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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2014 2:06:22 GMT -5
We haven't heard from our workers in our field for 6 months now and we don't feel like contacting them due to the fact that we are in a difficult situation at the moment and would feel awkward answering questions. Just weird that they aren't contacting us.
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Post by fred on Apr 11, 2014 7:21:06 GMT -5
We haven't heard from our workers in our field for 6 months now and we don't feel like contacting them due to the fact that we are in a difficult situation at the moment and would feel awkward answering questions. Just weird that they aren't contacting us. Huh? We don't hear from workers year in year out ............. if you chase them down a beg for a visit you might get a call explaining why they're not able. Suits me just fine.
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Post by gecko45 on Apr 11, 2014 22:46:19 GMT -5
Why is conventions and special meeting preparations more important for some workers then helping a bother or sister in need ? I really think that there is an unhealthy focus on conventions and Special Meetings but was also gently reproved the one time I mentioned such.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2014 14:07:41 GMT -5
how is it "unhealthy"?
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Post by gecko45 on Apr 12, 2014 14:52:14 GMT -5
When workers spend more time on convention & special meeting arrangements and preparations than they do ministering to the needs of the flock or reaching out to contacts then I think the focus has become shifted away from where it ought to be.
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Post by faune on Apr 12, 2014 15:13:45 GMT -5
Nathan ~ I appreciated the explanation you gave above for those verses from Hebrew 1:8-12. I believe a lot of people are confused by these verses, especially if they don't comprehend the meaning of the Trinity as found within scriptures. www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Heb.1.8-Heb.1.12
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Post by gecko45 on Apr 12, 2014 16:03:00 GMT -5
When workers spend more time on convention & special meeting arrangements and preparations than they do ministering to the needs of the flock or reaching out to contacts then I think the focus has become shifted away from where it ought to be. The friends must bring their problems to God first in prayers, then they should take it to their church elders or deacons next. This way it's free the workers from bogging down with the churches problems and concentrate on preaching the word of God like Peter had suggested in Acts 6:3-4 " Therefore, brethren, seek out from among you seven men of good reputation, full of the Holy Spirit and wisdom, whom we may appoint over this business; but we will give ourselves continually to prayer and to the ministry of the word.”I agree with you there but there seems to be a reluctance to delegate any decision making to the deacons and elders. Other areas of the country might be different but in my (admittedly limited) experience elders and deacons were not encouraged to do much more than "take" the meeting. Any questions or concerns they had in their church, they took to the workers who made a decision and then went back down the chain of command to be enforced by the elders and deacons, not always a pleasant position to be in.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2014 16:54:19 GMT -5
Nathan.B ,thanks for your info. I did not say workers have a bed of roses and yes I have said they offer a lot up but they have a LOT of blessings that come with offering up the natural side of life. I do think if one is truly called by God to preach the Gospel one would not think so much of how much one is offering up because one is impelled by love,right ?
And yes workers can't deal with every issue in the fellowship but they aren't exempt from showing love as John explained in 1John 3:17-18. A couple had a brief visit from the workers after the husband lost his job and the wife was expecting there 3 child ,the couple was very disappointed in the workers visit because they didn't feel any genuine care for there situation,the workers (the one was actually the overseer)was in a haste to get going to visit others friends,it was around special meeting time. Paul is a good example of caring about the need of others, we read where he collected money for the poor Christians. And as far as the elders are concerned ,I have been in many different fields and even in a different country but I have not been aware that the elders to much more then open a door so that there can be a meeting and then lead the meeting.Don't really know what is the responsibilities of elders ,maybe someone can enlighten me ?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2014 17:01:58 GMT -5
Unhealthy is when you place more importance on preparations for conventions and special meetings then the spiritual/physical need in your own field.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2014 18:52:36 GMT -5
i don't think that the truth has really been setup as a charitable organization, maybe it should have been. those monies go to the furtherance of the truth...plus there are MANY charitable organizations out there that can take care of stuff like this one only has to look...or even start one of thier own
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2014 0:20:40 GMT -5
Wally.
