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Post by melissa on Dec 17, 2008 7:05:17 GMT -5
Who are the readers on this board?
Why do you read if you never post? It seems most of the posters are from other places?
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Post by Geoff on Dec 18, 2008 7:00:42 GMT -5
I know of three readers who never post, and are not registered. They read for the entertainment.
So your question is a bit like the circus clown asking the audience "How come you never get in the ring and act silly", and them answering "I'm happy just to sit and watch and laugh".
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Post by melissa on Dec 18, 2008 11:12:49 GMT -5
Who cares if my question is like that of a circus clown!! It would be good to hear from readers. To know their views.
Just look how many read the posts and how few are willing to contribute! Surely there are views worth telling....................
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Post by degem on Dec 18, 2008 11:19:07 GMT -5
Maybe some people have a hard time "writing and expressing" their thoughts down. That has happened to me before, that I know what I want to say but just can't put into words.
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Post by otto2 on Dec 19, 2008 4:29:22 GMT -5
Hi melissa, I'm mainland Britain, but I'm trying to withdraw from the board! This is my first post for about 5 weeks now and given that I only joined in August I guess that's a significant absence.
I've just become weary with the whole process. I don't really believe that anyone's view is changed by what they read; each one has their personal agenda and seemingly tries to score points for their position, but I don't feel that anyone's view is substantially changed. Of course I realise that I'm no different in that!
It has been helpful and encouraging to me to find people within the 2x2 system who believe that the body of Christ is much greater than their group, but I'm not sure the board is responsible for that; they would have held that view anyway.
So I'm "away" for now at least! My very first post as a guest commented "I'll try not to get sucked into the squabble"; I failed for a while, but from now my intention is to be occasionally one of your readers, but not neccessarily one of your posters.
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Post by melissa on Dec 19, 2008 11:52:32 GMT -5
Thank for taking the time to reply Otto2. Many share your views, I'm sure.
There have been so many really enlightening and helpful posts from members and exes. To understand how some have come to be exes has helped me to get into perspective some of our passed down beliefs. Helped me to diferentiate between what has been passed down and what i really believe as from conviction.
I see how a person could get "sucked in" and make a quarrel out of different viewpoints, but in the process people mature and begin to see clearly and understand the difference between the false and true.
It would be great if more people of all views and ideology would tell their thoughts. Failing that there are the other boards where people are more open minded.
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Post by Scott Ross on Dec 19, 2008 11:59:38 GMT -5
Hi otto2! It has been helpful and encouraging to me to find people within the 2x2 system who believe that the body of Christ is much greater than their group, but I'm not sure the board is responsible for that; they would have held that view anywayActually, I have found that many of the professing folks that I correspond with have changed how they view people in other churches because of having their eyes opened here on the TMB. They once felt that those they had heard of leaving the fellowship had 'lost out'. Here on the TMB they have read the stories from those people and now know just why they left. They have read and corresponded with some of us who now attend other churches, and see that we are simply fellow Christians that choose to meet with another group of Christians. Many of these folks used to have the exclusive mindset, and now no longer do. The board can be a real eye opener to many who read here, and I have gotten lots of emails from people who have never posted here, but wanted to ask a question of me. I've had a great time meeting others in this manner! There are some really nice folks that are both 'innies' and 'outies' who read here. (there's a few of those other types from both sides of the 2x2 fence also....) Scott
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Post by otto2 on Dec 20, 2008 15:31:12 GMT -5
Thanks for your comments melissa & scott, I find that the older I get, the happier I am to be proved wrong!
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Post by Geoff on Dec 20, 2008 16:47:05 GMT -5
Who cares if my question is like that of a circus clown!! It would be good to hear from readers. To know their views. Just look how many read the posts and how few are willing to contribute! Surely there are views worth telling.................... I agree that it'd be nice to hear from more, but I worded my comment poorly. Their views are worth hearing, but I somehow doubt we'll hear them unfortunately.
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Post by alana on Dec 21, 2008 5:41:27 GMT -5
I read here regularly, but I find the board mostly dull. Except for an occasional interesting item. The other board offers a lot of genuine feeling from more varied perspectives. It is also more anonymous for those who want anonymity. Perhaps.
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Post by Geoff on Dec 21, 2008 7:45:25 GMT -5
Which "other board" is that?
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Post by irvinegrey on Mar 1, 2009 14:07:02 GMT -5
If you are reading this you may also want to visit my website, www.irvinegrey.com. Any useful suggestions or information will be gladly received
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Post by kath123 on May 29, 2009 19:53:26 GMT -5
I am from mainland UK, I read the boards but have only recently joined - I am not part of this cult but know an awful lot about it.
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Post by CherieKropp on Jun 17, 2009 6:48:02 GMT -5
hi, im a new member. i'm from the uk. england/wales. i'm an ex attendee (over ten years out) who has been going to missions over the last year or so and also spent some days at a couple of the english conventions. i'm simply trying to make my mind up in my own good time. i was never given the chance to do so when i was younger. RE: I'm simply trying to make my mind up in my own good time. That's a very good goal: consider the facts, read the Bible and draw a reasoned out conclusion for yourself. Sounds like you were maybe Born and Raised (B&R) in the 2x2 church? How many generations back does your family go in the church? Do they/you believe it is "God's only way" on earth and that one must die in it to get to heaven?? What do you know about the history of the 2x2 church? What books/websites have you read? How did you find this board?
