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Post by maggsmagpie on Mar 1, 2009 22:52:21 GMT -5
Buzybee It is now 45 years since i found myself outside of the fellowship because I could no longer beleive they were the only ones right. I am now 75 and still think every week about someone still there. I dont need more than one hand to count those who visited me when I left and no workers ever did. They are mostly good people but so judgemental and gosep keeps them all in check. Today I live a quiet life not unlike when I was amember although I enjoy a drink and the TV. What I have never realy got over is they way they cut me off and they had it all wrong on what the reason was. My parents left in their 70's and died peacefully. Unlike a lot writting here I dont count myself as a christian because I saw a biger picture and wondered about other christian churches, moslems, jews, hindus and buddas. So I see jesus as a prophat and the bible as a record of many lives and great teachings. I live in Australia and would welcome direct contact by email with any ex member who is interested as afriend because our background means we have something in common. Maggsmagpie
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Post by ronhall on Mar 2, 2009 2:03:26 GMT -5
Buzybee It is now 45 years since i found myself outside of the fellowship because I could no longer beleive they were the only ones right. I am now 75 and still think every week about someone still there. I dont need more than one hand to count those who visited me when I left and no workers ever did. They are mostly good people but so judgemental and gosep keeps them all in check. Today I live a quiet life not unlike when I was amember although I enjoy a drink and the TV. What I have never realy got over is they way they cut me off and they had it all wrong on what the reason was. My parents left in their 70's and died peacefully. Unlike a lot writting here I dont count myself as a christian because I saw a biger picture and wondered about other christian churches, moslems, jews, hindus and buddas. So I see jesus as a prophat and the bible as a record of many lives and great teachings. I live in Australia and would welcome direct contact by email with any ex member who is interested as afriend because our background means we have something in common. Maggsmagpie At 75 I would hope that you could bury the past and look to the future. The Buddhist doctrine and Hindu doctrines teach good moral living and can be applauded for that. The Bible explains the situation with the Jews and Moslems and their relationship to Christians. Other Christian churches have a variety of Biblical teachings that are good, but none closely follow the New Testament practices except for the friends and workers. That isn't to say that every worker and every friend at all times never makes a mistake. So we have to forgive and let the past be the past. I deeply believe you should contact the workers and attempt to make things right again before it's too late. God will forgive and bless.
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Post by maggsmagpie on Mar 2, 2009 5:45:09 GMT -5
ronhall I am surprised you are even allowed to have a computer and I note your email address is not listed. While I see the good in those I left behind all I can say is that the culture of the members is so engrained as it was in me that I could not belong. The sad part is the people I cared so much for could not continue any sort of frienship but I understand why this is so. If the workers could not contact me then there is no way that I could have any faith in contacting them now and returning. maggsmagpie
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Post by buzzybee on Mar 2, 2009 12:41:58 GMT -5
"God will forgive and bless."
I do believe that God will forgive and Bless RH, but i don't believe you have to be a part of the friends and workers for this to happen.
I believe God has opened my eyes to things i couldn't see as a member. I to am Happy where i am. I'm still searching for a good church, and have really been searching as far as history in the Bible. My latest discovery was very enlightening. I just didn't think about it before. It's that Jesus grew up as a Jew. He would have red the Torah, talmud and the Kaballa. I never knew those books existed as member. If Jesus read those growing up, i would be interested in reading them too.......
Just some thoughts.
