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Post by ithascome on Sept 26, 2009 20:25:25 GMT -5
Is this "spell" from God?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2009 4:11:28 GMT -5
"Ken, I'm sure you need no introduction to the fact there is a "spell" that many people fall under within this sect. I know it only too well. We are oblivious to the obvious and deny the directions of common sense, logic, sound reasoning and understanding, which are exorcised by the spell we come under." "If I am correct in relation to yourself, then you will not see it, no matter how many examples I provide. Many who have turned the corner on the road to Damascus will clearly see what I am saying and understand. " Are you serious, or is that real dry joke? Jesse, You've just proved my point, one that many outside the way understand only too well. If you want to see just how serious I am please book a flight to Syria and take in the capital. It's all about "revelation." If it's not revealed to you, how can you know?
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Post by Jesse_Lackman on Sept 27, 2009 12:51:28 GMT -5
ram, before you crossed the Rubicon on your Damascan journey, when you were at head of that class, did you ever view others outside the fellowship as not having a revelation, being blind, and under a spell?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2009 14:52:07 GMT -5
Jesse, I certainly viewed those outside the fellowship as not having had "the revelation" and blind. I never thought they were under a "spell" though. The revelation that I now have is that the revelation I then had, was the product of absolute submission to the indoctrination I allowed myself to come under, whereby I became "spellbound!"
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Post by Jesse_Lackman on Sept 27, 2009 15:57:03 GMT -5
Jesse, I certainly viewed those outside the fellowship as not having had "the revelation" and blind. Hmmm, you looked at some people that way then, and you look at some people that way now, looks to me like you are still doing what you learned in "that class", don't you see that? Why is that? Why not just live and let live?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2009 16:15:26 GMT -5
You haven't factored in causes and effects Jesse. Remember, there are "many" people like me. I'm not an isolated case.
I do live and let live, but this is a discussion board, a place to share views and experiences. It would be pretty dull if everyone just lived and let live. Perhaps some day, you will be in the same boat ?
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Post by Jesse_Lackman on Sept 27, 2009 16:55:13 GMT -5
I don't think I am or was ever in the boat you were in, that's what it seems you haven't factored in.
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Post by open mind on Sept 27, 2009 19:11:44 GMT -5
this article pretty much sums up how it is in Australia today, maybe some things have been relaxed, like going to movies, watching DVD's but most of the other stuff is pretty spot on...and I know cause I am still in 'the way'
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Post by kencoolidge on Sept 27, 2009 21:08:08 GMT -5
this article pretty much sums up how it is in Australia today, maybe some things have been relaxed, like going to movies, watching DVD's but most of the other stuff is pretty spot on...and I know cause I am still in 'the way' Aussiefriend I have been an ex for over 15 years but the article was pretty near 100% accurate for me. It seems WHAT drew a conclusion then tried to back up his conclusion with the very statements that made the article spot on. The thread subject line would keep those fearing losing out from even reading the comments. Perhaps that was the purpose. Similar Tactics used by Bert on other threads Ken
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Post by open mind on Sept 27, 2009 23:20:31 GMT -5
Do the friends openly wear pants in the US or elsewhere?
Not done in Australia, still very much a rule to wear a skirt
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Post by ChristIsEverything on Sept 27, 2009 23:28:59 GMT -5
Would they be wearing pants in meeting too?
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Post by open mind on Sept 27, 2009 23:31:44 GMT -5
really? wish my wife could see that...have been trying to convince her that it is not an issue..especially when it is talking about cross dressing in the bible when it talks about not wearing clothes of the opposite sex
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Post by ChristIsEverything on Sept 27, 2009 23:35:25 GMT -5
Actually the ancient Hebrew can be interpreted as talking about men's armour in that part of Deuteronomy! Men and women have worn the same type of clothing for most of history actually.
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Post by open mind on Sept 27, 2009 23:38:42 GMT -5
Actually the ancient Hebrew can be interpreted as talking about men's armour in that part of Deuteronomy! Men and women have worn the same type of clothing for most of history actually. Yes I have read this also Especially in biblical times, the tunic was worn by both men and woman...excpet for the Victorian era where woman wore dresses and men pants etc which has carried through to today
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2009 2:32:54 GMT -5
I don't think I am or was ever in the boat you were in, that's what it seems you haven't factored in. Jesse, you amaze me at how you continue to unwittingly prove my point. Many thanks.
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Post by ScholarGal on Sept 28, 2009 9:39:39 GMT -5
Would they be wearing pants in meeting too? I've seen professing females wear pants to meeting--and give their testimonies--twice in the last year. I've also seen elementary school age daughters wearing school uniform pants to Wednesday bible studies. Some daughters are brought to meeting wearing pants or leggings with a tiny ruffle of a skirt over the pants. In my opinion
- showing up
- cleanliness
- modesty
are all more important than whether your garment has one or two exit holes for your legs.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2009 11:15:56 GMT -5
Would they be wearing pants in meeting too? I haven't seen any ladies in meetings take part while wearing pants. Similar experience here. Pants are a non-issue except in meeting.
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Post by ChristIsEverything on Sept 28, 2009 12:34:13 GMT -5
I think that pants are much more modest in many situations. If women are wearing dresses/skirts to meeting only aren't they making the meeting home out to be the home of God, not the body? I mean, I don't want to pass judgment so I won't say it's hypocritical.
