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Post by Grief on Nov 20, 2011 3:10:13 GMT -5
Ownership of the new convention grounds? Does this new convention belong to the church? I believe huge sums of money is being spent on building work and adapting the premises. Is this all necessary for 4 days of convention a year?
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Post by Grief on Dec 11, 2011 17:23:14 GMT -5
Is this good management and planning to close 3 conventions in England and then buy a new property for a huge sum of money and plough hundreds of thousands into adapting the buildings for a new convention? Who's money are they using for this new venue?
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Post by msew on Dec 12, 2011 2:35:35 GMT -5
Which three conventions in England are closing? And where is the new venue to be constructed?
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Post by Grief on Dec 12, 2011 3:05:48 GMT -5
We hear Suffolk and Somerset ( Curry Rival ) have closed and West Hanney is on the cards and is next to close. New venue somewhere around Gloucester.
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Post by msew on Dec 12, 2011 21:49:25 GMT -5
I'm wonder if numbers are shrinking so fast that three conventions could be amalgamated into one. West Hanney used to have about 300 people on the bank holiday weekend in the 70's. The other two a bit less.
Many older ones at least in the South are passing away with few to replace them.
It will be interesting to see what eventuates.
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Post by Grief on Dec 27, 2011 13:53:32 GMT -5
Suffolk convention closed because the numbers were shrinking. We hear Somerset closed very abruptly without much planning and the new convention venue is not very far away distance wise. What is disturbing, there is a strong suspicion the convention could have been bought with the church money!! I believe a number of the friends are upset about this!
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Post by emerald on Jan 3, 2012 19:21:43 GMT -5
I've heard the new grounds have been bought with church money and a caretaker family is to be installed. There is some concern that the reasons for closing Somerset (purpose built) and West Hanney (central with good, up-to-date facilities) have not been shared with the English friends, some saying that it's only encouraging wild speculation that's not edifying. The new grounds are not central for most and will not be ready until next year at the earliest. These grounds will serve no purpose other than a venue for the convention.
The purchase price is thought to have exceeded £1m.
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Post by aus1 on Jan 4, 2012 4:56:36 GMT -5
I reckon Norman Henderson and Ken paginton would turn in their graves if they knew a convention place was purchased by the workers and not on a 'friends' farm
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Post by ts on Jan 4, 2012 11:48:06 GMT -5
I reckon Norman Henderson and Ken paginton would turn in their graves if they knew a convention place was purchased by the workers and not on a 'friends' farm ...you are probably right. I would hope that they would be especially disturbed that so much is put into the grounds with declining numbers. If the workers have so much money to put into purpose built convention grounds for fewer people, why did they not use that money to go out and preach the gospel instead? Is their gospel that ineffective? Perhaps they could re evaluate their doctrine and see if there is any falseness there that turns honest hearts away.
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Post by Happy Feet on Jan 4, 2012 17:37:21 GMT -5
In all honesty it is a church building but they call it convention grounds which in their eyes is ok. It is owned by the church for the purpose of hold church gatherings - so it is a church.
Hire a church camp for a weekend if they want a few days retreat - they use a church for funerals so why not a camp for convention. Would save millions a year. It would not cost the church either, unless they wanted it to - the friends could pay for themselves. That way the money could be used for the gospel instead of building big buildings for 4 days convention for a few people a year.
300 people for a convention? Many churches have over a thousand people every Sunday while they can only gather 300 for a convention. The zeal of the early workers has gone and they are left with a dying church. Only children who have been brought up in it join with few if any converts from outside. The workers are wasting their time. As someone said it is money spent on conventions which could be better spent reaching out to the world.
Maybe Irvine's vision of stopping holding Gospel meetings and just wait for the Lord's return is being fulfilled whether they like it or not. Now I read that somewhere about Irvine, and was one of the reasons he was sent to Israel.
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Post by onceuponatime on Feb 1, 2012 20:04:34 GMT -5
Good point about the zeal of the early workers
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Post by emerald on Apr 20, 2012 19:31:12 GMT -5
H today that West Hanney had to close owing to land next to it being developed for residential purposes in the near future so the farm which is practically in the village of West Hanney, was no longer suitable.