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Post by ronhall on Mar 3, 2009 10:47:36 GMT -5
ronhall I am surprised you are even allowed to have a computer and I note your email address is not listed. While I see the good in those I left behind all I can say is that the culture of the members is so engrained as it was in me that I could not belong. The sad part is the people I cared so much for could not continue any sort of frienship but I understand why this is so. If the workers could not contact me then there is no way that I could have any faith in contacting them now and returning. maggsmagpie Did you mean the workers wouldn't allow me to have a computer? The present culture is that most of the workers have their own laptops as well as internet service of some sort and use them regularly to communicate. I understand your present reservations, considering the break in contact that was imposed years ago. I would suppose by now a lot of water has run under the bridge on both sides of the situation. I can also understand the seeming lack of interest in you after the break. My experience with this was with a family that left. The father was related to me, but not closely related. We did have contact, even visited occasionally living several hundred miles apart. Whenever they spent a weekend with us they would accompany us to meeting and take part as before but when we reciprocated they didn't attend meeting. However the relationship soon began to become strained and the feeling was the welcome no longer existed. Now much time has passed and contact is again occurring, by phone and e-mail. There is interest about friends and workers and subjects in the Bible. They do attend another denominational church and enjoy the preaching there, but are dismayed at the lack of regard of the members for each other and the minister. I have no idea how this will all end but it is good that their faith in God is intact and their love for the friends and workers they once knew, with only a couple of exceptions, is still apparent. My observation is that within any group of people there will be some that mesh and some that clash. Seems that a person usually mellows a bit with age, but I find there are some that I still don't desire to develop a close relationship with.
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Post by ilylo on Mar 7, 2009 23:16:34 GMT -5
I deeply believe you should contact the workers and attempt to make things right again before it's too late. How ridiculous!
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Post by ann on Mar 8, 2009 2:18:33 GMT -5
I agree w/ilylo ... how utterly ridiculous!
The only thing needed is to be right with God. NO worker is going to make it right between you and God - NO worker is going to get you to heaven - NO worker is going to be there when you stand before Him.
Please read your Bible and find a Bible-based church - one that believes & teaches what the Bible really says not what some worker thinks it says or twists it to say.
Only God forgives and blesses through his free gift of grace and love. Something NO worker would know anything about.
God Bless you
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Post by ronhall on Mar 8, 2009 9:16:48 GMT -5
I agree w/ilylo ... how utterly ridiculous! The only thing needed is to be right with God. NO worker is going to make it right between you and God - NO worker is going to get you to heaven - NO worker is going to be there when you stand before Him. Please read your Bible and find a Bible-based church - one that believes & teaches what the Bible really says not what some worker thinks it says or twists it to say. Only God forgives and blesses through his free gift of grace and love. Something NO worker would know anything about. God Bless you ann Ann, I agree with almost everything you've posted. The only thing needed is to be right with God. -- I agree. NO worker is going to make it right between you and God - NO worker is going to get you to heaven - NO worker is going to be there when you stand before Him. -- We are on the same page here. When we stand before God our only hope is Jesus our intercessor standing with us. Please read your Bible and find a Bible-based church - one that believes & teaches what the Bible really says not what some worker thinks it says or twists it to say. -- To make this fit my personal experience, I would have to admit that a Bible-based, and I might add, a faith-based church found me! I do read my Bible and do catch a worker slipping up on some detail when preaching, occasionally. I have never noticed a worker twisting the scriptures to provide some profit or benefit for him or herself. Only God forgives and blesses through his free gift of grace and love. Something NO worker would know anything about. -- To more closely follow scripture, this statement should be expanded: "God forgives our debts as we forgive our debtors and blesses us without measure through his free and incomprehensible gift of grace and love. It is true that NO worker would state this exactly as you did. Should you want to check the basis of the Bible truth that God forgives our debts as we forgive our debtors, it can be found in the Gospel of Matthew, chapter 6, verse 12 and is the words of Jesus, the Son of God. I'm glad to note comments on my posts, whether positive or negative. Being human, as we both are and especially communicating via a medium as this is, highly inaccurate impressions can be made that result in one seeing the other in that inaccurate light. Encouraging one another to read the Bible and to meet in fellowship with others who are like-minded is always good, and I would encourage you to do the same, Ann. May God find it in His heart to bless you also. Ron
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Post by fred on Mar 10, 2009 7:13:29 GMT -5
Ron, if workers don't twist scripture to provide some profit or benefit to themselves, then why do they do it ? Or have you not heard it ? Indeed at convention I have noticed some twisting and mostly the congregation just sits there with a glazed look taking notes. Some will even proclaim how wonderful so and so was while just a few will have tears of sadness in their eyes.
My belief is that they do it in ignorance, and in some cases it is willful ignorance.
