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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2008 11:34:45 GMT -5
I agree with Gene from another thread. I just didn't realise the workers made so much toast !
Being itinerant, no fixed base, etc, doesn't really give them a lot of time to deal with matters properly. I guess when you've got limited time in the kitchen, you go for the easiest option.
Toast !
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Post by walker on Dec 3, 2008 17:14:18 GMT -5
They just found out that the special meetings are planned for Dec. 21. But this came from a family member. Not one in the area had informed them of this, no workers have made visiting plans with them so, how can healing proceed with that attitude from others? From what I've read here, the family has begun having their own fellowship mtg apart from the advice/counsel given - yes, I understand if Dan can't drive anymore, it would be difficult for them to go to another mtg - but SOMEONE could drive them - what I mean to say is they have made a decision to have their 'own mtg' and their 'own fellowship'. It's written here that they are being 'shunned' - but have they attempted to attend mtgs and been turned away ? Or invited the workers for a visit and been told they won't come ? Or rather have they turned themselves away from the fellowship ? That's their choice and privilege, no blame intended or criticism - all are free to make their own decisions - but then you expect to be informed of mtgs and visits that you aren't involved in ? And the worker from Sweden who is now in Michigan spent more than 5 years in that field and most of the time in their home, and she was the responsible worker when the father of the children professed, the one from PA was the younger companion that year. The point was only that the post started by saying NO ONE has visited them but the rest of the story is that YES, someone visited them and I'm sure if they said they'd be back, they WILL - but the older one is across the state in her field now . . . I trust that the Lord can soften all hearts and wounds (softening helps healing, you know !) and that the mistakes made can be forgiven and all can show a spirit of repentance and willingness to be right with all . . .
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Post by Sharon on Dec 3, 2008 19:14:08 GMT -5
They just found out that the special meetings are planned for Dec. 21. But this came from a family member. Not one in the area had informed them of this, no workers have made visiting plans with them so, how can healing proceed with that attitude from others? From what I've read here, the family has begun having their own fellowship mtg apart from the advice/counsel given - yes, I understand if Dan can't drive anymore, it would be difficult for them to go to another mtg - but SOMEONE could drive them - what I mean to say is they have made a decision to have their 'own mtg' and their 'own fellowship'. It's written here that they are being 'shunned' - but have they attempted to attend mtgs and been turned away ? Or invited the workers for a visit and been told they won't come ? Or rather have they turned themselves away from the fellowship ? That's their choice and privilege, no blame intended or criticism - all are free to make their own decisions - but then you expect to be informed of mtgs and visits that you aren't involved in ? And the worker from Sweden who is now in Michigan spent more than 5 years in that field and most of the time in their home, and she was the responsible worker when the father of the children professed, the one from PA was the younger companion that year. The point was only that the post started by saying NO ONE has visited them but the rest of the story is that YES, someone visited them and I'm sure if they said they'd be back, they WILL - but the older one is across the state in her field now . . . I trust that the Lord can soften all hearts and wounds (softening helps healing, you know !) and that the mistakes made can be forgiven and all can show a spirit of repentance and willingness to be right with all . . . Please consider that this elderly couple have to rely only on themselves and the parents that were so terribly wronged in this debacle....you may want to argue that they don't have to...but put their shoes on for a moment and just WHO would you feel free to ask to drive you to that mtg. 30 mi. away? Do you have any idea how it feels to not know just who is really your true friend? Also consider that the courts have ruled that the children are not to be around any of the w&f's at this time....do you not find it reccommendable that the older couple still seek to see to the younger one's spiritual growth and needs? There was mercy pled for this older couple because they had NO part in the whole affair other then the relationship to the parents and children being involved in such legal riot and most of that brought on by workers and friends! There was NO mercy given! In fact it seems the very opposite happened. Oh! Yes, this couple could go to the w&f's for love and support, but how are they going to know just who they can go to??? It wasn't the older couple who pulled the mtg. out of the home, it wasn't the older couple who spread the rumors and lies about the family's business.....was it? Can you begin to imagine how it feels to have been whipped down by any w&f after having dedicated your life and your home to the fellowship's pleasure? It isn't pretty and it is quite depressing and one doesn't really begin to know who one can turn to on this earth....but for a surety it makes one know who is his Friend! "I would have mercy, not sacrifice."
