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Post by open mind on Jan 28, 2010 21:31:12 GMT -5
Works are necessary. The just shall live by faith but faith without works is dead. It follows then that the just shall live by faith accompanied by works! The biggie that follows that is this. What are works? Most professing/post professing people throughout the world will agree that within the F&W's fellowship, "works" are understood to be receiving the workers, attending every meeting and mission possible, convention, etc. In mainstream Christianity "works" are generally regarded as being in fellowship with and loving likeminded believers (not far removed from the F&W'S), but also largely loving our neighbour in need. Of course our actions/works have to be carried out with the right spirit otherwise they are not done unto God. I do have a serious issue with a fellowship which preaches a works based Gospel, but at best their works are generally confined to the house of the Holy and more specifically towards the ministerial heirarchy. Something I posted on another thread
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Post by moline on Apr 29, 2010 22:42:59 GMT -5
I have just picked up this thread Started talking about Eddie Cooney I personally knew him Eddie opposed the fact that ''Districts'' were set up and overseers were put in place He felt that itinerent preachers should go wherever the Spirit led . Just as they had in the early days . He opposed the ''orgaization'' of the 2x2 way He opposed Bill Carol having his own home , which he had even after Bill Carols wife , Maggie died Eddie continued to preach throughout the world until he died , He is buried here in Mildura Victoria , Australia , next to my Grandfather I remember a humble man who , like many of the 2x2 workers ,as time went on , moved away from Salvation by Grace alone and began to preach a ''Way'' or some might say a ''Method '' of salvation Wheras the 2x2 workers preach a ''way '' as in a ''2x2 ministry'' and ''church in the home'' type doctrine of salvation , Eddie gradually veered toward the ''Cast out'' doctrine or a ''Seperation'' type doctrine all the old workers who were brought up thru mainstream church doctrine started well , that is the problem when accountability is lacking
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Post by moline on Apr 30, 2010 21:35:54 GMT -5
Yes Nathan I know all that However what was wrong with ''GOING WHERE THE SPIRIT MOVES'' as he did? Why should he not do this? Why, if the workers do go out as in matt 10 Jesus said''go not to the Gentiles'' He said''heal the sick'' he said''cleanse the lepers'' ''caste out demons'' so if the workers follow Matt 10, why not ALL matt 10? Eddie was exed because he tried to follow Mat 10 an a more perfect fashion But of course Matt 10 was not meant as an example of how the preaching of the Gospel would be done ,
Just by the way , for what its worth , My maternal grandparents proffessed thru Bill Caroll in 1915 My Paternal Grandparents proffessed thru Adam Hutinson in 1911
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Post by moline on May 1, 2010 3:20:28 GMT -5
very good answer Nathan I totally agree That is why I never followed eddie even tho I knew him well and he was often in our district [spent his last days here and is buried near my grandfather] However the other group that came from Eddie and W I are the 2x2 sect I did not see the evidence of any worker being baptised in the spirit [Acts 1/5] I see no evidence of the gift of Tongues, gift of healing ,gift of prophesy, gift of visions These were evident after the baptism of the Holy spirit at Penticost So I ask myself , can these people be baptised in the spirit and never show evidence of that? I think not
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Post by moline on May 2, 2010 0:30:00 GMT -5
not for me to question anothers faith With that background you will no doubt understand that salvation is thru the finnished work on the cross . By grace thru faith , Not in a method or a way only by the shed blood and jesus taking our sins upon himself
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Post by irvinegrey on May 4, 2010 14:49:19 GMT -5
I personally met Edward Cooney and knew Mrs Sara West quoted earlier. My research indicates that it was Cooney's opposition to the 'Living Witness Doctrine' that caused his fellow workers the biggest problem because removing this doctrine took away their exclusivity. Cooney realised that he had come to know Jesus Christ as his Saviour and Redeemer as a young man in Armagh City before he ever met William Irvine. Others such as John Long who disagreed with this doctrine had been excommunicated years earlier.
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Post by faune on Feb 23, 2011 20:55:40 GMT -5
I think if one or two more would stand and say what they had on their heart in this regard, that somethings would have to be started to be addressed. The workers have their heads in the sand more now then ever, the hemorrhage of members is gaining momentum, the homes are becoming less and less accessible to the workers. What do these workers think to gain by not addressing that which is ailing the fellowship? I'm distraught with such lack of the appearance of caring from the workers that might have the power to change things! What I am seeing Sharon, is that workers are allying themselves with system-focused people more than ever. While there are one or two homes of sycophants open to the workers in a district they don't seem to care about the concerns of those who they consider "not hearty". Often the "not hearty" are the more spiritually minded and Christ-focused folk. The center of gravity has been steadily moving away from the spiritually-minded and towards the system-minded, resulting in a spiritual "dumbing-down" of the fellowship. The shrinking numbers are one indicator that should be a concern, but perhaps even more devastating for the future of the fellowship is this spiritual "dumbing-down". As you have rightly pointed out a number of times Sharon, the fellowship was founded on a rejection of the spiritual lack in mainstream Christianity. We are coming full circle. I wonder if in years to come workers will look back and wonder "what happened"? Or will those who are left be so system-minded that they won't even notice the spiritual lack? Sharon and Jesusonly, you both make very logical points here. If something doesn't give with the worker's stance on immaterial things, their days are numbered. People who are discerning will put us with so much nonsense, and then move on for good. The openminded are usually the first to go, because they have a low tolerance for such tactics to maintain control. Personally, I don't see the workers getting any revelation on realistic changes that would be beneficial to all concerned. Their system-minded approach and lack of caring for some members will be their downfall, I have no doubt about it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2013 20:56:44 GMT -5
We have heard of the Ministry without a home. How about a home without a ministry. It has happened and it's in the Bible! And homes without bibles, and homes without God. Some say that the current American generation is the first "post Christian generation."One can only certainly hope!
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