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Post by Redwing on Mar 17, 2009 14:09:40 GMT -5
ilylo, ann, fred: Well said I agree with the three of you
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Post by juliette on Mar 20, 2009 9:20:11 GMT -5
Buzybee It is now 45 years since i found myself outside of the fellowship because I could no longer beleive they were the only ones right. I am now 75 and still think every week about someone still there. I dont need more than one hand to count those who visited me when I left and no workers ever did. They are mostly good people but so judgemental and gosep keeps them all in check. Today I live a quiet life not unlike when I was amember although I enjoy a drink and the TV. What I have never realy got over is they way they cut me off and they had it all wrong on what the reason was. My parents left in their 70's and died peacefully. Unlike a lot writting here I dont count myself as a christian because I saw a biger picture and wondered about other christian churches, moslems, jews, hindus and buddas. So I see jesus as a prophat and the bible as a record of many lives and great teachings. I live in Australia and would welcome direct contact by email with any ex member who is interested as afriend because our background means we have something in common. Maggsmagpie At 75 I would hope that you could bury the past and look to the future. The Buddhist doctrine and Hindu doctrines teach good moral living and can be applauded for that. The Bible explains the situation with the Jews and Moslems and their relationship to Christians. Other Christian churches have a variety of Biblical teachings that are good, but none closely follow the New Testament practices except for the friends and workers. That isn't to say that every worker and every friend at all times never makes a mistake. So we have to forgive and let the past be the past. I deeply believe you should contact the workers and attempt to make things right again before it's too late. God will forgive and bless. Where did you get the idea that she was dwelling on the past. She's simply stating what happened to her. And why on earth should she contact the workers and "make things right?" That's just bizarre, in my opinion. What, exactly, needs to be made right? Sounds like she's doing fine.
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Post by juliette on Mar 20, 2009 9:22:11 GMT -5
Buzybee It is now 45 years since i found myself outside of the fellowship because I could no longer beleive they were the only ones right. I am now 75 and still think every week about someone still there. I dont need more than one hand to count those who visited me when I left and no workers ever did. They are mostly good people but so judgemental and gosep keeps them all in check. Today I live a quiet life not unlike when I was amember although I enjoy a drink and the TV. What I have never realy got over is they way they cut me off and they had it all wrong on what the reason was. My parents left in their 70's and died peacefully. Unlike a lot writting here I dont count myself as a christian because I saw a biger picture and wondered about other christian churches, moslems, jews, hindus and buddas. So I see jesus as a prophat and the bible as a record of many lives and great teachings. I live in Australia and would welcome direct contact by email with any ex member who is interested as afriend because our background means we have something in common. Maggsmagpie Wish you lived in MN, USA! I'd love to have a cup of coffee with you! Feel free to e-mail at julistucker@earthlink.net.
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Post by MsMarie on Apr 13, 2009 3:41:18 GMT -5
Drifting to the place of belief that Jesus is just a prophet and not the Son of God is hardly an improvement. Or am I alone in this view?
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Post by eyedeetentee on Apr 17, 2009 12:47:00 GMT -5
What is said when a lady talk to another about having to wear a dress is this. The other lady(worker) says I just feel like the spirit moves me to wear dresses. And really what that implys is that the spirit is not moving me. It's very subtle and happens alot where people defend their actions because they say they feel that they are moved to do things that way. I'm not saying they are or not but it leaves the other person feeling like they are somehow not only wrong, but don't have the right spirit. This is a hard topic because it gets into blasphemy too. Taking Brick's last word (and my thoughts on the subject) one step further, conviction is all that matters in that circumstance. If it convicts you, don't do it; unless you feel the urge to push the envelope. Your convictions may come from some spirit, parental teachings, society, a book you read, etc. If you feel convicted about taking something that does not belong to you, don't do it. If you feel convicted about reading porn, don't do it. If you feel convicted about living in the U.S., move. Peope have their own convictions for their own reasons. What may convict you may not convict your twin sister/brother or the gal around the corner. And some of us do not pay attention to our convictions; we rewrite them.