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Post by jhjmr on Dec 3, 2008 22:19:30 GMT -5
For Walker: The grandparents, parents and family members are having fellowship each week. Isn't that what the bible says, having meeting in the home? How would anyone drive them, when it is very distinct that no one wants to worship with them. No one called and offered. No one has called to inquire about them. It is a total cold treatment that is horrible. But, the people that met with them for years, have been talked to by the overseer, as they said so. Now maybe that will answer the cold treatment, What is worse is that these folks were in meetings together for years, and there are many that are relatives. Even love for family members that attend meetings together is no more. There isn't even the desire to call and find out how they are at this age. It is just complete avoidance. But, if the workers are being distance, then any that listen to them are surely being told to do the same. In Mi.. as you know, there are more than one meeting that was even moved to an elderly person's home, because they couldn't travel there. But. the grandparents were told to travel 30 miles to go to meeting. Even if someone did want to take them, in the cold winter it is not good. You can't have an elderly person falling on ice and etc.
The overseer is very unhappy because they have continued to have a meeting because it is important for them too. He didn't want them to have a meeting because, for one thing, he has completely ex'd the parents and the children. They then can come to a meeting if it is at the grandparents home. Now, that is the biggest reason for the actions of the overseer. He has to justify his actions by telling lies and gossips. First, the meeting is not the overseers. You are meeting to worship God. Next, the overseer does not have the right to determine salvation for anyone. Third, no one has to go to the overseer for permission to serve God. His calling was to save the lost, not destroy God's people. Fourth, the overseer is not to control or judge God's people. That is up to God to do. Does he not know that he also will be standing there judgment day to also be judged on his life? He will have no control that day.
So, no one is begging for mercy or pity. Just would be nice if people would love instead. How did you feel when your parents were old? Did you not want to care for them and see them happy and enjoy life? That is just what anyone wants for any elder person. They have enough trouble just with age without malice.
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Post by jhjmr on Dec 3, 2008 22:49:40 GMT -5
Yes, the court has said they did not want the children to have any contact with workers or friends, as they were encouraged to hate the parents and not try and heal there family life. They also were completely forbidden to talk to the older twins because they also were lying to them and telling them to say things untrue. The court strictly defined to all, there would not be any outside influence on these children. It was discussed a lot that they thought the group were from a cult. People working with the children inquired about a cult influence. The whole court hearings and the people trying to interfere made everything look like a circus, and even that is putting it nice.
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Post by White Knight on Dec 4, 2008 19:29:12 GMT -5
Walker; we know who you are and the connection between you and the elder that was in the hearings. Who by the way was not for the parents.
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Post by walker on Dec 5, 2008 21:50:35 GMT -5
Walker; we know who you are and the connection between you and the elder that was in the hearings. Who by the way was not for the parents. I'm sorry, but I have NO idea who you are, nor do I have any connections to anyone in the hearings - don't even know who was in the hearings. So you are assuming the wrong person here. By the way, the ones posting here seem to know who is 'for the grandparents/family" and who is 'not for them' - so why the big issue that they don't know who to turn to or who are there are true friends ? To an observer, reading here, it seems more like, they were reproved for something and then when not accepting the advice, counsel or whatever, then it was planned that the mtg be no more, and they were directed to another mtg - and with a right spirit of, "I may not agree with this decision, but I can keep true to the Lord and all thing will work out" they would be in a different state then they are now. But instead, it seems they decide " I don't agree with this decision, and I'm right, so we'll just have our own mtg" I know of many a time when others had been changed from one mtg to another (in that very field) and they would be the first to condemn the others for not going where they were asked to go - and going to another mtg - in fact one of the mtgs in that area was just that - formed out of a group of those who didn't want to go to the mtg where they were assigned - and the grandparents would have been the first to condemn them for such an action. Again, I'm not condemning them - but trying to point out that we all err in many ways and all that are criticizing are missing the point of the matter which could be "in what way have I made this situation worse, or in what way could I have reacted differently, that might have saved the situation, etc. . . " looking at ourselves and what we might not have done or said rightly - instead of just criticizing others and waiting for them to come and 'apologize' to us !? I'm sorry that so much hurt is so present . . .and just hurting others and lashing out at others rather than trying to find healing. . . God Bless all . . .