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Post by open mind on Sept 28, 2009 17:53:55 GMT -5
we have had a lot of strong wind here recently and I can tell you skirts arent modest....
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Post by water on Sept 28, 2009 18:06:42 GMT -5
we have had a lot of strong wind here recently and I can tell you skirts arent modest.... Ohhhh that's for sure! Nor is doing compulsory school sports modest in a skirt!
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Post by What Hat on Sept 29, 2009 19:40:38 GMT -5
It doesn't matter whether it's an employer, a religion, or a restaurant chain. When we're positive minded we see positive things, and negative minded we see negative minded. All of a sudden the half-full glass is half-empty. I challenge you to provide me one example of being under a spell. What, my reference was not personally to you, but was a general statement to a standard 2x2. However, in saying that I do cover you by the generalisation. Anyway, regarding your challenge. If I am correct in relation to yourself, then you will not see it, no matter how many examples I provide. Many who have turned the corner on the road to Damascus will clearly see what I am saying and understand. My words were for those people, not for those who have yet to get their feet wet in making the crossing. Much of it is hindsight. The "spell" creates a gulf which those on the wrong side can't see over. Please understand, my words were for people "on the other side." Perhaps some day, you too will see the spell more clearly. In my view very few people escape its power, that's why I include rather than exclude people in the generalisation. True some are more affected than others. Degrees differ. Some are affected slightly, some greatly. I do not agree with glasses half full and glasses half empty, unless you are meaning being under the influence of that which has been consumed. Some day I may make it up to your exalted level of enlightment but not in the present I am afraid. It should be easy to provide an example of "being under a spell". You need only find a statement I've made, like "the earth is flat", for example, which is at least falsifiable, and then provide information to the contrary.
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Post by What Hat on Sept 29, 2009 19:51:23 GMT -5
'What, my reference was not personally to you, but was a general statement to a standard 2x2. However, in saying that I do cover you by the generalisation. Anyway, regarding your challenge. If I am correct in relation to yourself, then you will not see it, no matter how many examples I provide. Many who have turned the corner on the road to Damascus will clearly see what I am saying and understand. My words were for those people, not for those who have yet to get their feet wet in making the crossing. Much of it is hindsight. The "spell" creates a gulf which those on the wrong side can't see over. Please understand, my words were for people "on the other side." Perhaps some day, you too will see the spell more clearly. In my view very few people escape its power, that's why I include rather than exclude people in the generalisation. True some are more affected than others. Degrees differ. Some are affected slightly, some greatly. I do not agree with glasses half full and glasses half empty, unless you are meaning being under the influence of that which has been consumed. " Ram! This is so very true....I've been utterly amazed at how much I've begun to see that was there all the time but somehow someway, I'd been lulled into just not seeing it and was totally and utterly shocked when I did begin to see. And the most amazing part of it all is I did NOT begin to see it until I started studying and meditating on Jesus Christ and Jesus Christ ALONE. And I think there are 2 fold things going on there....I think the more I've learned about Jesus Christ, the MORE I see that is wrong, that isn't conducive to a Christ-filled life within the fellowship. Just this morning I read about the woes that Jesus pronounced against the scribes and Pharisees that sit in Moses' seat. About 10 months ago I saw that as telling us that regardless what workers tell us to do we must do it. But NOW I see it as a revelation to the phariseel part that is in the fellowship...the commandments of men made doctrine. Furthermore I see that what has come of the truth's fellowship is NOT what the beginning workers sought to bring about at all. It is sad that they didn't set down and write their intentions down for their intentions have gone out the door. I'm greatly saddened by this revelation...it hurts horribly to think that such a noble cause has become something so unnoble. People desiring to sit in the best seats in the house on the platform, eating the best foodstuffs in the convs. and in the homes and taking up the best bedrooms and beds in a home. Instead of "serving" as the master said. It is sad, very sad! I forgot to add the 2nd point in this keeping to studying Jesus and only Jesus....while the onslaught of many things been revealed to me that I find NOT right or some such issues within the fellowship, that though I have great sorrow in finding out that a "way" that has been held up to be "the way to salvation" is less then what it is held up to be...it is nothing more then what you'll find when men are at the helm of anything.....there'll be human traits pop up frequently and often negatively. But having Jesus solidly within my mind and heart has enabled me not to be totally decimated and crushed by all these revelations. I can easily see how some have been hit so hard that there is anger and bitterness and even some have hatred for anything or anyone to do with the fellowship. I'm not upholding that such is right, but I can fully understand it. For me the bottom line is whether I can continue to serve Christ and to grow on an individual basis and then whether the fellowship is ultimately beneficial or harmful to that cause.
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Post by What Hat on Sept 29, 2009 19:54:14 GMT -5
this article pretty much sums up how it is in Australia today, maybe some things have been relaxed, like going to movies, watching DVD's but most of the other stuff is pretty spot on...and I know cause I am still in 'the way' Aussiefriend I have been an ex for over 15 years but the article was pretty near 100% accurate for me. It seems WHAT drew a conclusion then tried to back up his conclusion with the very statements that made the article spot on. The thread subject line would keep those fearing losing out from even reading the comments. Perhaps that was the purpose. Similar Tactics used by Bert on other threads Ken That sounds paranoid. I also did not see you rebut a single statement I made, but I could be wrong; maybe I missed it.
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