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Post by moralityagain on Jun 21, 2009 10:40:41 GMT -5
The secret here is just having a faith that questions not and daring to be like Daniel and stuff like that. Wearing clothes that are not what is liked by the workers is always a problem. So are hair styles and what things you do for fun. Now, God does not like fun much and it is important to just stop having fun whenever you find yourself doing any of it. It is not true joy really and it is just fun. True joy involves just being unhappy and not able to do what others do all the time and just sitting around and reading the Bible a lot and saving money to give to the workers when they come to visit you. Course if you get to wearing the wrong clothes and having any fun they won't come see you which will save you a lot of money after that. Well the Bible is what King James wanted to say mostly and he had a prblem involving most of the religion money in England going off to Italy. So he had a Bible made made up in English and it said what he wanted it to say. Of course that was a long time ago and he was able to start up the Church of England with his new Bible and sort of cut off the money leaving the country that way. I think Christmas was sort of shut down for a while as far as gift giving and things because it cuts down considerably on the money that people have to give to the church. You see, if you spend it on gifts for your family they don't get to have it which is a problem. Same with the old TV and Radio problems way back. A TV used to cost maybe 3 or 4 hundred back in the 50's even and that was a lot of money that the preachers would not get. So, it was a good idea for them to just say that TV was evil and God didn't like radios. Besides that, preachers were on there and you could send them some money and be saved right from the comfort of your armchair. And, they might send you some annointing oil or a healing cloth or whatever for only a few bucks. Well, these were bucks that were not going to come back to the only true way and the "Truth". Now, if God did not want us to have TV he would not have allowed the guy from Idaho who was a Mormon to invent the idea of how it would work. I have heard preaching against people buying boats which would cause them to go boating on Sunday instead of being in meetings handing over their money to workers (or at least that is my best guess). I have heard skiing in the winter preached against. Same old thing. Now, the love of money is supposed to be the root of all evil. What I will propose here is that you send all your money to me and then you will not have any of it to love. This will prevent you from experiencing any evil you see and it is really the only way I can help to save your soul. I will try to get some accounts set up and get a bigger wallet and then will let you know how to send me your money . If you have ideas of fun things to do and vacations to take and everything like that then just realize that I am here to save you and help you learn to suffer in silence and give up your all for the Lord and stuff like that. I will just use your money to spread my message about not having and gift giving and holidays and vacations and things and about how others can learn to just give their money to me. That way they can have no money to love and will be saved from the root of all evil too. You want that for your friends and relatives and even people you don't know in far away places right? So, I will use your money to buy plane tickets and go there to try to get their money too and help to save them. If you would like to follow me and learn to relieve people of their money and tell them any old stuff we think up you can let me know. Of course I would like to be the head overseer of this and sort of have you give the money to me so that I can give it to God since his printing press is not working too well anymore and he needs to have lots of money that is made here on earth. That way we can serve the people and help them to get away from the root of all evil and we will just take the vacations for them and travel a lot and eat other peoples food and live in their houses so we don't have to spend anything on that regular old junk. But first we need a name for ourselves that sounds really Godly or something. How about "The Only True Way"? That way everyone else will automatically be false and we can get the money a lot easier and just spread our message all over the place and just tell others to not have holidays and spend money on fun things because we will do that for them.
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Post by shushy on Jun 21, 2009 13:36:08 GMT -5
LOL@morality.....you missed your vocation. You should be on the stage. Spoken like a twisted lemon. Well done!!
Or link up with eyedeetentee and join the company.
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Post by ann on Jun 21, 2009 14:16:26 GMT -5
shushy - this board seldom gives me a laugh but your "twisted lemon" comment is priceless! Thanks for the chuckle. ann
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Post by moralityagain on Jun 22, 2009 2:08:42 GMT -5
Well, thanks for naming me the "Twisted Lemon". I am proud to be called that and lemons are really good for putting on fish and of course two fishes are good enough to feed five thousand along with five loaves. Well, I do not like to be called a loafer. So anyway it is nice to be a condiment for the fishes and I am proud to have my juices squeezed onto the fishes to make them edible for the five thousand or whatever. What could be more honorable? So anyway, I accept the honorable position of being the "Twisted Lemon". Thanks so much for bestowing this honor upon me. Now down to brass tacks or brass takes or brass taxies. I am currently interested in converting those who are non convertibles. In other word, their tops are not retractable. If you find yourself in this situation, I will try to help you become a convertible and find the strength from within to retract your tops. Now at first this may seem to be impossible but anything is possible with God on your side. Do not doubt this power. It resides within you and if you seek guidance from God you will finally be able to remove your tops and become true convertibles. Now, what to convert into? Well, you might consider being a skyliner or one of the hardtop convertibles or you might consider becoming a soft top convertible. Anyway, I can maybe help you convert if you are interested. Otherwise you may be one of the hardtops or four doors or something like that and you may not be converted into something more glorious. Anyway, I think that conversion may be important in the spiritual realm and will do whatever I can to help you.
