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Sept 26, 2011 20:46:26 GMT -5
Post by alexander on Sept 26, 2011 20:46:26 GMT -5
My mom (as well as myself) is closely related to most of the folks in that area of Tennessee. She also has a close relationship (but not related) with the overseer of Tennessee as well as with many other workers. George's relationship changed with us BIG TIME between his email invitation to us to come to Tennessee and when I saw him at Special Meeting time that year, which was less then a month's worth of time- without us ever even ONCE having talked with him or emailing him during that time. I guess that leaves me wondering even more why you don't talk to George. I should. He is a good man.
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Sept 26, 2011 21:09:46 GMT -5
Post by sharonw on Sept 26, 2011 21:09:46 GMT -5
What I find really interesting is that a lot of professing folks actually do live 'outside that box' in some aspect of their lives even though they are toeing the party line during meetings and convention. However, when push comes to shove then the fact that they are living 'outside the box' during the week is used against them, by people that are also doing the same thing...... Scott What is that word that describes such behaviour?
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Sept 26, 2011 21:18:24 GMT -5
Post by sharonw on Sept 26, 2011 21:18:24 GMT -5
Alexander, have you asked what are the conditions for fellowship? Someone has an obligation to be honest with you about the steps you need to take. We had a person excommunicated here not long ago. I asked him if he was told what steps he needed to take to be restored, he didn't know.....hadn't thought to ask as he was pretty shell-shocked. So I went to the local workers and asked if they wouldn't mind letting him know exactly the steps he had to take for restoration, or let me know and I would pass it on. The worker said "no, we won't tell him that". I asked "why not? it's the only fair thing to do for him." The worker said, "well, when he is ready to come back, I'll just know." At that point, I realized that he was almost certainly kicked out permanently, but at the very least, there was no obligation to say so or explain what he had to do to get back in. I'm not certain Alexander could stand the No way to My way answer from the worker....at this time anyway...that's a total spiritual killing with a crematory ending, IMO
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Sept 26, 2011 21:47:36 GMT -5
Post by JO on Sept 26, 2011 21:47:36 GMT -5
Alexander, have you asked what are the conditions for fellowship? Someone has an obligation to be honest with you about the steps you need to take. We had a person excommunicated here not long ago. I asked him if he was told what steps he needed to take to be restored, he didn't know.....hadn't thought to ask as he was pretty shell-shocked. So I went to the local workers and asked if they wouldn't mind letting him know exactly the steps he had to take for restoration, or let me know and I would pass it on. The worker said "no, we won't tell him that". I asked "why not? it's the only fair thing to do for him." The worker said, "well, when he is ready to come back, I'll just know." At that point, I realized that he was almost certainly kicked out permanently, but at the very least, there was no obligation to say so or explain what he had to do to get back in. This reminds me of some words of Jesus: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Luke 11:52 “Woe to you experts in the law, because you have taken away the key to knowledge. You yourselves have not entered, and you have hindered those who were entering.”
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Sept 26, 2011 22:25:10 GMT -5
Post by What Hat on Sept 26, 2011 22:25:10 GMT -5
I guess that leaves me wondering even more why you don't talk to George. I should. He is a good man. Right on. If he's not too far away, see if he'll take the time for a coffee with you. It's certainly worked for me the odd time when I've had a situation.
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