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Post by jhjmr on Dec 5, 2008 22:41:31 GMT -5
Walker, if it was that simple, it would be wonderful, but you do not know of the incident that led to them having the meeting removed, and why they were instructed they could go 30 miles, when it is not in the best interest to go that far. It was said that someone could drive their car, but that someone doesn't talk to them because of things that was told to them. In fact, anyone that the overseer talk to, doesn't talk to them. And they had many friends, so you can see how that went. I know you talk to the elder of the church that they were told to go to, so observe and and not just assume that things were just sweet and considerate, when it was anything but. And a very important item was that the overseer did not want to have their daughter and family is any meetings, so therefore if the meeting was removed from the parents, they would be left with no meeting to go to. It didn't matter whether the children went to meeting or not. And there were sore grapes because the court had ordered the children to be seperated from the workers and friends that were causing so much gossip and trying to influence the children against their parents. So, the overseer definitely had an ax to grind, and still does. I can't imagine that he is so ignorant that he does not know that what he says comes back. And he outright lied and called the grandparents liar for things that were a complete lie. So, if you want to accept advise and counsel from that type of person, and consider it good and planned with a good spirit, you may do so. I know of incidents of where the meeting was put in certain homes and it made for a very bad situation. But the overseer did what he wanted. And there were those that were very disturbed by it. You must not have a malice notion or a wrong spirit to be a advisor or counselor. That is not what is shown in Michigan.
Next time you talk to someone here, ask about the terrible rumor that was started again to make the family look terrible. A complete lie, but spread like a fire out of control. Perhaps the advisor and counselor ought to get a grip on things like that since it seems to be from his choice meeting.
God makes all things known and his chosen few will rejoice in the end. No man can take that from Gods chosen people no matter what is said or done. And God is who you answer too. Not go to a human man and plead with him. The system is a condemning system and it is critical for everyone to look to God for help and not be led by someone that is at the top of the system. No one is required to accept condemnation and disrespect just because they think they are the top of the system. It is easy to find fault with someone that just doesn't obey a command from an over bearing leader, but if you follow that leader and he has a wrong spirit and is not having direct contact with God, you then could become like him and also have that haughty spirit. God would have no contact with them either and it isn't hard to see who has God dealing with their spirit. Hatred shown to others is very outstanding!
I know you might not be close, but you are sure getting information that is not like it is. Beware of what you hear and think twice before you come to a conclusion that is against someone that was completely innocent of any trouble and was judged and scorned by people that need to get on their knees instead of on the phone to spread gossip and hate.
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Post by cheechette on Dec 5, 2008 23:18:01 GMT -5
To Walker - Reply #29 - You stated a name in your writing and also who had been around. For not knowing anyone or talking to anyone..... do you have ESP? Or did you get caught by someone knowing who you are and you didn't want anyone to know? You do have a talent for criticism of people you say you don't know. Have you hung your head in shame yet?
