Bill Carroll's opinion of Ed Cooney Dec 26, 2009 18:24:51 GMT -5
Post by matt10 on Dec 26, 2009 18:24:51 GMT -5
Dec 25, 2009 20:07:12 GMT -5 @september said:I was speaking to someone today that knows much about the early days of the fellowship and also knew EC well. I asked about the Trinity; did the early workers believe in the Trinity and did EC too believe? This person said the terminology was never used but that the early workers and EC certainly did believe that Jesus was God made flesh, not just simply the Son of God. This person also believes that the current fellowship teaching in Ireland is that of the Trinity and has ever been thus.
I must confess that in thirty years in the bosom of 2x2ism I never once gave the concept of the Trinity a moment’s thought. Perhaps I was too busy thinking of girls and football. But I doubt that anyone else I knew ever did either. And why on earth would they? In my experience the entire 2x2 carry-on was purely about workers and meetings and finding a half decent lover at convention. Obedience to the workers and attendance at the meetings is what counted; the more obedient one was and the more meetings one attended then with a lot less stripes would one be beaten. And if you could provide forty of the faithful with an excuse for buying a new hat then even better. The harvest is small and the labourers are many and the more offspring you have the more the labourers can eat at future conventions. Of course the 2x2’s have views on the colour of your hair and the length of your dress and the size of your feet but the idea that the 2x2's (generally) have a view on concepts such as the Trinity (never mind a united view) is rather fanciful which is exactly the reason why I pointed out the sheer futility of embarking upon the thread “Let's Write a 2x2 Doctrine”. (How is that going anyway?)
Of course on the basis of the normal distribution curve there will inevitably be some who will give much thought to such things and will find answers which are very much to their liking. (I guess if one has neither radio nor television nor an interest in the arts or science then one has to think of something.) I do recall hymns about the Father, Son and Holy Ghost being one and loads of stuff about God’s Dear Son and leaving the Father’s home on a high which are possibly contradictory, but I really don’t think most people really cared a fiddler’s fiddle. So long as you were in obedience and in attendance and weren’t found feckin around the public toilets in Bangor then you could basically believe whatever you wanted. I mean if your friend is claiming that every junior worker has a firm view (or even a basic grasp?) on why they believe Jesus is God or the Son of God then perhaps I am also part of the Trinity.
You know I never encountered any discussion among 2x2’s or ex-2x2s about whether Jesus is God or the Son of God until I stumbled upon this Board and became witness to such a futile lot of nonsense. Of course there are those here who have chosen to believe in one of the two scenarios in the same way that there are those who choose to believe in transubstantiation and hobgoblins as is their prerogative. But to spend long periods of one's life trying to prove to others that one's view of the improvable and improbable is slightly more probable than theirs is a classic exercise in the art of futility. For me quite frankly they are both ridiculous scenarios although I must confess that the idea that the God of the universe should be hanging around Nazareth for thirty years in a white tunic before embarking upon something useful (exactly the same length of time as me you will notice) is slightly more preposterous than sending some one else to hang around for you. If the 2x2’s really do all have a belief that Jesus is/was God then they are even crazier than I previously imagined. But I have a sneaking feeling that they haven’t. I certainly hadn’t.