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Post by Gene on Dec 26, 2010 14:21:14 GMT -5
Not where I am.Don't know any married professing man with a wedding ring. I'm backing Apple on this one. At least until I left, wedding rings on men in Ireland would get the old air-sucked-through-teeth reaction. I'm not surprised it hasn't changed much in the last umpty-teen years. So what this proves is that God's will varies by geography. Where I grew up in the 1960s and 1970s in the middle west United States, wedding bands worn by professing men was commonplace.
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Post by apple on Dec 26, 2010 15:06:35 GMT -5
So what this proves is that God's will varies by geography. Where I grew up in the 1960s and 1970s in the middle west United States, wedding bands worn by professing men was commonplace. Gene, I discussed this with someone on this board privately.We came to the conclusion that the reason is down to cultural differences. Where I am, a man wearing a ring is often seen as "rough".I have noticed the odd man in a suit wearing a ring but largely men who wear rings in my area are not the kind you would care to have as a neighbour. In America the cultural understanding seems to be different.
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Post by apple on Dec 26, 2010 15:15:51 GMT -5
P.S.
I am aware the American Methodists have strayed from the original Methodist beliefs.(An American Anglican preacher friend alerted me recently to this.)eyedeetentee may not be aware that the Methodists in Europe have largely kept to the original standards set down by Wesley, whereas American Methodists have not.I'm familiar with small unadorned Methodist churches full of plainly dressed Methodists and the Methodist Girl's Brigade teaching little girls who to knit and sew, obviously eyedeetentee is not familiar with this traditional, conservative side to Methodism.
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Post by eyedeetentee on Dec 27, 2010 1:17:23 GMT -5
Conclusions? You said 'all.' I said you're wrong. If you say some or those in your area, what do I know? The key word is 'some', not 'all.' Your experience is limited to a small area. My experience is limited to this area. 'All' doesn't even work in this area. They are not all the same.
Obviously apple is not familiar with the English language. (You don't like being wrong, do ya?)
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Post by eyedeetentee on Dec 27, 2010 1:34:09 GMT -5
In this situation, I cannot honestly say, "I acknowledge your position and promise to weigh it carefully."
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Post by eyedeetentee on Dec 27, 2010 23:02:22 GMT -5
By the way, didn't you state in another thread that your area is 99% Catholic? This math doesn't work.
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Post by eyedeetentee on Dec 28, 2010 1:10:07 GMT -5
Found it: "Anyway, I see little of the bible that the RCC actually obeys." Do you ever read St. Anne's posts word for word and absorb each word? Or do you skim? Or do you skip them all together? I grew up in a Catholic country with 99% population Catholic and with the country ran by the RCC, including state schools.At state school I sat in all of their RE classes, sat in class during the regular visits from the local priest, the bishop & others, and occasionally attended mass with my school .I know the Catholic church. Since you disagree with my statement that the RCC obeys little of scripture I will show you why I said this.But before I do, I also believe that the Protestants got scripture slightly better not not much.This is not a case of my picking on Catholics.This is a rebuttal of the RCC's claim to be the only, true, apostolic church from the NT. When we look at RCC teachings and then when we look at that the bible and the early church in the NT we see is a huge difference between the two: 1.The church in Acts lived communally (Acts 2:44-45).Do we see the RCC church that claims to be the church of Acts living like this? 2.The church in Acts chose an apostle (preacher) by lot (Acts 1:15-23).Do we see the RCC church choosing their priests in this manner? 3.Elders in the NT could marry and have family.According to 1 Timothy 4:2-4 it is wrong to forbid marry and Paul said in 1 Cor 7 is good to be single but better to marry than "burn".Do we see Catholic priests marrying and having families? 4.The church of Acts worshipped in a house.Jesus had the very first communion in a house (Matt 26:18, Mark 14:14) the Christians in Acts had communion in their homes (Acts 2:46).Do we see RC's worshiping in houses and other suitable plain environments? 5.Jesus was baptised as an adult (Matt 3:14-16, Mark 1:9) .Do we see the RCC copying this standard? So the one percent was all the other stuff with which you have experience? Most interesting. Must be a huge country. Asia?
