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Post by Jesse_Lackman on Sept 10, 2008 11:21:01 GMT -5
I am wondering how the twins came up with the 200 men on that list. Alot of people are wondering the same thing. One would hope a serious and fair false accusation investigation/trial would trace those names back to the primary source. Jesse
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Post by degem on Sept 10, 2008 11:24:26 GMT -5
I agree with you Jesse. To me that would be the fair and just thing to do in regards to those
whose names were on that list/falsely accused.
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Post by lin on Sept 10, 2008 11:27:46 GMT -5
What's that called in court leading?
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Post by lin on Sept 10, 2008 11:33:15 GMT -5
We'll just have to wait and see.
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Post by peace and joy on Sept 10, 2008 11:38:53 GMT -5
They started out accusing Brother Workers who had been in their parent's home in the past, then starting adding names of men they had been in meeting with, and toward the end of this fiasco, they named elders of mtgs, their family Dr., postman, practically any male they ever came in contact with. It didn't take authorities long to realize their claims were not true, but they were encouraged by some to continue in their claims. Many Friends and Workers were deceived by them.
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Post by lin on Sept 10, 2008 11:44:03 GMT -5
Conventioneer: Was it only friends and workers that they were encouraged by? Was there any outside influences?
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Post by degem on Sept 10, 2008 11:54:05 GMT -5
How horrible for those who were falsely accused! Can't imagine
how they must felt.
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Post by peace and joy on Sept 10, 2008 12:04:04 GMT -5
No outside influences. It's been a very difficult year for a lot of people.
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Post by bandtroll on Sept 10, 2008 12:30:29 GMT -5
Aug 29th twins tested to see if they can stand trial. If you have never had to deal with someone firsthand who is 'crazy' you have no idea what it is like. No one would have to lead them, but how do you stop them without "obstructing justice?" Also if someone has always seemed sane and honest in the past, it is hard not be believe them, at first.
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Post by Brother Schrock on Sept 10, 2008 21:16:03 GMT -5
How horrible for those who were falsely accused! Can't imagine how they must felt. I, too, imagine it would be horrible for those falsely accused. At the same time, I wonder if there could be valid claims amongst those accused. Which would be worse, being falsely accused, or throwing the baby out with the bathwater and letting someone who is guilty off scott free?
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Post by harpsichord on Sept 10, 2008 21:21:31 GMT -5
Did the family who got their kids back return to meetings yet?
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Post by White Knight on Sept 10, 2008 22:31:19 GMT -5
NO. There is still a no third party involvement injunction. But I would encourage those who are serious in helping the family. To, make every effort to do so. For the Kingdoms sake. Despite others who try to hinder.
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Post by ann on Sept 11, 2008 0:18:04 GMT -5
"For the Kingdoms sake." LOL! edited: What about what is good & right for the family?
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Post by barbara on Sept 11, 2008 10:06:10 GMT -5
I pray for the family often. (The whole family)
My prayer is quite different!!!
Barbara
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Post by jhjmr on Sept 12, 2008 19:07:45 GMT -5
The family is doing well. The children have been forbidden to be around any workers because of the outside influence they were trying to cause, so the court seen fit to ban the influence. That is how the courts feel about the religion. A blind man could see the outside influence and the hatred that was present. It would be a good thing to have the twins answer many questions so that the workers can not just skate out of this mess. That I'm sure is their desire. If you say the girls are liars, then anything the girls say, they would just say the girls are incompetent and lie. So, lets hope that the scheme of everything is made known. There are so many things that isn't been made public yet, that is just unbelievable. It is just devious. So, many of us want answers and to find out just what purpose all of this was for and just what was being hid. There has to be a serious reason to try and hide something. Let the domino's fall. On down the chain to the very person at the top! All of the allegations against all of the innocent people, must stand tall and press charges for justice. This must never happen to anyone again.
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Post by lin on Sept 12, 2008 19:12:37 GMT -5
I never heard of a court saying who's guilty before the trial.