Jesus said He is the Way,the Truth and the Life: John14:6. We can only claim that we are part of His Way,Truth and Life if we follow Him. No fellowship can say they ARE the Truth ,there might be some in there fellowship that are part of the Truth because they follow Jesus. Jesus said we must love our neighbor as our self ,if we do this we are going to be charitable.Jesus explained in the parable about the good Samaritan how we should love our neighbor.God told the Jews how to be charitable: Deuteronomy 15:7-11. Paul collected multiple times for the poor Christians.I John 3:17-21 tells us about the charitable love of God we should have.Jesus is going to judge us one day according to the charity we have shown to others ,Matthew 25:31-46.If we don't have charity in our fellowship then we are not following the TRUE WAY threw Jesus.How can we be ambassadors for Gods way without charity ?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2014 0:34:59 GMT -5
Unhealthy is when you place more importance on conventions and special meetings then showing love to your neigbour as explained in 1John 3:17-18. hmmmmm... unhealthy for SAVING souls, encouraging the friends to keep true to God at conventions? What is more important saving souls or showing love to your neigbour? A person can show LOVE to your neighbor and they might NOT ever wanted to get SAVED at all.Nathan I refrained my post: "Unhealthy is when you place more importance on preparations for conventions and special meetings then the spiritual/physical need in your own field." It boils down to the same as what gecko45 said.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2014 0:49:21 GMT -5
Nathan B. Thanks for the references about the responsibilities of the elders.
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Post by faune on Apr 14, 2014 7:01:02 GMT -5
"~~~ In the Gospel and epistle of Hebrews revealed to us Jesus/God Yahweh was the Creator of all things. (John 1:3,10) ALL things were made by Him (Word/Jesus) and without him was not any thing made that was made." "By Him"...that denotes to me that He was that "light" by which God was able to move and create as He desired. Without that "light" God cannot move and create! That's saying Jesus was "that light"....and thus God's Son is that light...JN !...means a lot to me for it explains the separateness of the creation from the beginning! And yes, Fred, I'll try to not talk so fast with my finger and forget to paragraph things! I get to typing as fast or faster then my thoughts! HAH!I just found somebody on this Board who shares my computer malady above! LOL I also leave out consonants and sometimes pronouns with my run-ons and have to go back to include these as well. Therefore, it's best to give me some minutes in between posts to correct my slip-ups in grammar.
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Post by faune on Apr 14, 2014 7:09:30 GMT -5
Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein: I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles; To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house. I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images. Isaiah 42:5-8 ] quote To me that is God, the great Creator of Heaven and Earth! Thank you! And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. 1Timothy 3:16 ] quote Yes, that is Jesus! Thank you! Jesus did not have an active part in the OT, His part was pure prophecy and faith and understanding from those who lived in that time. That's why Jesus explained all that OT scripture and prophecy to those whom He walked with after His resurrection. A prophecy is something that is to come, not something that is. Isn't it? Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory: Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls. Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified before hand the sufferings of Christ and the glory that should follow. 1Peter 1:8-11
Precisely, what I was trying to say...it was "by" faith that OT faithful ones loved, saw him not, believed, and rejoiced with joy unspeakable and full of the glory of the plan of salvation. Jesus was prophesy in the OT, some of faith is something not seen, but something well hoped for and believed in! Thank you very much!
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I liked this exchange of thoughts on the character of Christ found within the O.T. and realized within the N.T.
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Post by iam on Feb 18, 2020 12:36:35 GMT -5
i don't think that the truth has really been setup as a charitable organization, maybe it should have been. those monies go to the furtherance of the truth...plus there are MANY charitable organizations out there that can take care of stuff like this one only has to look...or even start one of thier own When a minister drives up to the poor friends homes in the latest and greatest vehicles provided by the friends, wearing their expensive name brand clothing, eating at some of the nicest restaurants, jetting all over the world to make one proselyte yet unable to help the ones dying in their own homeland, how is this the life and love of Christ? But that's what the friends and workers were doing when Jesus first came to this earth. Will it not be the same when He comes again?
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