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Post by Lee on Oct 4, 2009 8:58:40 GMT -5
Many participants on the TMB are - consciously or unconsciously - members of the emerging church movement in terms of their thinking. EC movement emphasises the decentralisation of Christianity, a disestablishmentarianism of the faith, where all of the usual elements of Christianity are seen are irrelevant, or no longer necessary. One might say it is the postmodern version of Christianity with a radical emphasis on non-conformity. There needs to be a happy medium between the kind of Christianity you describe above, and the EC movement.[ This may be new thread material, but I was curious to know what your view of I Cor. 15 24-28 was, especially of vs. 28 ?
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Post by sharon on Oct 4, 2009 15:44:03 GMT -5
Ken is peddling something that people clearly want to hear! Personally, I've never felt that Jesus requires nothing from me at all. Actually, this Ken dude didn't say Jesus didn't require anything from us, he said the "amazing grace Jesus offers with no "performance" requirements from you at all"(Not sticking up for this guy at all...) I believe in the freedom we have in Christ. It DOESN'T have any 'performance requirements' attached to grace. It is a free gift that we won't 'earn' as we go. That is NOT saying that we don't 'do' anything. As disciples of Christ we will automatically follow His teachings of course, and try to share the gospel message with others. In my opinion, there are no 'performance requirements' from us as far as receiving grace. Scott Scott, as you pointed the "exact" words of Pastor Ken...but this is a shining example of how crippling "inferences" are made. I feel for certain that this is the very bane of what happened in the fellowship with regards to the "going all the way to the shores of Galilee" situation. Someone perhaps said that their "faith went all the way to the shores of Galilee" and in NO way meant that there was a direct human lineage from Jesus' day to the person that was speaking. I've heard this very thing myself and I think as a child I simply thought it meant that our church was continous all the time periods from the day of Jesus Christ. However, I do remember hearing people, not just workers now, saying that our way of believing was continous from the day of the Acts of the Apostles. So to be fair, those who have said in definite words that our way of church belief continuing from the days of the Acts of the Apostles OR going all the way to the shores of Galilee were just repeating what they'd heard someone else say either in truth or inference. We all can trip ourselves up with the way we phrase things, can we not? Just think of some of the things we've said on TMB, that down the road someone is going to misquote us because of what they thought we meant and we didn't mean that at all. No, I'm not saying it was not said but I'm saying just due to the example of pastor Ken's wording being taken presumptiously the wrong inference perhaps was made?
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