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Post by buzzybee on Jun 26, 2009 17:01:55 GMT -5
wow, ma. Never thought of it that way. When the workers go on visits it's really not to visit, it's to empty out the collection trays kept in the saints pockets. They are always talking about how hard things are.......most have never experienced REAL life.
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Post by moralityagain on Jun 27, 2009 1:41:16 GMT -5
Well, buzzybee, I would like to come to your home and share my message with you then. And I would just like to mention that I really like home made chicken and dumplings and also I like salad made from things like little melon balls and the kind of fluffy dressing from marshmallows and also I like the green bean casserole with little onion bits on top. Then we can sort of sit around and share Bible things. After that I can maybe come in the kitchen and watch you do the dishes and you might like to slip me a few hundred to help further the truth about how I like to eat a lot of good food. And, I like clean sheets and also a glass of water in my room and maybe a dish of candies so I can eat them while I think about what to say on Sunday or Wednesday or whenever I decide to have special meeting or gospel meetings or whatever. Well, just remember the widows mites and how holding out on God is not a good idea. So, just give of your best and give your all if you know what I mean. Also, if you have any cars you can give me to use and pay the insurance on I would like that too. No cheap cars alright. Just drive the old one yourself and so we can show Gods glory to eveyone while I drive your BMW. Then you can be relieved of your money and just take comfort in knowing that you don't have the money to love anymore and that is where it is at. God does not like money and does not want you to be enslaved by it and have to think about it. I will take all that suffering away from you if you will just let me . It is a cross I have to bear but I will just do that for you and use your money to make more money and it will all go toward furthering my making of more money.
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Post by buzzybee on Jun 29, 2009 20:17:14 GMT -5
One time i spent alot of time making the workers who were coming for supper strogenauf(sp?) I was so proud to serve it to them.
About 1 month later one of the sisters told me she was allergic to sour cream. I gasped and said the Strogenauf...... all she did was nod her head.
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Post by sharon on Jun 30, 2009 16:06:14 GMT -5
Buzybee It is now 45 years since i found myself outside of the fellowship because I could no longer beleive they were the only ones right. I am now 75 and still think every week about someone still there. I dont need more than one hand to count those who visited me when I left and no workers ever did. They are mostly good people but so judgemental and gosep keeps them all in check. Today I live a quiet life not unlike when I was amember although I enjoy a drink and the TV. What I have never realy got over is they way they cut me off and they had it all wrong on what the reason was. My parents left in their 70's and died peacefully. Unlike a lot writting here I dont count myself as a christian because I saw a biger picture and wondered about other christian churches, moslems, jews, hindus and buddas. So I see jesus as a prophat and the bible as a record of many lives and great teachings. I live in Australia and would welcome direct contact by email with any ex member who is interested as afriend because our background means we have something in common. Maggsmagpie At 75 I would hope that you could bury the past and look to the future. The Buddhist doctrine and Hindu doctrines teach good moral living and can be applauded for that. The Bible explains the situation with the Jews and Moslems and their relationship to Christians. Other Christian churches have a variety of Biblical teachings that are good, but none closely follow the New Testament practices except for the friends and workers. That isn't to say that every worker and every friend at all times never makes a mistake. So we have to forgive and let the past be the past. I deeply believe you should contact the workers and attempt to make things right again before it's too late. God will forgive and bless. ronhall, I hope someday you'll go live with some people who believe in Jesus Christ as much or more then you do! It will an eye opener..........do they follow the Bible any LESS then the F&W's do? I think you'll have to consider customs and cultures first before any of us can honestly discern that! I think the F&W's are steeped in the "form" of Paul's days and that makes us "Paulines" not Christians and I'm finding that very scary indeed,. There is no wrong in taking Paul's teachings with a grain of salt and perhaps if we all studied the cultures and customs of his day we might get a better idea of what he was trying to teach. I do not believe that Jesus taught much of anything that would not cross over into any culture but I do know Paul, Peter and James all did....they got in a bit squabble themselves over the necessity of circumcision...,.,that was left on record to show us that "form" of religion is not what it is all about at all and I'm getting more and more shocked as I find that is what the generation of workers and some friends are purporting is the "form" of being a F or W! That's sad and I think it loses the very impact the doctrine of Christ and what it should be doing in our hearts! JMO
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Post by sharon on Jun 30, 2009 16:11:34 GMT -5
"NO worker is going to make it right between you and God - NO worker is going to get you to heaven - NO worker is going to be there when you stand before Him. -- We are on the same page here. When we stand before God our only hope is Jesus our intercessor standing with us."
