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Post by ilylo on Jan 1, 2009 22:05:41 GMT -5
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White Knight
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Post by White Knight on Jan 1, 2009 22:09:33 GMT -5
"No, I'm just not in the mood to talk to a hypocrite ilylo". now that's not a nice name to call your self.
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Post by White Knight on Jan 1, 2009 22:30:15 GMT -5
Nighty night
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Post by White Knight on Jan 2, 2009 7:35:57 GMT -5
Here is another one for all of you that oppose truth! Where in the hymns or in your testimonies and/ Have you or anyone, worshiped, glorified, or gave in the name of WM Irvine?
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Post by freespirit on Jan 2, 2009 7:57:21 GMT -5
Here is another one for all of you that oppose truth! Where in the hymns or in your testimonies and/ Have you or anyone, worshiped, glorified, or gave in the name of WM Irvine? Cherie posted a hymn written to WI the other day. fs
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Post by ilylo on Jan 2, 2009 8:47:33 GMT -5
We say that we oppose 2x2ism.
You claim that we oppose "truth."
Therefore, in your mind, 2x2ism = truth. How can you call yourself a Christian if your faith is in the 2x2 church?
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Post by freespirit on Jan 2, 2009 9:33:31 GMT -5
Cherie posted a hymn written to WI the other day. fs ~~ Was it written by an ex-2x2?yes. freespirit
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Post by todd on Jan 2, 2009 9:34:00 GMT -5
Cherie posted a hymn written to WI the other day. fs ~~ Was it written by an ex-2x2?My guess is yes. I have only found exes that worshipped man rather than God, and I guess that's why they are now exes. There is no fulfillment in serving man.
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Post by freespirit on Jan 2, 2009 9:38:32 GMT -5
I think Christians are more likely to sing Tell me the Story of Jesus than Tell me the Story of Irvine. JMO.
And, Todd, I agree that there is no fulfillment in serving man. People will drive us crazy.
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Post by Sharon on Jan 2, 2009 10:36:36 GMT -5
I think Christians are more likely to sing Tell me the Story of Jesus than Tell me the Story of Irvine. JMO. And, Todd, I agree that there is no fulfillment in serving man. People will drive us crazy. freespirit How so very true! There is no pleasing any man all the time and very seldom any time!
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Post by Jesse_Lackman on Jan 2, 2009 11:13:38 GMT -5
~~ Was it written by an ex-2x2? My guess is yes. I have only found exes that worshipped man rather than God, and I guess that's why they are now exes. There is no fulfillment in serving man. What's really strange is that some seem to project things like "worshipping man" on all the rest of us, why is that? It is not being fair or honest with one's self to get stuck staring crosseyed at a couple trees and think it's the whole forest. There seems to be less than .5% of the friends, workers, and maybe the same number of exes, that regularly come to boards like TLT, TMB, VOT etc. for discussions. This doesn't mean that discussions shouldn't happen - but that the discussion should be rooted in this big picture point of view. This post from the TLT board seems to illustrate the point, even Daybreak's co-worker identified the writings as emotive and subjective and not representative of the big picture; A co-worker in my office pointed me here...he had found the site [TheLyingTruth] after a comment I made during a brief discussion with him about my beliefs. He mentioned that as he read, he wondered what in the world I'd gotten myself into. But the more he read, and reflected on what he knew of me, the less he could take the writings seriously. There's an obvious mismatch between what is said about the Truth and what he knows from observing my life. tltinfo.proboards51.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=4&page=1#66Google cache -->> here <<. Could this lack of objective perspective be a reason why so few have the desire to participate on these boards? I think so. Think about it, there's around 100 people per day that bother to sign here, and maybe a half dozen per day that bother to sign in on all the other boards combined. Statistically that tiny percentage could be what's called "noise" - like CO2 compared to water vapor as a greenhouse gas.
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Post by Jesse_Lackman on Jan 2, 2009 11:50:27 GMT -5
Jesse Lackman, You've posted the above post AGAIN. Do you have any updated information regarding this particular poster? You seem to have pulled some statistics out of a hat. Can you provide the actual number of professing friends versus the actual number of people who no longer profess in the 2x2 way? It is not being fair or honest with one's self to get stuck staring crosseyed at a couple trees and think it's the whole forest.Uncross you eyes, Jesse. Let's use your numbers, how many people do you think visit these discussion boards every day?
