You don't have to say exactly just a general idea.
I find it telling that you don't know anything about it. Do you have the workers in your field very often in your home? Do they not say anything about it? It is inexcusable that secrets are kept but this is something that is happening in your own state. It's crazy. (Assuming no one is tallking about it in your area.) I mean, don't you go to convention with these workers and people? Wow.
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Post by What Hat on May 30, 2008 23:43:16 GMT -5
Bambi, Your byline just reminded me of a short that was popular in my student days. And here it is on 'youtube' youtube.com/watch?v=tAVYYe87b9wI'm not sure if it relates; don't read too much into my posting it here. As I said you mentioning Bambi just reminded me of it. LATER EDIT: Whoops. I just realized that 'Bambi' is your handle. I thought you were making an editorial comment on the board. Sorry about that, didn't mean to crush you ...
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Post by also wondering on May 31, 2008 7:52:01 GMT -5
Has anyone else noticed how disconnected JF has become? He is only concerned with the problems that pertain to him. And those problems have taken over everything. Are there any missions going on anywhere? JF and BD, from Traverse City area, are running around like a chicken without a head. Possessed with the mess that is in the state, and involved in it up to their necks. JF has lost workers and how is he going to be making up for it? He has made some really really bad calls and it is surely showing. His ability to overseer the state is in jeopardy and I wonder what other overseers in the other areas have noticed. Who can take control to correct all that is being done? Or do we have to just put up with a problem that is taking a big hit on the religion?
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Post by Did you know on May 31, 2008 8:00:46 GMT -5
O.K., no gal workers slipped up on JF. Jf was overseer in Fla. for about a yr. I assume. He then was overseer of Ky. for quite sometimes before coming to Mi. The two Gal workers, ex-workers, KH and SJ was from guess where. Jf brought SJ from Fla. and KH from Ky. They were his mouthpiece in all the mess. Everyones knows that JF would never ever let a decision be made without his branding on it. To bad he can't remove that burnt in branding now, because it sure looks bad on his judgment. His gal friends have run but they can't hide. He must remember that when he doesn't want to talk about something his famous words are, I have to leave. He also is running not leaving.
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Post by just wondering on Jun 4, 2008 7:13:27 GMT -5
Well now that the thread is back and working, where is JF now and what is he up too. I'm sure he is concentrating on that next court hearing, as that is so important to him. He doesn't have time for a mission with all that consuming his feeble mind. Did anyone notice how much select memory he has now? He can't recall, he can't remember, he doesn't think so but he sure won't forget a court hearing date. How about those sister [ex] workers. How are they going to come from way down south? JF has his way for traveling, so I'm sure they will be taken care of to make that big trip.
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Post by Scott Ross on Jun 4, 2008 8:13:48 GMT -5
Well now that the thread is back and working, where is JF now and what is he up too. I'm sure he is concentrating on that next court hearing, as that is so important to him. Just curious as to why Jerome would need to be involved in a child custody court case. When you say it is 'so important to him', just what are you referring to? Scott
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Post by Jasper on Jun 4, 2008 15:35:18 GMT -5
Believe it or not, there, are five workers involved in this mess. Three are brother workers two are sister workers. And all have been at the hearings. And all are now being investigated. Also to the, question about must have been one of the accused that started this thread. Don’t think so. But some one that is upset with what is gong on. And I do think that is self explanatory. Can it be assumed the sister workers are still in MI, from your information, or do they drive in seperate from their new homes? Jasper
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Post by Me POOR on Jun 4, 2008 16:45:55 GMT -5
He is using kingdom money to travel around the state trashing anyone he dislikes. ...Kingdom Money...!! What the heck is Kingdom money? Another 2x2 terminology??
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Post by matchsticks on Jun 4, 2008 16:52:02 GMT -5
Well now that the thread is back and working, where is JF now and what is he up too. He's just back from Houston where he went with a big box of matches ;D
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Post by player on Jun 4, 2008 16:58:42 GMT -5
Well now that the thread is back and working, where is JF now and what is he up too. This could be the new TMB game, 'where in the world is Jerome ?'
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Post by Jennifer on Jun 4, 2008 17:35:37 GMT -5
Isn't JF's field the western Detroit area?
Jenny
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Post by White Knight on Jun 4, 2008 20:29:04 GMT -5
to White Knight: you are talking about the "mess" involving the Russian Children in the north ? YES.
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