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Post by julio on Feb 6, 2011 21:22:05 GMT -5
Years ago I dated someone from a church that sounds like this. This group was active in the Pacific NW of USA and BC. No TV, women wore dresses, buns, etc. They had an 'inner circle', where they collected tithes and only those in the inner circle could participate, and women were silent. They believed in meeting in homes, but they built a building, considering it a 'home' becuase it was paid for and built by their members. Someone told me they thought this group 'broke off' from the 2x2's back in England over a difference in doctrine - mainly women preachers.
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Post by shushy on Feb 6, 2011 22:04:49 GMT -5
Hahaha........a man wearing a wedding ring is rough? How do you value tattoos?
My husband wore a wedding ring. That came in our generation also engagement rings. Blame the baby boomers.
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Post by breakingfree on Feb 7, 2011 3:15:47 GMT -5
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Post by apple on Feb 7, 2011 14:33:18 GMT -5
Years ago I dated someone from a church that sounds like this. This group was active in the Pacific NW of USA and BC. No TV, women wore dresses, buns, etc. They had an 'inner circle', where they collected tithes and only those in the inner circle could participate, and women were silent. They believed in meeting in homes, but they built a building, considering it a 'home' becuase it was paid for and built by their members. Someone told me they thought this group 'broke off' from the 2x2's back in England over a difference in doctrine - mainly women preachers. Sounds like the Exclusive Brethren alright- except the E.B. women normally wear their hair down.Maybe this group was "liberal" version of an E.B. group or a strict Open Brethren group. Was it a 2x2 that believed they were break away 2x2s? (could be the case or could be E.B.s).
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Post by emerald on Feb 7, 2011 17:24:35 GMT -5
Years ago I dated someone from a church that sounds like this. This group was active in the Pacific NW of USA and BC. No TV, women wore dresses, buns, etc. They had an 'inner circle', where they collected tithes and only those in the inner circle could participate, and women were silent. They believed in meeting in homes, but they built a building, considering it a 'home' becuase it was paid for and built by their members. Someone told me they thought this group 'broke off' from the 2x2's back in England over a difference in doctrine - mainly women preachers. Sounds like the Exclusive Brethren alright- except the E.B. women normally wear their hair down.Maybe this group was "liberal" version of an E.B. group or a strict Open Brethren group. Was it a 2x2 that believed they were break away 2x2s? (could be the case or could be E.B.s). Only the younger women tend to wear their hair down IME. There have been many times I've had to take a second look at a woman with a hair bun trying to figure out if they were professing or Brethren! It does sound like the Brethren.
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Post by emerald on Feb 7, 2011 17:41:15 GMT -5
Professing men with wedding rings!! I have never ever met a professing man with a wedding ring. Dermot Veighey, former worker, wears one. He caused quite a stir at the time he got married on account of wearing it. There are a few nowadays but not that common.
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Post by apple on Feb 7, 2011 17:59:34 GMT -5
Professing men with wedding rings!! I have never ever met a professing man with a wedding ring. Dermot Veighey, former worker, wears one. He caused quite a stir at the time he got married on account of wearing it. There are a few nowadays but not that common. It seems to be a cultural thing.
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Post by eh? on May 12, 2011 10:36:56 GMT -5
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Post by emerald on May 12, 2011 11:05:46 GMT -5
I believe in Northern Ireland, one man joined the meetings from the Brethren church. I'm told too, that two women from professing backgrounds (and professed themselves at a time) married Brethren men and joined their church. I don't know enough about the Brethren church to guess if it is a big step to move from one exclusive church to another.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2011 12:05:37 GMT -5
It seems to be a cultural thing. It should be mentioned that in Ireland the vast majority of men don't wear a wedding ring, professing or not. I know of a number of professing men in Ireland who wear one, but not many. I've always been of the opinion that it's cultural - because of the largely farming background of our people a few generations back, it was impractical to wear a ring. However, I don't have any references or back up for this, it's simply my uninformed opinion. In Scotland married men usually do not/did not wear wedding rings. It was okay for married women to do so in order to show they were married! However the wedding rings were usually inexpensive and very plain. The wearing of jewelry was frowned upon and rings fell into this category. Engagement rings were a bid no-no. Engaged women were often given a watch instead of a ring by their spouse to be.