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Post by walker on Dec 6, 2008 20:03:59 GMT -5
I know you talk to the elder of the church that they were told to go to, so observe and and not just assume that things were just sweet and considerate, when it was anything but. Sorry, I'm not who you might think I am - as I just learned what mtg they were asked to go to and haven't spoken to that family in a couple of years - I don't live in Michigan now but I do know the families well in that area of Michigan and have great respect for what that older couple has meant to me in the past, and I certainly am in NO position to judge any facts in the situation - but observing the spirit shown by many here (yes, I don't know all the facts, but are there any justifications for bitterness Even when wronged ?? Of course, that's easier to know in the mind, then to keep in the heart when you are the ONE wounded. And a very important item was that the overseer did not want to have their daughter and family is any meetings, Ever again, or just while they were involved in court hearings ? Again, I don't know his reasonings, just trying to be reasonable here. so therefore if the meeting was removed from the parents, they would be left with no meeting to go to. It didn't matter whether the children went to meeting or not. Maybe I heard things wrong, but wasn't the mtg change suggested at the time when the children were in foster care, so that wouldn't have affected them at all at that point? Of course, them being home now, it would create an issue, but likely if all had cooperated, and when the situation was resolved then the parents would have been welcomed into mtgs again ? I would have hoped so, but with the evidence of the bitterness (if you are speaking for the family and their opinions, that is) I don't suppose they'd want to be in fellowship with anyone who hasn't taken their 'side' ? (of course, it's too bad that anyone took 'sides' one against another) I would hope that you are just voicing your own opinions and judgements and that the parents aren't having the same spirit, because if you don't think that THAT will affect those little children Next time you talk to someone here, ask about the terrible rumor that was started again to make the family look terrible. A complete lie, but spread like a fire out of control. Perhaps the advisor and counselor ought to get a grip on things like that since it seems to be from his choice meeting. I've heard the rumor, but haven't seen anything mentioned on TMB, and wouldn't ask anyone about it as I wouldn't want to spread rumors further - so looks like YOU are spreading that fire further by posting about it !? I like the advice on this board regarding accusations - if you can't provide the documentation to support it, don't say it - that should be a good rule for everyone's daily life, eh ? It is easy to find fault with someone that just doesn't obey a command from an over bearing leader, but if you follow that leader and he has a wrong spirit and is not having direct contact with God, you then could become like him and also have that haughty spirit. God would have no contact with them either and it isn't hard to see who has God dealing with their spirit. Hatred shown to others is very outstanding! Wouldn't Saul and David be a good example of following a God-chosen leader who had gone wrong? David stayed in direct contact with God, but also (or maybe as a result of his contact with God, he could stay) submitted to Saul as the chosen one, until God took care of the situation and even then he felt grief for the distress it caused in the kingdomI know you might not be close, but you are sure getting information that is not like it is. Beware of what you hear and think twice before you come to a conclusion that is against someone that was completely innocent of any trouble and was judged and scorned by people that need to get on their knees instead of on the phone to spread gossip and hate. No conclusions taken yet, just waiting and praying and hoping that healing can come to all - - - -
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Post by walker on Dec 6, 2008 20:15:01 GMT -5
To Walker - Reply #29 - You stated a name in your writing and also who had been around. For not knowing anyone or talking to anyone..... do you have ESP? Or did you get caught by someone knowing who you are and you didn't want anyone to know? You do have a talent for criticism of people you say you don't know. Have you hung your head in shame yet? I never stated that I did not know anyone nor talk to anyone - but I do NOT know who all was in the hearings - I do not have ESP, nor have I been CAUGHT by someone knowing who I am as I have nothing to hide, I'm not even involved in the situation - only know a few of the famous 'names' on the list. Did I say I don't know these people ?? And did I not state that I am NOT criticizing nor judging - only observing and concerned about what is being expressed in the posts that don't seem healthy to anyone wanting to keep right with the Lord above and those here on earth. Do I have to hang my head in shame, because I care about the family and workers involved ? Again, I'm afraid you are taking my expressions and accusing a wrong person - whoever you think I am, don't hold my posts against them - as they aren't the ones posting this ! PM me if you want to go further - - - -God bless you all -
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Post by cheechette on Dec 6, 2008 22:46:59 GMT -5
Walker - Does that mean you hang with the gossip-mongers..... "Listening to the gossip and repeating the gossip" It seems the things you have stated was gossip since you state you were not around.