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Post by Jesse_Lackman on Jan 2, 2009 12:41:50 GMT -5
I don't visit TMB for the numbers. That's wierd. I visit to gain a better understanding of the religion I was raised in. I guess you cannot provide any numbers? Can you provide any further information about the poster? Ok. If you look at the information center right now you will see; 1 Staff Member, 67 Members, 397 Guests, 29 Invisible Users That means out of 1437 members about 100 have actually signed in to post or private message. That is about what the TMB runs these days. VOT has 190 members and runs maybe one post every few days. TLT had 25 members maybe a post a week but is in maintence mode now but had very little traffic. 2x2Doctrine has 286 members but has slowed down to maybe a post every couple weeks if that. Friendsandworkers has 70 members and practially no posting. CommonGround has 518 members and two posts per day average (doesn't seem like that's right, it's less.) Worker, Friend and Ex Board (unregistered posting) has maybe one post per week. A bunch of these people (like me) are members on all these boards but lets add them up anyway; 1487 TMB 190 VOT 25 TLT 286 2x2 doctrine 70 Friendsandworkers 518 PMB2058 total, . 8% of the estimated total (on Wiki)Now consider the number of people who actually make the effort to sign and post and/or private message; 100 TMB 10? VOT 0 TLT 6? 2x2 doctrine 6? Friendsandworkers 2 PMB124 total take that x 10 if you want to inflate it good and proper. 1240 .47% of the estimated total (on Wiki)Remember it's likely that more than half of those are exes so that means less than 1/4 of one percent of the friends and workers actively participate on these boards. What's silly is that some think it's honest and rational to extrapolate anything from statistical noise like this into a big picture point of view. Illogical and irrational broad brush extrapolations like we so often see are probably the reason why more freinds and workers don't bother to participate.
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Post by Jesse_Lackman on Jan 2, 2009 13:58:00 GMT -5
Okay, so you have a guess-estimate on some figures. Fine. What is your purpose? If you are honest with yourself, aren't you just trying to prove to yourself that a lot of people really aren't leaving the truth group? It doesn't matter to me who posts on which board, or for how long. Each of us are at a different stage in our journey and have different needs. Hence, the amount of people posting and the longevity of the poster varies. I would like you to post factual information regarding the poster that you keep posting. Do you have that information? Are you hiding ilylo in your skirt? lol Yeah, a guess is when I take the close number x10. What I'm talking about here is how few of the friends and workers participate on these boards and how that reality should enter into the conclusions people make. That would be a rational and logical thing to do. Re Daybreak and his co-worker do you think that it might be reasonable to simply assume they are telling the truth? I think they are because a bunch of my co-workers would feel the same way if they read TLT, VOT et al and tried to match it up with what they see in my life.
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Post by Jesse_Lackman on Jan 2, 2009 16:15:38 GMT -5
Are you hiding ilylo in your skirt? lol I might be single but I don't have a need to hide a man in my skirt. What do you mean? you ask if Ilylo is in my skirt, you accuse Cherie of visiting Ilylo and sharing IP addy's, what's next with your imagination? I was teasing you - ilylo disappeared and you seem to be answering for him. But the rest is strange - where in the world do you get the idea I accused Cherie of visiting ilylo and sharing ip addys?? At every moment in time 99.5% of the friends and workers are not visiting these boards and sites, that's all the information one needs to realise one should be very careful to not inflate what one reads on these boards and sites into the imagination they are an accurate and honest view of the forest.
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Post by Jesse_Lackman on Jan 2, 2009 18:12:21 GMT -5
teasing??? I've heard of 'up your sleeve', but not 'in your skirt', don't you think that is a bit much?? are you a good professin' boy? I'm sorry, that is pretty bad, I really didn't mean it that way, more like hiding ilylo behind your skirt, like teasing you about ilylo and skirts at the same time. The Daybreak post is interesting for the reasons I've stated, no more, no less. take care, Jesse
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Post by lin on Jan 2, 2009 18:25:53 GMT -5
No he's a masked man too. I mean the instigator not Jesse. She is better looking though
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Post by lin on Jan 2, 2009 18:28:44 GMT -5
The instigator is the instigator
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Post by lin on Jan 2, 2009 18:35:47 GMT -5
I didn't say better looking than Jesse. I said better looking than the masked man.
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Post by ilylo on Jan 2, 2009 18:51:16 GMT -5
~~ Was it written by an ex-2x2? My guess is yes. I have only found exes that worshipped man rather than God, and I guess that's why they are now exes. There is no fulfillment in serving man. Well of course, because in your mind there is no such thing as a person outside of your church worshiping God. You're too narrowminded to accept that there are Christians all around you. You're too hateful of those Christians to permit yourself to acknowledge their faith in God. That being the case, that would mean that you are not a Christian since your statements blaspheme the Holy Spirit. And understandably so, since you've already confessed that your faith is in the 2x2 church.