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Post by matisse on Jun 18, 2011 9:06:09 GMT -5
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Post by ScholarGal on Jun 18, 2011 10:12:27 GMT -5
Thanks for posting this. Just a few weeks ago I was wondering why Garrison Keillor, who openly displays his liberal tendencies, would have so many religious songs and humorous fictional Lake Wobegon stories that showcase church and religious attitudes. If you don't know Garrison Keillor's work, here are some samples: A recent performance of an adaptation of Amazing Grace in honor of Keillor's mother: Garrison Keillor and Andra Suchy (daughter of folk singer Chuck Suchy) prairiehome.publicradio.org/programs/2011/05/07/videos/#video-2The News from Lake Wobegon for the same show, which is a typical combination of family, religious, marriage/relationship, and political humor: prairiehome.publicradio.org/www_publicradio/tools/media_player/popup.php?name=phc/2011/05/07/phc_20110507_64&starttime=01:32:00&endtime=01:43:41From the interview: DB: One gains the impression from your writings that you must have heard and absorbed a lot of Bible teaching in your childhood and youth. How did this come about?
GK: We didn’t read the Bible much in our home—my parents had their hands full trying to raise six children and earn a living and keep things afloat—but we went to meeting every Sunday for the full Brethren programme, Sunday School, the Lord’s Supper, the afternoon Bible study if a labourer was in town, Young People’s, and an evening gospel meeting. And for a few years in my teens, I was an avid reader of Scripture on my own. So a great deal of teaching got drummed into my head. Even today, in my doddering state, verses keep coming back to me, the Bible speaks in all sorts of situations.
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Post by alexander on Jun 18, 2011 11:16:16 GMT -5
It should be mentioned that in Ireland the vast majority of men don't wear a wedding ring, professing or not. I know of a number of professing men in Ireland who wear one, but not many. I've always been of the opinion that it's cultural - because of the largely farming background of our people a few generations back, it was impractical to wear a ring. However, I don't have any references or back up for this, it's simply my uninformed opinion. In Scotland married men usually do not/did not wear wedding rings. It was okay for married women to do so in order to show they were married! However the wedding rings were usually inexpensive and very plain. The wearing of jewelry was frowned upon and rings fell into this category. Engagement rings were a bid no-no. Engaged women were often given a watch instead of a ring by their spouse to be. And yet, the bible mentions how God told his people that He would adorn them with necklaces, and rings, etc. In the book of Ezekiel. Having said that, my wife doesn't wear jewelry of any kind- primarily because she doesn't like it and because is costs too much money (for us), but we do not think poorly of those that do. I do not feel that the anti-jewelry stance can be supported biblically and certainly using it as an outward token of righteousness should not be condoned, in my opinion.
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Post by matisse on Jun 18, 2011 12:22:49 GMT -5
Thanks for elaborating! I wasn't familiar with Keillor's adaptation of Amazing Grace in honor of his mother. It is a wonderful example of his blend of reverence and humor that can leave a person both misty-eyed and laughing. I scribbled down the words of a few of the verses...I hope correctly: Amazing Grace how sweet your love, unchanging through the years. Your heart is fixed on realms above, and on your children here.
Through life you've held to God's right hand, through cold and storms and frost; How many quarts of corn you've canned, so much tomato sauce.
You never stopped to count the cost, or wonder at the worth The floors you scrubbed, the clothes you washed, the seeds pushed in the earth.
Your mind is slow, your eyesight dim, you watch your friends depart. You cannot see the ancient hymn, but the words are in your heart…
(more verses)
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