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Post by ilylo on Sept 12, 2008 19:15:08 GMT -5
I never heard of a court saying who's guilty before the trial. Two words: Willis Propp
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Post by White Knight on Sept 12, 2008 20:45:52 GMT -5
"For the Kingdoms sake." LOL! edited: What about what is good & right for the family? Your right: especially now we all know this was made up. And I can truly say I for one understand this great sorrow and all its attributes.
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Post by freedonforever on Sept 13, 2008 14:42:06 GMT -5
No court has said anyone was guilty without a trial. It will be found out if the girls are competent for a trial or will be found needing mental help. The criminal court will be making that decision. But they have been found guilty of lying to stand trial if capable. They are guilty of lying because of the extensive research, questioning and investigation that has been going on for a year. So, what has to be determined is their mental condition.
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Post by White Knight on Sept 15, 2008 20:41:24 GMT -5
No court has said anyone was guilty without a trial. It will be found out if the girls are competent for a trial or will be found needing mental help. The criminal court will be making that decision. But they have been found guilty of lying to stand trial if capable. They are guilty of lying because of the extensive research, questioning and investigation that has been going on for a year. So, what has to be determined is their mental condition. We haven't heard the conclusion of the matter yet. But I can guarantee someone’s tee cup is going to shatter.
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Post by greenthumb on Sept 16, 2008 7:43:20 GMT -5
We haven't heard the conclusion of the matter yet. But I can guarantee someone’s tee cut is going to shatter. Excuse my stupidity but what is a "tee cut"?
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Post by bandtroll on Sept 16, 2008 8:53:39 GMT -5
I am wondering how the twins came up with the 200 men on that list. Alot of people are wondering the same thing. One would hope a serious and fair false accusation investigation/trial would trace those names back to the primary source. Jesse If we were dealing with the Federal government, they would claim "stolen laptop."
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Post by Scott Ross on Sept 16, 2008 14:48:02 GMT -5
But they have been found guilty of lying to stand trial if capable. They are guilty of lying because of the extensive research, questioning and investigation that has been going on for a year. So, what has to be determined is their mental condition. No they have not been found guilty. That is what the trial will determine if they are found competent to stand trial. They have been charged with filing a false police report is my understanding. It will be up to the court to determine whether they are guilty or not, and if so what the sentence will be. Scott
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Post by White Knight on Sept 17, 2008 6:26:06 GMT -5
Juicy gossip did I hear everyone loves gossip.
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Post by wanttobewithGod on Sept 17, 2008 6:31:06 GMT -5
greenthumb, I'm fairly certain WK meant "tea cup."
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Post by White Knight on Sept 17, 2008 6:33:41 GMT -5