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Post by jhjmr on Dec 6, 2008 22:58:25 GMT -5
Rudeness is a big attitude and no one has to have documents to see it or hear it. It is so bad, you can feel it. Not a single person that has been involved in any way, for or against, could see, hear and feel the rude unloving hateful spirit that was shown to the family. The parents and children have been cut off completely. If someone sees them, they wouldn't even wave. The stories that keep getting spread if terrible. You couldn't walk into a meeting with any of the group. They would burn you at stake. And the overseer is not one bit bashful about the way he has cut them out. Everyone know it, you don't need a document. Perhaps you could talk to him and he would share his feeling very well. He is not shy about being very much to the point. You definitely know the overseer, no one has to tell you anything about him. You also know how cruel some people can be from the influence of the workers. Michigan has had more than just this case. I am very glad you care about the family and workers involved. I'm sure you would share that concern with them just as you would write the workers with your regard. The family would be very happy to get a word of encouragement. You are not just observing from this thread. Were you not at Carsonville convention? There was lots to hear there. And, how do you know a few famous names on the list, since it has never been released by the police? Of course the workers have the list I am sure since they were so involved in having the list reported. So, you made a very interesting comment there. Do share with the rest of us the famous names. We are all waiting to hear who they all are. Perhaps the worker told your informant who they were.
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Post by walker on Dec 7, 2008 21:32:38 GMT -5
You are not just observing from this thread. Were you not at Carsonville convention? There was lots to hear there. And, how do you know a few famous names on the list, since it has never been released by the police?
Nope, was not at Carsonville convention for many years ! I do hear from different ones around Michigan - and some names have been mentioned as one of the 'accused' on the big list - sure haven't had any of it confirmed tho', wouldn't expect them to be lying, if they were one named ?
What I meant about the documentation, is I don't believe all that I hear, as accusations, unless I see documentation - so the rumors are not spread from me ! Of course, you don't need documentation to recognize a wrong spirit, I agree with you there ! - but I've read and felt plenty of that from the posts on the TMB too - not just from what the workers have supposedly shown (supposedly, because I'm not there to know or see) and have only heard from 2 of the workers and they only expressed deep concern and regret. I did hear from one of the workers that went to visit them but she didn't share details of the visit and I didn't expect her too as I feel that was private between them. Again, I'm sorry for all involved on both sides and hope all are seeking the way of peace and harmony - no one will prosper spiritually (if they are right or wrong) until there is some harmony again ! Yes, an innocent, falsely accused, wounded person who is bitter will not prosper anymore than the one that did the wounding until peace is made - isn't that why Jesus encouraged the one who knew that his brother had something against hiim to leave his sacrifice at the altar and go be reconciled to his brother then come and offer his sacrifice ? That would be the one who is innocent going to the one who has the bad spirit to make peace, right ? We don't see that very often but rather we hear that the one who did the deed has to come and apologize - so with that attitude, neither one prospers spiritually. Ok, goodnight and hope you can help them all to just pray for forgiveness for all as you seem to be close to the family - hope you can have a Godly influence on them as well - God Bless
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Post by cheechette on Dec 11, 2008 23:06:25 GMT -5
To K Walker - Since you seem to know the answer.... why don't you run that by the overseer. I am sure he will love to hear you are concerned and will welcome any advice!!!!! Please let him know how to correct his problem and how to show the right spirit and by all means don't forget to tell him how he can APOLOGIZE. We don't see that very often, how about never, and we hear that the one who did the deed has the attitude he does not need to APOLOGIZE. Perhaps you can suggest he prays for forgiveness, but.... make sure you aren't in the same room as he prays because when it bounces back off the ceiling it may hit you in the head. Hopefully you can have a Godly influence on him as well. "Good Luck"
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Post by Sharon on Dec 12, 2008 12:51:06 GMT -5
To K Walker - Since you seem to know the answer.... why don't you run that by the overseer. I am sure he will love to hear you are concerned and will welcome any advice!!!!! Please let him know how to correct his problem and how to show the right spirit and by all means don't forget to tell him how he can APOLOGIZE. We don't see that very often, how about never, and we hear that the one who did the deed has the attitude he does not need to APOLOGIZE. Perhaps you can suggest he prays for forgiveness, but.... make sure you aren't in the same room as he prays because when it bounces back off the ceiling it may hit you in the head. Hopefully you can have a Godly influence on him as well. "Good Luck" You know this brings to my mind as it always does when there is a very deep need for a healing apology is Jesus' own words....if one has a gift to offer on the altar and remembers that his brother has ought against him and I think Jesus meant it vice a versa...that that gift would not nor should not be offered until that apology was sincerely made. Otherwords, a gift to God is repulsive to Him when there is "adversity" between brother. We're getting into studying Malachi for Wed. nite studies and that is a very scarey book...tells just how much God hates the defective sacrifices....and the sacrifices offered from an impure heart surely would be defective, would they not?