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Post by pablo on Jun 18, 2009 19:44:52 GMT -5
UKer from Hertz, that wouldn't be Herts as in Hertfordshire, would it?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2009 3:41:41 GMT -5
hi, im a new member. i'm from the uk. england/wales. i'm an ex attendee (over ten years out) who has been going to missions over the last year or so and also spent some days at a couple of the english conventions. i'm simply trying to make my mind up in my own good time. i was never given the chance to do so when i was younger. RE: I'm simply trying to make my mind up in my own good time. That's a very good goal: consider the facts, read the Bible and draw a reasoned out conclusion for yourself. Steve That is indeed a very good goal. However unfortunately in the world of religion it is often difficult to determine fiction from facts. Indeed one man’s fact often is another man’s fiction. Take for example the issue of apostolic succession. Some will tell you that this is a myth, a legend, a complete fabrication. Others will swear by it and even produce long lists of genealogies stretching all the way to Switzerland. Or take the resurrection. Some say it actually happened; that a man who was dead and decomposing suddenly revived and then ascended up to heaven in defiance of gravitational laws. OK, they can’t tell you which direction he was heading or what happened to his body or how the laws of physics were reversed but they will insist that doesn’t really matter so long as one believes. Others will claim that the resurrection is merely a myth presented as a fact for the purposes of persuading the unlearned to adopt the (Roman) Christian faith. The thing is that we are all conditioned into believing what we believe whether it’s in relation to God, Santa Clause or the Tooth Fairy. I used to believe that my neighbours were all going to hell because they didn’t meet on a Sunday morning in someone else’s guest chamber. I used to believe that that the church I attended was the only one that stretched back all the way to the beginning. I used to believe that Mary really was a virgin. I used to believe that Edward Cooney really had gone mad. I used to believe that the God who murdered the children of Egypt, who slaughtered the Amalekites and who regularly sent famine and pestilence upon the land actually was a loving God. I used to believe that Tommie Gamble was God’s special servant rather than just a grumpy old man with an obsession with women’s clothes. I used to believe that Adam was brought into the world with a full command of the Hebrew language, that Eve could converse with snakes and that dumb asses could speak. I used to believe that every word in the bible was the word of God. I used to believe all sorts of nonsense. I do wish you well in your search for satisfaction - I stood at the crossroads of Cooneyism too at one time. However remember that the Cooneyites are a bizarre bunch but don’t for a moment believe they have a monopoly on bizarre beliefs. Matt10
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Post by CherieKropp on Jun 22, 2009 6:17:59 GMT -5
Steve: Thanks for your response. RE: " i wish i'd found these sooner really." Many echo this sentiment...it was for this reason that I started TTT - to make information about the 2x2 fellowship more easily assessible. Each chapter in the books Reflections and Reflected Truth published by RIS is by a different author, giving his experience or telling "Why I left meetings..." Most all of them wish they had been told upfront; and feel like they were deceived or betrayed that they weren't. In case you havent found this list of links to 2x2 sites on TTT: www.tellingthetruth.info/home/links.phpThere are also books you can order in the UK and read: www.tellingthetruth.info/brg_guide/books.phpI'll be glad to answer any questions you might have... Best wishes in your quest/search. Cherie
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Post by lin on Jun 24, 2009 21:13:51 GMT -5
We now pause for a message from our sponser!
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Post by fred on Jun 25, 2009 5:08:17 GMT -5
..................... and now another pause while we wait for a message from the opposition.
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Post by irvinegrey on Jun 27, 2009 10:51:41 GMT -5
As most of you know, I am researching the history, sociology and theology of the 2x2s for a Master of Philosophy degree at Queen's University, Belfast. I have concluded that these websites are read by more than will admit to it! Just this week I have gone public with details of this research appearing in various newspapers in Ireland. website: www.irvinegrey.com. All contributions welcomed! irvine@yahoo.co.uk
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Post by irvinegrey on Jun 27, 2009 10:53:26 GMT -5
Incorrect email in my last message: Should read irvinegrey@yahoo.co.uk or irvine@irvinegrey.com. either will get me
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Post by CherieKropp on Jun 27, 2009 19:48:31 GMT -5
Hi Irvine: Exactly what do you mean by "you have gone public? What newspapers mentioned your project? What dates? Can we access the articles on the newspaper's website? The reason I ask is because I try to list the references in the TTT Basic Researchers Guide for all public articles about the 2x2chuch. Thanx, Cherie As most of you know, I am researching the history, sociology and theology of the 2x2s for a Master of Philosophy degree at Queen's University, Belfast. I have concluded that these websites are read by more than will admit to it! Just this week I have gone public with details of this research appearing in various newspapers in Ireland. website: www.irvinegrey.com. All contributions welcomed! irvine@yahoo.co.uk
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Post by Geoff on Jun 30, 2009 8:42:56 GMT -5
The referenced website has very scant info and a broken link.
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Post by ilylo on Jun 30, 2009 10:27:41 GMT -5
The referenced website has very scant info and a broken link. Not just broken... it's not even there.
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Post by Geoff on Sept 18, 2009 8:16:36 GMT -5
Seems strange to write a website (even if its only a few paragraphs) in the third person. It could be misinterpreted as an attempt at being independent.
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