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Post by emmarr75 on Feb 12, 2011 6:02:05 GMT -5
About 10 years ago I listened to a recording of Doug Parker discussing the friends and workers at a gathering of former members somewhere in Australia (I think it was in 1998 or 1999).
I have since misplaced my copy of the recording and was wanting to have another listen to what he had to say. Does anyone know if it is still available?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2011 8:46:25 GMT -5
I am not sure Parker had much to say about Jesus. If you wish to read about Jesus firsthand, why don't you read the New Testament?
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Post by CherieKropp on Feb 12, 2011 9:50:07 GMT -5
Doug. Parker is/was a Christian Chaplain. I'm sure he has much to say about Jesus. On a visit to America, Doug gave two talks. I have a tape of a talk he gave to exes in Washington. My husband and mother attended the talk he gave in California The transcript of Doug's talk in Washington is on VOT here: www.veteransoftruth.co/content/hear-and-read-doug-parkers-testimony-plus-listen-sermon-his-own-wordsHere's how he started his talk
So, we might just ask God to help us, and we could just bow our heads and ask Him to assist us. Our Lord, we do thank you that you are never far away from us and that we meet and move in your near presence. And we thank you for that presence. And be with me, I pray, as I speak - may the words of my lips, and the thoughts of all of our minds be acceptable to you. And we ask this in Jesus’ Name. Amen. Well, thank you so much for inviting me to be here this evening. As some of you know, I’m on leave. For the last ten years, I’ve been a Chaplain in a hospital or in a number of hospitals. It’s in the (Unawara?) district, which is south of Sydney, and I’m a Chaplain to four hospitals. And I’m coming up sixty five this year, which is our retiring age and I have some leave. And before reaching 65, I thought, well, we’ll use that leave. And we’ve had some friends in Alaska for years. Actually, they’re the daughters of the Hawkins - Olga Hawkins that wrote to us over those years, and Edgar Hawkins. And we have met them many, many years ago when Helen and I were coming home from Britain after doing that research - we stayed with them in Detroit. And so, we’re going to Alaska, and we’ll be having a holiday there. And I didn’t really give you much notice - I wrote only weeks ago, and mentioned this to Fred and Ruth and they very kindly were able to contact some of you - I said I’d be quite happy to speak to some if they wanted to meet. And here I am. And so, I come from a background now of many years being a Chaplain. I suppose most of your hospitals would have Chaplains. And a Chaplain is involved in just ministry to all the sick in the hospital, as well as the staff. And so that has been my work for many years. And as a Chaplain, you just go patient to patient. You aren’t concerned so much for the religion. You’re concerned with just visiting people and listening to them and entering into their particular need at that time. That just gives you an idea of what I’ve been doing while I’ve been a minister in different churches, and in my last parish I used to do a fair amount of Chaplaincy in a big prison as well, where I would just visit prisoners in their cells and minister to them.
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Post by sharonw on Feb 12, 2011 15:53:26 GMT -5
A very interesting speaker...I believe he would be able to hold one's attention for a long time...
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Post by emmarr75 on Feb 12, 2011 18:54:14 GMT -5
Bert,
Which version of the NT would you prefer I read?
I personally enjoy the NIV version. I find the writing very inspired. The words leap off the page at me. At the moment I'm enjoying John's version of the Gospel story. Especially his understanding of the Holy Spirit.
Regards
emmarr75
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2011 19:59:51 GMT -5
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Post by emmarr75 on Feb 12, 2011 20:09:05 GMT -5
Bert - the impression I got of Doug from the recording was he was very sincere. I can appreciate his desire to pray before he spoke and he came across very much as a quietly spoken, humble, servant of God. I listened to the recording before I read the Secret Sect - it had probably influenced the impression I have of Doug more so than the book.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2011 20:20:51 GMT -5
Yes I am sure. People can be sincere with any belief. Re versions. Most conservative ones are fine - just don't read Lol Cat style bibles!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2011 20:23:20 GMT -5
emmarr75, your comment is spot on. Some years ago I spoke to him and as you say he came across as a very sincere Christian man. I now live in the area where he had his first appointment as an Anglican minister. I have met people who speak highly of him. Let us remember that it was because of his hard work the real truth was revealed.