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Post by learnedaboutgrace on Dec 12, 2008 14:26:04 GMT -5
where is this altar the 2x2s should use for this?
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Post by walker on Dec 14, 2008 22:18:22 GMT -5
To K Walker - Since you seem to know the answer.... why don't you run that by the overseer. I am sure he will love to hear you are concerned and will welcome any advice!!!!! Please let him know how to correct his problem and how to show the right spirit and by all means don't forget to tell him how he can APOLOGIZE. We don't see that very often, how about never, and we hear that the one who did the deed has the attitude he does not need to APOLOGIZE. Perhaps you can suggest he prays for forgiveness, but.... make sure you aren't in the same room as he prays because when it bounces back off the ceiling it may hit you in the head. Hopefully you can have a Godly influence on him as well. "Good Luck" I don't know who K Walker is and by the way, 'walker' is not a family name, it's just 'one who walks'. I don't have any oportunity to be in the room with JF when he prays. What do you mean, 'the one who did the deed has the attitude he does not need to apologize' ?
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Post by Sharon on Dec 14, 2008 22:23:34 GMT -5
where is this altar the 2x2s should use for this? Whereever I am on my knees! Whatever time of day I'm offering down on my knees in supplication for His favor!
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Post by jhjmr on Dec 18, 2008 20:52:36 GMT -5
Well, Dec. 16th came and went and the first twin was not in the court room. She is still very much illusioned about everything that she has claimed happened to her and of all the false accusations that the twins made. They want everyone to believe that it is true. They haven't had much help from medication or therapy. So, another 90 days will be ordered to see what happens.
The interesting fact was that some group, wonder which group that could be, has hired new lawyers to represent the girls. The new lawyers also asked that the time be added so they could comb through all of the many many papers the girls turned into the police. Now the group that hired the lawyers, came up with donations to hire the lawyers. So, if the workers need to skate out of anything they had better have some good lawyers some place, and lo and behold, if you ask for money, it just rains down. God will definitely reward those people with a step up version of heaven. Now we know giving money to the workers for the gospel is one thing, but hiring lawyers, wow, A new one there!!
Sure hope it helps the girls and not save someones elses butt from all of this mess!!!
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Post by Sharon on Dec 18, 2008 21:29:53 GMT -5
Well, Dec. 16th came and went and the first twin was not in the court room. She is still very much illusioned about everything that she has claimed happened to her and of all the false accusations that the twins made. They want everyone to believe that it is true. They haven't had much help from medication or therapy. So, another 90 days will be ordered to see what happens. The interesting fact was that some group, wonder which group that could be, has hired new lawyers to represent the girls. The new lawyers also asked that the time be added so they could comb through all of the many many papers the girls turned into the police. Now the group that hired the lawyers, came up with donations to hire the lawyers. So, if the workers need to skate out of anything they had better have some good lawyers some place, and lo and behold, if you ask for money, it just rains down. God will definitely reward those people with a step up version of heaven. Now we know giving money to the workers for the gospel is one thing, but hiring lawyers, wow, A new one there!! Sure hope it helps the girls and not save someones elses butt from all of this mess!!! jhjmr! I wonder have the authorities decreed that the twins are not to have any society with the workers or friends? If not, could this be the problem now? Is someone or someones trying to confuse the issue? This sounds like things are getting worse, not better!
