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Post by melissa on Nov 28, 2008 2:13:17 GMT -5
How do we stand before God after having been on the receiving end of so many "judgements" by his followers?
How can we deal with the feelings of resentment because of this?
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Post by Gene on Nov 28, 2008 14:08:44 GMT -5
Separate yourself from those who judge you wrongly. Put them behind you. I know sometimes that cannot be done easily -- sometimes you have to try to put them behind you mentally, while still being near them physically. I don't mean ignore them -- but that part of them that is judging you has to slide off you, past you, without sinking in and disturbing your peace.
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Post by Geoff on Nov 28, 2008 15:16:20 GMT -5
I doubt that this verse quoted actually means that we should not exercise judgement, even judgement on others.
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Post by twitch on Nov 28, 2008 19:50:33 GMT -5
Melissa
Can relate well to the feelings you expressed. A couple of things spring to mind that may be related
1) How important is reputation? I was brought up in an environment where it was deemed pretty important, but I don't think that's true now. If genuinely held that reputation isn't really that important then I think 'judgments' begin not to matter so much.
2) I remember someone saying once, 'when you are misunderstood, just understand that they don't understand ! ' That helped me at the time with various things I was feeling- sometimes my resentment and feelings can rise with a desire to make the other person understand their judgment is incorrect, but in many cases I have to admit that I don't think that, however long we discussed things, they would ever move on from their 'judgment'. In which case, I reckon there is merit in simply 'understanding that they don't understand ' - I believe that can work without having a judgmental spirit in return
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Post by september on Nov 30, 2008 14:38:46 GMT -5
How do we stand before God after having been on the receiving end of so many "judgements" by his followers? How can we deal with the feelings of resentment because of this? I was told by a worker that he had the authority to judge that someone's day of grace had passed, simply because he judges himself every morning. Luckily the person on whom he passed judgement has a very real and personal relationship with God and Christ that the judgement was dismissed as the ravings of a man touched with madness. However, one could be seriously affected by this sort of judgement and if one was unsure of what direction to fall off the fence- whether towards the meetings or towards an alternative place of worship, then the result is most likely to be in favour of the meetings. Fear is not the way to show love and comapssion and I think you'll find that all the judgements mete out by workers or friends prey on fear, not love.
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Post by IllinoisGal on Nov 30, 2008 15:13:52 GMT -5
We must judge many things in life. If we didnt judge and analyze some situations and individuals we could get in to some pretty sticky situations in life.
Not all judgment is bad. Its when we execute it without love is when we get into trouble. Self righteous holier than thou judgment is usually not accompanied by love or done in a loving manner at all.
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Post by september on Nov 30, 2008 17:03:58 GMT -5
We must judge many things in life. If we didnt judge and analyze some situations and individuals we could get in to some pretty sticky situations in life. Not all judgment is bad. Its when we execute it without love is when we get into trouble. Self righteous holier than thou judgment is usually not accompanied by love or done in a loving manner at all. I have no argument with that but I do wonder about judging oneself and then feeling qualified to judge that another's day of grace has passed. I think this goes beyond the remit of any mortal.
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Post by ScholarGal on Dec 1, 2008 13:19:13 GMT -5
What does this phrase mean?
"someone's day of grace has passed"
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Post by Gene on Dec 1, 2008 14:05:32 GMT -5
That means that god called them (they were invited to gospel meetings or had a neighbor professing) but they did not heed the call, and now they're toast.
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Post by september on Dec 1, 2008 17:52:42 GMT -5
That means that god called them (they were invited to gospel meetings or had a neighbor professing) but they did not heed the call, and now they're toast. Nice one Gene! Couldn't have put it better myself. Or in this case the "doomed" disagreed on a point with the worker.
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Post by CherieKropp on Dec 2, 2008 7:49:38 GMT -5
RE the verse "Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again."
I believe that verse is simply stating how human nature works, rather than saying that God will judge us in the same way we judge others (which would not be exercising righteous judgment).
It's a "fact of life" that when we "hit" someone, the instinct of the other person is usually to hit us back. For example: Tommy: "Mama, Johnny hit me. Boo hoo." Mama: "Tommy, what did you do to Johnny?" Tommy: "I only kicked him."
Judgment works that way too. If we are merciful and kind in our judging of others (are respectful of differences, give the benefit of a doubt; wait for further information/proof before denouncing, condemning, complaining, etc.) then others are more prone to be merciful to us in their judgment.
"For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again."
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Post by Geoff on Dec 2, 2008 14:29:38 GMT -5
"...and now they're toast. " the judgment from Judge Gene...
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Post by melissa on Dec 10, 2008 12:36:57 GMT -5
RE the verse "Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again." I believe that verse is simply stating how human nature works, rather than saying that God will judge us in the same way we judge others (which would not be exercising righteous judgment). It's a "fact of life" that when we "hit" someone, the instinct of the other person is usually to hit us back. For example: Tommy: "Mama, Johnny hit me. Boo hoo." Mama: "Tommy, what did you do to Johnny?" Tommy: "I only kicked him." Judgment works that way too. If we are merciful and kind in our judging of others (are respectful of differences, give the benefit of a doubt; wait for further information/proof before denouncing, condemning, complaining, etc.) then others are more prone to be merciful to us in their judgment. "For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again." Thanks Cherie, that is a helpful way to look on those verses. It would be a spiteful, tit- for- tat method, otherwise. How way out is our interpretation of scripture so often, including mine.
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