I think Stephen's dying view of Jesus 'standing' welcoming him into heaven is what I want to see! I pray He's interceding for me as I go along because if He isn't then there's going to be a list of things that you all will have to wait on God to go through as far as I'm concerned! I guarantee that! If Christ's blood has bought me favor with God, then I hope to be like Stephen seeing Jesus "standing" and "welcoming" me into heaven!
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Post by sapphire on Jun 30, 2009 19:25:21 GMT -5
I think the F&W's are steeped in the "form" of Paul's days and that makes us "Paulines" not Christians and I'm finding that very scary indeed,. There is no wrong in taking Paul's teachings with a grain of salt and perhaps if we all studied the cultures and customs of his day we might get a better idea of what he was trying to teach. I do not believe that Jesus taught much of anything that would not cross over into any culture but I do know Paul, Peter and James all did....they got in a bit squabble themselves over the necessity of circumcision...,.,that was left on record to show us that "form" of religion is not what it is all about at all and I'm getting more and more shocked as I find that is what the generation of workers and some friends are purporting is the "form" of being a F or W! That's sad and I think it loses the very impact the doctrine of Christ and what it should be doing in our hearts! JMO This is soooo true!! Couldn't have said it better myself!
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Post by stargazer on Jul 1, 2009 0:33:44 GMT -5
I am sorry, Ronhall as regards your post #34 on this thread. The bible does not explain anything about the Muslims. The muslims came to be as a result of Mohammed. b 570 ad. Perhaps that has been pointed out, I didn't look back through all the posts.
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Post by npdw on Jul 1, 2009 8:03:10 GMT -5
Buzybee It is now 45 years since i found myself outside of the fellowship because I could no longer beleive they were the only ones right. I am now 75 and still think every week about someone still there. I dont need more than one hand to count those who visited me when I left and no workers ever did. Why would you leave a group, describe them as judgemental and gossipy and still complain that few of them visited you? Why would you want them to visit? You walked out, didn't you? Why would THEY want to visit, knowing how you view them? Why didn't YOU go visit? On another note, there's no one group that's "right". You don't get into heaven based on what group you belonged to, it's an individual matter, so to leave because you don't believe a group is the only right group is dumb. Make yourself right before God with the help and guidance of His Holy Spirit and that's what matters.
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Post by BackInBlack on Jul 1, 2009 10:48:13 GMT -5
Because you don't want to believe that you belonged to a group that was judgemental and gossipy and complaining is the first response when you find out it is true.
You want them to visit because friendships don't always end when allegiances change. If they knew they were viewed as a friend, they would visit. You don't go visit because you don't feel comfortable, knowing how you are viewed. There is a breakdown in communication because of fear on both sides so, sadly, a friendship is lost.
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Post by ronhall on Jul 1, 2009 15:13:53 GMT -5
I am sorry, Ronhall as regards your post #34 on this thread. The bible does not explain anything about the Muslims. The muslims came to be as a result of Mohammed. b 570 ad. Perhaps that has been pointed out, I didn't look back through all the posts. Technically you are right -- the Bible doesn't mention Mohammed or the Muslims, however they are very quick to mention that they come from Esau the firstborn. This event is given in Genesis chapter 25.
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