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Post by CherieKropp on Feb 12, 2011 20:42:44 GMT -5
Did Doug Parker ever read John Long's journal? Doug Parker has been provided with a copy of John Long's Journal now, but the Journal wasnt discovered until after his book went to print. Dr. Jaenen didn't have John Long's Journal either when he wrote his book. A copy was provided to him afterwards however. He also did not make use of numerous other sources of historical material that was available when he wrote his book, such as the Impartial Reporter.
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Post by Gene on Feb 12, 2011 21:13:14 GMT -5
~~ Yes, these two men and all the authors of the exes books should read John Long's Journal and STUDY the year from 1897-1901. It will reveal many interesting information of the beginning that they didn't know or have before. I know some of the these authors have passed away. I took me only 6 hours to see and understand the beginning of the movement in 1898.
Nathan, I agree with your point of view regarding the beginning. I agree with you that it's not accurate to say "truth started in 1898" or "the 2x2 ministry and church in the home started in 1898" but it IS accurate to say that this movement that we call the f&w began in 1898. I'm glad to see you acknowledging that. Peace, G
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Post by trevybear on Feb 13, 2011 20:13:42 GMT -5
I agree with Bert in guiding you to Jesus and the word. The New King James Version is very good and is easier to understand than the KJV although I use the KJV. If you find the NKJV difficult then I recommend the NIV.
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Post by quizzer on Feb 14, 2011 16:49:42 GMT -5
For fun, I would like to recommend the Pidgin translation of the Four Gospels. If read aloud, it is truly a wonderful linguistic study...
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Post by Sylvestra on Feb 14, 2011 17:05:18 GMT -5
One of the things I came to understand when I was working for Wycliffe Bible Translators, is how important it is for people to ready the Bible in their "heart language". Old English simply isn't the "heart language" of many English speaking people.
I'm very thankful for people who desired to make the translations!!
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Post by sharonw on Feb 14, 2011 19:53:38 GMT -5
I agree with Bert in guiding you to Jesus and the word. The New King James Version is very good and is easier to understand than the KJV although I use the KJV. If you find the NKJV difficult then I recommend the NIV. When Lyle Schober was overseer of Iowa, he had advised the friends there to buy the bible for the deaf....it is a very simple interpretation...he was said to have mentioned that since the deaf people's vocabulary had a smaller alphabet, that the bible for the deaf was very simple to understand. He advised it for children when they first profess and even for older folks who run into scripture hard to understand and they could use that bible for a reference or clarifying bible...it does help a lot!
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Post by emmarr75 on Feb 15, 2011 4:07:54 GMT -5
I find it interesting that at the mere mention of Doug Parker some of you are suggesting I read the New Testement. My interest in Doug is with his historical research.
As far as reading the New Testement I read sections of it every day and love it! I usually read a whole book at a time to try and keep as much of the context as possible, but frequently I find myself cross-referencing between books.
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Post by reply on Feb 15, 2011 13:25:18 GMT -5
I find it interesting that at the mere mention of Doug Parker some of you are suggesting I read the New Testement. My interest in Doug is with his historical research. As far as reading the New Testement I read sections of it every day and love it! I usually read a whole book at a time to try and keep as much of the context as possible, but frequently I find myself cross-referencing between books. For some, if you do not agree with them or they do not agree with you...you have not prayed before or prayed enough.....you have not read before or enough....you are unwilling or have not "traveled" far enough in your spiritual journey.
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Post by Happy Feet on Feb 16, 2011 4:20:27 GMT -5
Did Doug Parker ever read John Long's journal? I read the Secret Sect book in 1990. I believe John Long gave us a clearer picture of the early days 1898. He was there from the beginning with William Irvine. Doug Parker interviewed and spoke with several who were there from the beginning with William Irvine, for his book.
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