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Post by bandtroll on Dec 18, 2008 22:31:17 GMT -5
I wonder have the authorities decreed that the twins are not to have any society with the workers or friends? If not, could this be the problem now? Is someone or someones trying to confuse the issue? This sounds like things are getting worse, not better! "Most likely" the court/authorities have turned the girls over to the doctors/hospital. In most cases the doctors/hospital would have ABSOLUTE control over who does/does not have contact with anyone behind their locked doors. The doctors/hospital would be watching/recording how patients act/react to every person they come in contact with. IMO, if anyone visitor was hindering progress they would be quickly banned from the visitors list. To put in perspective how much time patients have with the 'outside world' here are sample visiting hours. Weekday visiting hours: 6:30 p.m. - 7:30 p.m. Weekend and Holiday visiting hours: 11:00 a.m. - 2:00 p.m. and 5:00 p.m. - 7:30 p.m.Does anyone know if the girls are getting any visitors? (I'm sure they could use a few 'un-judging friends' about now)
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Post by jphillips on Dec 18, 2008 22:41:56 GMT -5
jhjmr! I wonder have the authorities decreed that the twins are not to have any society with the workers or friends? If not, could this be the problem now? Is someone or someones trying to confuse the issue? This sounds like things are getting worse, not better!
YIKES, no communication with the Workers ==> that'll make it tough to communicate with their companion when then go out preaching!
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Post by bandtroll on Dec 18, 2008 22:42:06 GMT -5
Which is it? Well, Dec. 16th came and went and the first twin was not in the court room. She is still very much illusioned about everything that she has claimed happened to her and of all the false accusations that the twins made. OR The new lawyers also asked that the time be added so they could comb through all of the many many papers the girls turned into the police. If the doctors/hospital felt the twin was still not ready to appear in court there would be no reason for the lawyers to ask for more time. IMO, they would only need to ask for more time if the doctors/hospital felt the twin WAS ready but the lawyers were not ready. As with most of this story, things still aren't adding up.
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Post by jhjmr on Dec 19, 2008 10:42:47 GMT -5
I'm sorry Bandtroll if things just don't add up for you. Guess what, things haven't added up to any of the family of this mess since the beginning. Yes, both the hospital said the girls were very disillusioned and the lawyers asked for more time. So, the judge just said, more time. So, that adds up to, more time. No one cares if it is another 90 days. That is nothing compared to a life time of hospitalization or a jail term. When you go to court, everyone makes their claim of what they want. Just because the hospital said nothing has changed, doesn't mean the court will say o.k. So, after everyone makes their request, the judge then rules on what he thinks is right. He agreed with the hospital and the new lawyers. Does that clear things up for you?
It was good that when the new lawyers asked that the first charge that accumulated from the first appearance be dropped, the judge said that since they were hired with donations, then the donations could pay for the first charge too. This charge was from the court appointed lawyer. That was surely fair. Hope those donations just keep rolling in, because someone is going to have less bucks when this is over. I'm sure that it will be rewarded to those willing people, who is so interested in the gospel that you must pay lawyers too.
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Post by jhjmr on Dec 19, 2008 10:59:05 GMT -5
Yes, it was mentioned about the visitors the girls are having, and the lawyers, "hired by the group", said it would be to hard on the girls if they didn't have their visitors, so it was left that way for now. Hopefully that will be corrected and maybe some headway can be established in this case.
No headway way made in the case with the four minors until the court had enough. When it was ordered no more outside influence the situation improved tremendously in a short time. To the point the children still aren't to see any of the group. Nor do they want too.
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Post by Sharon on Dec 19, 2008 11:15:07 GMT -5
This is perhaps the saddest issue I've ever heard of within the truth's fellowship...And I don't mean to demean any other person's adverse experiences therein either....but a whole extended family has been almost systematically pitted one against another! Things like this make me want to cry "Come, Lord Jesus!" For He certainly could quickly eliminate the trouble makers, the dishonest in heart and rejoing those who belong together as a family unit with love! That's MOP and perhaps it's not so humble either!
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White Knight
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THE SHADOW KNOWS. In the shadow of the highest is a refuge from all fear.
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Post by White Knight on Dec 21, 2008 21:33:17 GMT -5
Walker; is it true you were in the Troy Mi area. Then moved to Tennessee.
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