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Post by sgw on May 15, 2012 14:39:58 GMT -5
I've heard the new grounds have been bought with church money and a caretaker family is to be installed. There is some concern that the reasons for closing Somerset (purpose built) and West Hanney (central with good, up-to-date facilities) have not been shared with the English friends, some saying that it's only encouraging wild speculation that's not edifying. The new grounds are not central for most and will not be ready until next year at the earliest. These grounds will serve no purpose other than a venue for the convention. The purchase price is thought to have exceeded £1m. Some misinformation here it seems... A bit of asking about showed that the grounds bought were a horse eventing place previously. Purchased by the people who will live there, and to be used as a convention centre year round for other conventions whoever will rent it. It will be unavailable for bookings at the normal convention times. Place was chosen for its quite central location to those who will go there rather than the other convention places.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2012 16:01:27 GMT -5
I've heard the new grounds have been bought with church money and a caretaker family is to be installed. There is some concern that the reasons for closing Somerset (purpose built) and West Hanney (central with good, up-to-date facilities) have not been shared with the English friends, some saying that it's only encouraging wild speculation that's not edifying. The new grounds are not central for most and will not be ready until next year at the earliest. These grounds will serve no purpose other than a venue for the convention. The purchase price is thought to have exceeded £1m. Some misinformation here it seems... A bit of asking about showed that the grounds bought were a horse eventing place previously. Purchased by the people who will live there, and to be used as a convention centre year round for other conventions whoever will rent it. It will be unavailable for bookings at the normal convention times. Place was chosen for its quite central location to those who will go there rather than the other convention places. Hmmmm - not too sure about some details here. I have heard (from a few sources) that the purchaser is from Ireland. Yes I believe the occupiers are caretakers.
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Post by sgw on May 16, 2012 13:55:50 GMT -5
I think that's an issue, that many people are unsure of details and then post some of those unsure details. I've been guilty of that too. The purchaser is the occupier.
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Post by Grief on May 18, 2012 3:10:47 GMT -5
There could be some wrong info posted here. The owners of this new property at Gloucester aren't the owners but care takers only! The owners of the new property are visible to see and are available from the Land Registry.
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Post by sgw on May 18, 2012 15:09:45 GMT -5
The owners of this new property at Gloucester aren't the owners but care takers only!
That doesn't make sense. I still maintain that the owners are in fact the owners!
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2012 17:43:55 GMT -5
"I still maintain that the owners are in fact the owners! "
Sounds reasonable.
However I believe the occupiers are not the owners. Who put up the money?
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Post by dmmichgood on May 24, 2012 13:15:32 GMT -5
Purchased by the people who will live there, and to be used as a convention centre year round for other conventions whoever will rent it. It will be unavailable for bookings at the normal convention times. When you rent out to "other conventions"(I'm assumming non-Truth conventions)what about liability insurance?
Surely you need it. Who pays for that, the owners or the workers?
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2012 16:09:20 GMT -5
Waterloo I sent you a message
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Post by emerald on May 24, 2012 17:03:03 GMT -5
I expect the owners will pay Public Liability insurance? I imagine they intend the place to generate income for 10 months of the year.
That said, the lack of transparency regarding the closures of the other conventions is deplorable. Cruel stories about the heartiness of the owners, speculation about heartiness of children etc. abound and I'm sure are unfounded. Why can't the workers and head worker see what happens when there is a lack of information? Rumours and lies fill the void! Who or what are they trying to protect? It just doesn't make sense.
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Post by sgw on Jun 3, 2012 6:52:17 GMT -5
West Hanney seems to be over-run with attendees. Despite weather not being ideal, there's no room for more. Seems that the new place will be very necessary if this keeps up.
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Post by MsMarie on Jun 13, 2012 4:45:58 GMT -5
I no longer profess, but even I have heard the rumours and speculation. There is a lot of hostility toward the overseer who peremptorily closed the conventions and no consultation seems to have taken place at all, so the conclusion is being drawn that the overseer fell out with the owners of the closed convention grounds. The new place was on the market for over a million pounds and has been purchased outright and without any proper information being issued, so then the conclusion (right or wrong) is that it has been purchased by worker held accumulated funds which are reputed to be very, very large.
The paper owner of the new property is said to be not the occupier but a caretaker family and this seems to be accepted as the case. The holiday cottages on this former equestrian property will be let for income (complete with TVs etc) or maybe they will become homes for retired workers eventually. We can only watch this space with fascinated interest!
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Post by stargazer on Jun 13, 2012 16:28:02 GMT -5
So all the posters here could attend and there would still be room?
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Post by stevemid on Jul 15, 2012 6:35:48 GMT -5
Just for those that may be interested. If you use Google Earth and search for West Hanney you will see the convention tents in situ. Actual position is 51'36'55.26"N 1'25'06,62"E :-)
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Post by Gene on Jul 15, 2012 9:01:22 GMT -5
Just for those that may be interested. If you use Google Earth and search for West Hanney you will see the convention tents in situ. Actual position is 51'36'55.26"N 1'25'06,62"E :-) It must be a very wet convention.
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Post by stevemid on Jul 16, 2012 11:23:23 GMT -5
It is unlikely that the Google pic was taken this year. However, I think that the weather in May was not too bad. It is a shame that Google Street View was not done on the same day.
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Post by ScholarGal on Jul 16, 2012 11:51:19 GMT -5
Just for those that may be interested. If you use Google Earth and search for West Hanney you will see the convention tents in situ. Actual position is 51'36'55.26"N 1'25'06,62"E :-) It must be a very wet convention. I concur with the wet convention. You'd need a ferry or a cruise ship to have convention there. maps.google.com/maps?q=51.61535,+1.418506&ll=51.618017,1.40625&spn=4.721217,9.481201&t=m&z=7
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