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Post by MsMarie on Sept 28, 2011 5:53:01 GMT -5
Reading through the boards I notice that new convention grounds and buildings in the States are being purchased by workers, which has yet to be explained by them in the light of previously upheld principles of owning no properties.
I have heard rumours here in UK that a property and land worth over a million pounds is in the process of negotiation and to say the friends are abuzz over it, is an understatement!
Does anyone know what is going on?
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Post by rational on Sept 28, 2011 20:47:12 GMT -5
Reading through the boards I notice that new convention grounds and buildings in the States are being purchased by workers, which has yet to be explained by them in the light of previously upheld principles of owning no properties. I have heard rumours here in UK that a property and land worth over a million pounds is in the process of negotiation and to say the friends are abuzz over it, is an understatement! Does anyone know what is going on? Are being purchased by workers or are said to being purchased by workers?
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Post by eh? on Sept 28, 2011 22:02:21 GMT -5
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Post by eh? on Sept 29, 2011 21:03:23 GMT -5
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Post by Scott Ross on Sept 29, 2011 22:21:36 GMT -5
Must be the Minnesota name that is being used huh?
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Post by MsMarie on Sept 30, 2011 2:31:52 GMT -5
[/quote]Are being purchased by workers or are said to being purchased by workers?[/quote]
At present this is a strong UK rumour, as I said previously. Also said, friends have been upsetting the present owners by wandering round the place prematurely and the villagers are getting spooked. Fact: the main convention ground in the south of England has been closed down: Fact: the property in question has been taken off the market with the explanation it has either been sold STC or withdrawn. Watch the space...... Planning permission here is mighty difficult.
As regards those building projects and properties in the US, then this is something all online can read for themselves.
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Post by rational on Sept 30, 2011 12:20:45 GMT -5
Must be the Minnesota name that is being used huh? Those buildings appear to be located at: 83862 County Road 16 Hector MN, 55342-3053 on the Wolff Farm. The other property has the address of 82862 CO RD 16 There is the possibility that the property was split into different parcels.
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Post by 2 on Oct 2, 2011 0:40:36 GMT -5
Must be the Minnesota name that is being used huh? perhaps , but who has the rights to name us? ;D
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Post by eh? on Oct 3, 2011 20:54:58 GMT -5
Must be the Minnesota name that is being used huh? Those buildings appear to be located at: 83862 County Road 16 Hector MN, 55342-3053 on the Wolff Farm. The other property has the address of 82862 CO RD 16 There is the possibility that the property was split into different parcels. But the 2nd listings shows 'zero' acres' and also uses the same description of the location of the land (the 2nd description is incomplete, but not different than the 1st) Deeded Acres: 122.76Deeded Acres: 0.00
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Post by CherieKropp on Nov 4, 2011 12:58:25 GMT -5
msmarie: What does "sold STC" mean? Are being purchased by workers or are said to being purchased by workers?[/quote] At present this is a strong UK rumour, as I said previously. Also said, friends have been upsetting the present owners by wandering round the place prematurely and the villagers are getting spooked. Fact: the main convention ground in the south of England has been closed down: Fact: the property in question has been taken off the market with the explanation it has either been sold STC or withdrawn. Watch the space...... Planning permission here is mighty difficult. As regards those building projects and properties in the US, then this is something all online can read for themselves.[/quote]
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2011 17:51:03 GMT -5
CherieK, Sold STC means "sold subject to contract." the property is sold but the all the legal i's and t's have not been dotted and crossed so the deal isn't final. Here we'd say it is in escrow probably. Appears to be a UK term.
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Post by Grief on Nov 13, 2011 18:40:49 GMT -5
Are being purchased by workers or are said to being purchased by workers?[/quote] At present this is a strong UK rumour, as I said previously. Also said, friends have been upsetting the present owners by wandering round the place prematurely and the villagers are getting spooked. Fact: the main convention ground in the south of England has been closed down: Fact: the property in question has been taken off the market with the explanation it has either been sold STC or withdrawn. Watch the space...... Planning permission here is mighty difficult. As regards those building projects and properties in the US, then this is something all online can read for themselves.[/quote]
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Post by eh? on Nov 13, 2011 18:44:53 GMT -5
I can't tell if you commented on the above quote or not.
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Post by CherieKropp on Nov 13, 2011 20:00:08 GMT -5
CherieK, Sold STC means "sold subject to contract." the property is sold but the all the legal i's and t's have not been dotted and crossed so the deal isn't final. Here we'd say it is in escrow probably. Appears to be a UK term. Hmmm. Interesting. Never heard the term. In Oklahoma and Texas, the realtors put a sign on top of their "For Sale" sign that says "Sale Pending" - which means an Earnest Money contract has been entered into and pending certain issues working out to everyone's agreement (financing, inspections, appraisal, etc) the closing will be held at a final closing date set in the contract. If the Buyer backs out for any reason other than stated in the contract, he forfeits his Earnest Money.
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Post by yahweh on Nov 15, 2011 17:46:59 GMT -5
Must be the Minnesota name that is being used huh? What are the 2x2's actually having a offical name
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Post by ronhall on Nov 21, 2011 12:36:43 GMT -5
CherieK, Sold STC means "sold subject to contract." the property is sold but the all the legal i's and t's have not been dotted and crossed so the deal isn't final. Here we'd say it is in escrow probably. Appears to be a UK term. Hmmm. Interesting. Never heard the term. In Oklahoma and Texas, the realtors put a sign on top of their "For Sale" sign that says "Sale Pending" - which means an Earnest Money contract has been entered into and pending certain issues working out to everyone's agreement (financing, inspections, appraisal, etc) the closing will be held at a final closing date set in the contract. If the Buyer backs out for any reason other than stated in the contract, he forfeits his Earnest Money. Those people from Texas and Oklahoma talk funny. Where I'm from "sale pending" is correctly pronounced "escrow". Heh! Heh! Heh! Sorry, jest kidding! :>)
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Post by Grief on Dec 11, 2011 18:02:26 GMT -5
What is happening in the UK? Three conventions closed recently in UK and a new venue bought at a million + pounds and costing huge sum of money to adapt the place for a new convention grounds. Big secret who's money bought the property. We suspect the new convention is owned by the church? The friends in the UK would like to know how their money given to the church is spent? Is this correct for the church to own property?