This is public record stuff not really a start of what I have. OF MICHIGAN NOTICE TO APPEAR CASE NO. 08-1838 FY JUDICIAL DISTRICT X-REF: 34-1959-07 Court Address 255 CLAY STREET Court Telephone LAPEER, MI 48446 (810) 667—0314 Plaintiff {}Personal service YOU ARE DIRECTED TO APPEAR AT: STATE OF MICHIGAN {X}The court address above,courtroom 2 V Defendant { }Personal service /BETIJANIE/ARIEL Judge LAURA CHEGER BARNARD 249 P0B0X722 HIGHLAND, MI 48357 FOR THE FOLLOWING PURPOSE: DAY DATE TIME Pltf Atty/People { }Personal service {_}Pre-trial Conf. (810) 667—0326 P—68536 CAILIN NICOLE CHRISMER {_}Prelim Exam. 255 CLAY ST FL 2 LAPEER, MI 48446 {_}Jury Selection {_} Jury Trial Defendant’s Atty { }Personal service {}Non—Jury Trial (810) 664—7773 P—57691 NICOLE M. QUANDT {}Sentencing 620 FOX ST LAPEER, MI 48446 {}Motion / {}Arraignment IMPORTANT: READ THIS CAREFULLY 1. Bring this notice with you. {_}Informal Hrg. 2. No case may be adjourned except by authority of the judge for good {_}Formal Hearing cause shown. - 3. FAILURE OF THE DEFENDANT TO APPEAR {X}PRELIM CONF FRI 9/19/08 9:00 AM in a civil case may cause a default judgment to be entered. FAILURE OF {_}The above matter is adjourned from THE PLAINTIFF TO APPEAR may result in a dismissal of the case. 4. FAILURE TO APPEAR in a criminal case Offense may subject you to the penalty for 1)FALSE FY RE? contempt of court, and a bench warrant may be issued for your arrest. Officer: FERGUSON/BRIAN 5. If you intend to employ a lawyer,s/he should be notified of the date at once. 6. If you require special accommodations KLY to use the court because of disabilities, Clerk/Administrator please contact the court immediately to make arrangements. ICERTIFICATE OF NAILINGI I certify that on this date, copies of this notice were served upon the parties/attorneys by ordinary mail at the addresses shown above. Dat7/UtV Clerk/Administrator MC 06 (6/96) NOTICE TO APPEAR
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Post by White Knight on Sept 17, 2008 6:38:50 GMT -5
2008001949 DO STATE OF MICHIGAN COMPLAiNT CASE NO.: 2008001949 71-A JUDICIAL DISTRICT FELONY DISTRICT: 2 40th JUDICIAL CIRCUIT CIRCUIT: Distiict Court ORI:M Circuit Court ORl:M 255 Clay Street, Lapeer, Ml 48446 810-667-0314 255 Clay Street, Lapeer, Ml 48448 810-667-0358 Defendant’s name and address ‘ or complainant THE PEOPLE OF THE V BETHANIE D/SGT BRIAN FERGUSON STATE OF MICHIGAN 1650 HURDS CORNER ROAD Complaining Witness CARO, MI 48723 Court Officer Co-defendant(s) Date: On or about STEPHANIE Nov 2007 - June 2008 City/TwpJVillage County in Michigan Defendant TCN Defendant CTN Defendant SID Defendant DOB Lapeer 44-08001949-01 02113/1989 Police agency report no. Charge DLN Type: Vehiole Type Defendant DLN 34195907 See below K 552 085 071 091 Witnesses * DISGT BRIAN FERGUSON LT. GARY PARKS SUSAN WITHEROW TROOPER CRAiG D/SGT W. SMITH D/SGT. MICHAEL HARRJNGTON MSP POLYGRAPH OPERATOR RE: TROOPER MARY BANNON DR. JOHN JONES SWONGER DR. CHARLES LEPO KELLY HOLT SHARON JONES BRUCE BAILEY STATE OF MICHIGAN, COUNTY OF LAPEER The complaining witness says that on the date and at the location described above, the defendant, contrary to law, COUNT 1: FALSE REPORT OF A FELONY did, intentionally make, or cause to be made, a false report of the commission of a felony, including, but not limited to, Criminal Sexual Conduct and/or Child Sexually Abusive Activity, to be made to a peace officer of the Michigan State Police, knowing that the report was false; contrary to MCL 750.411 a(l )(b). [ Al B] FELONY: 4 Years and/or $2,000.00 Upon conviction of a felony or an attempted felony court shall order law enforcement to collect DNA identification profiling samples. ‘A! ‘ .Jt— — The complaining witness asks that the defendant be apprehended and dealt with according to law. Peace Officers On! I declare that the statements above are true to the best of m ation, knowledge and belief. Warrant authorized on ( / by: dompiain - - / ‘ / 11 Subscnb and s to before me on 7 / Cailin N. ChrisfTi P68536 Jud lerk / Bar no.
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Post by lin on Sept 17, 2008 7:28:30 GMT -5
It's coming clearer the source and coaching squad behind this fiasco.
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