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Post by todd on Jan 2, 2009 19:39:56 GMT -5
A co-worker in my office pointed me here...he had found the site [TheLyingTruth] after a comment I made during a brief discussion with him about my beliefs. He mentioned that as he read, he wondered what in the world I'd gotten myself into. But the more he read, and reflected on what he knew of me, the less he could take the writings seriously. There's an obvious mismatch between what is said about the Truth and what he knows from observing my life. tltinfo.proboards51.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=4&page=1#66Google cache -->> here <<. Could this lack of objective perspective be a reason why so few have the desire to participate on these boards? I think so. Think about it, there's around 100 people per day that bother to sign here, and maybe a half dozen per day that bother to sign in on all the other boards combined. Statistically that tiny percentage could be what's called "noise" - like CO2 compared to water vapor as a greenhouse gas. Jesse, You were VERY conservative with your stats. I have trouble believing that it would be anwhere near as high as 0.5%, but even that figure proves a point. About the mismatch between what is portrayed here, and what is reality... there is a lot of concentration on here of the faults, which is understandable because the people that mostly start the topics are exes. There seems to be a lot of talk about things like divorce and abuse, as if it is common. I think if you had a choice between using the divorce rate/abuse rate of '2x2' or the divorce rate/abuse rate of the entire world population, you would pick the rate of '2x2'. If you looked on these forums though, you would get the impression that there is a lot of it going on. The truth is that it is far less than the entire world average. You are far better off in than out. The trouble is that the exes come here talking about their own experience, and by their own admission, these are the ones that worshipped man and thought they were members of a 'system' rather than serving God, and didn't know what professing meant, and so on, so their own experience is far from how it should have been. You can't help but get the wrong impression portrayed here.
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Post by White Knight on Jan 2, 2009 21:48:00 GMT -5
...yet here you are bickering at your computer. And what are you doing.
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Post by White Knight on Jan 2, 2009 21:51:49 GMT -5
We say that we oppose 2x2ism. You claim that we oppose "truth." Therefore, in your mind, 2x2ism = truth. How can you call yourself a Christian if your faith is in the 2x2 church? IF you haven't noticed most religons go 2x2 even in there service.
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Post by ilylo on Jan 2, 2009 22:01:06 GMT -5
Most? LOL... you must be a Mormon, then.
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Post by ilylo on Jan 2, 2009 22:01:43 GMT -5
...yet here you are bickering at your computer. And what are you doing. Holding up a mirror so you can see your hypocrisy.
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Post by White Knight on Jan 2, 2009 22:20:20 GMT -5
Holding up a mirror so you can see your hypocrisy. Nope you need it more than any one else on the board I'd be careful if I were you looks like that would break any mirror. Now will you stop your hypocrisy, empty the can go get washed so you can see straight, think clearly and simply answer the questions?
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Post by White Knight on Jan 2, 2009 22:23:20 GMT -5
I'd like to continue to spar with you but the day has come to an end good night.
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Post by september on Jan 2, 2009 22:43:59 GMT -5
~~~ In the beginning WI must be humble, godly man if he wasn't Eddy Cooney, Jack Carrol's brothers and sister and some of the Faith Mission worker/preachers would have NOT follow him.
If WI had preached false doctrines a NUT from the start he would not have too many followers!
When I was in the work I heard only good thing about WI... I didn't hear the negative side why he left the work. It is my understanding from other "facts" then what we've been spoonfed that William Irvine was NOT the leader at the very beginning, that there is even questions that there were other men already "workers" before he became one or at least there were other men that simultaneously were workers. However it is true that he forcefully took leadership for a short period of time until others were able to determine his very immorality and gained enough strength in numbers to override him. It was his immorality that got him excommunicated, not his mental deviation as far as spiritual things were concerned. And as an afterthought, medically I'd have to wonder if his mental abberations were not caused by some STD which some are known to cause! And as to Eddie Cooney...he was with the other workers for a lot longer then WI and could have stayed with them, but his biggest problem was he wanted to go wherever the notion took him regardless of where the need was at the moment...thus the other workers were not able to work with him and E. Cooney removed himself and went his own direction. Eddie didn't leave, he was booted out. Fact. He didn't so much go wherever the notion took him but where he felt the Spirit was leading and guiding. It was argued very reasonably at the time that a worker sitting in some room somewhere in March couldn't very well ascertain where there might be a seeking soul in the following Decemeber and so EC thought it best to pray and be guided by the Spirit. The reality is, if the workers couldn't trust in the guidance of the Spirit, then some sort of organisation was required hence the worker's lists, placing pairs in different fields. As for what you mention about the "simultaneous" workers going out at the time WI supposedly formed a new fellowship, that would concur with what my family legend suggests. WI may have had the "revelation" but there were a number instrumental in acting upon it although not all (certainly at least one) could not forsake all due to circumstances but remained very active in the moulding and direction of the fellowship and the two-tier system that is so evident today, was unthinkable then. As for WI's temperment - many of the other workers and elders were terrified of him. He had a pretty violent temper although he did have a dog that used to sit under his seat on the platform at convention so I sometimes think that maybe he had a few good points too.
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