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Post by MsMarie on Dec 26, 2011 5:08:19 GMT -5
As an update. Yes the property has been purchased. I hear some UK friends have sold their house and moved into the main house as caretakers (all second hand info by the way). There is an equestrian arena which will likely be converted to the convention area and quite a few holiday cottages. It is a very large rural property with many outbuildings in a secluded area. It is open to speculation that these could house either people staying for the convention or even retired workers - the take up rate in retirement is not the same now that the more willing older generation is just that (older) and the younger ones not as keen to take in an old retired worker as they did. As for how it was funded - there is only one source of money I know of! Sorry about STC - it is a UK term (Subject to Contract) and means that the buyer or seller can still pull out of the deal at that point, although the buyer may lose the deposit.
I have not yet heard of anyone trying to put an interpretation on these events.
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Post by Grief on Jan 23, 2012 15:32:01 GMT -5
There appears a strong suspicion the new UK convention has been bought by the Church Fund? How do the friends feel about the 2x2 owning a Church property? Why are funds allowed to accumulate to such a large figure?
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Post by MsMarie on Feb 10, 2012 12:05:48 GMT -5
Yes, it is now a fact that the property has been purchased. I believe there is much controversy about it over here but of course, people are afraid to voice opposition very strongly in case they are expelled for it. I just don't know how they will explain this, except to say (I hazard a guess) that a consortium of rich friends bought it as a gift and it didn't come out of church collection. The first convention has yet to be held there. I have also heard that local villagers are not happy about the use of this property, so they may encounter difficulties yet to come.
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Post by ts on Feb 10, 2012 21:37:20 GMT -5
Yes, it is now a fact that the property has been purchased. I believe there is much controversy about it over here but of course, people are afraid to voice opposition very strongly in case they are expelled for it. I just don't know how they will explain this, except to say (I hazard a guess) that a consortium of rich friends bought it as a gift and it didn't come out of church collection. The first convention has yet to be held there. I have also heard that local villagers are not happy about the use of this property, so they may encounter difficulties yet to come. What is the name of the village where the convention is? Is there and address? Google maps would be a good way of looking it up to see what the friends have purchased.
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Post by greatfull2010 on Feb 11, 2012 3:17:59 GMT -5
The convention ground issue will come up Im sure on a regular basis.
IMO the conv ground matter is just one of many hyopcritical situations that occur in the Truth.
For years even when conv grounds have been "owned" by individual families, they have been controlled by the truth for the truths sake.
I have wondered for many years why so much money and effort is spent on catering just to the faithfull when; 1 - God doesnt dwell in buildings made with hands 2 - if the same energy and resources were spent in educating and preparing preachers for effective evangelism would that not be wiser? 3 - All other chuirches who meet in buildings made with hands are false - if the 2x2's only meet in their purpose made buildings for 8 days a year then they are fine?
I know there are some workers who dont agree with the millions spent and tied up in annual worship camps but.... for the Truths sake and their ranks sake remain quiet.
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Post by apple on Feb 11, 2012 14:46:26 GMT -5
As an update. Yes the property has been purchased. I hear some UK friends have sold their house and moved into the main house as caretakers (all second hand info by the way). There is an equestrian arena which will likely be converted to the convention area and quite a few holiday cottages. It is a very large rural property with many outbuildings in a secluded area. It is open to speculation that these could house either people staying for the convention or even retired workers - the take up rate in retirement is not the same now that the more willing older generation is just that (older) and the younger ones not as keen to take in an old retired worker as they did. As for how it was funded - there is only one source of money I know of! Sorry about STC - it is a UK term (Subject to Contract) and means that the buyer or seller can still pull out of the deal at that point, although the buyer may lose the deposit. I have not yet heard of anyone trying to put an interpretation on these events. If those cottages were to house elderly workers that would be a HUGE change in doctrine (home less, poor and all that). Some issues if this were to happen: Some of the older workers would need care, who would provide it? Would the folks living in the main house be obliged to be carers for the weaker workers? What about young sister workers, would they be expected to be carers? Or would the workers get free NHS carer visits? And what of the privacy of the folks in the main house? I'm certain the older workers in the cottages would wander into the house whenever they feel like it.
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Post by MsMarie on Mar 13, 2012 9:14:46 GMT -5
Still being converted at present, so no conventions advertised there as yet. As for the holiday cottages, there are plans to let them at present as just that I believe. Either way, it is going to take a lot of money to get up and running. If the cottages are taken by the retired workers at any time, all the issues mentioned will crop up. I would be more concerned at the tenure of the caretaking family who might displease the workers in some way and find themselves in a difficult position to say the least!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2012 17:46:57 GMT -5
Convention is at Yorkley Wood Road, gloucestershire. You can check out the cottages at: www.hoseasons.co.uk/cottages/saddlers-cottage-e4789maybe even book a holiday there! A few elite F & W know the details - how much was paid, where the funds came from, who owns the property etc but the ordinary plebs haven't been told.
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Post by msew on Mar 14, 2012 18:39:14 GMT -5
I guess that's how it will always be. The ordinary members are not worthy to be informed. Are there any conventions planned for this year in Southern England? Nice cottages! Might book one when I next visit the UK
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