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Post by more about Jesus on Aug 9, 2008 11:33:11 GMT -5
Could workers please note that people would be glad to hear more about Jesus in meetings, in Gospel meetings, in conventions, at funerals.
Come on Workers!! Out with your Bibles and Bible concordances. Let's hear less collywobble and more true facts about Our Saviour.
Thanks
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Post by Pink unlogged on Aug 9, 2008 17:46:23 GMT -5
Could workers please note that people would be glad to hear more about Jesus in meetings, in Gospel meetings, in conventions, at funerals. Come on Workers!! Out with your Bibles and Bible concordances. Let's hear less collywobble and more true facts about Our Saviour. Thanks A hearty amen.
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Post by kiwi on Aug 9, 2008 17:58:09 GMT -5
Could workers please note that people would be glad to hear more about Jesus in meetings, in Gospel meetings, in conventions, at funerals. Come on Workers!! Out with your Bibles and Bible concordances. Let's hear less collywobble and more true facts about Our Saviour. Thanks Clean the spuds from ya lugs and then you may hear what you is askin of
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Post by degem on Aug 9, 2008 18:08:35 GMT -5
Well that's a new one to me "clean the spuds from ya lugs."
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Post by more about on Aug 10, 2008 13:09:50 GMT -5
We hear so much that Paul said, most of it good. Who are we supposed to be following? Jesus.
If Jesus didn't make an issue of certain things, we don't need to either.
Even Paul said "Follow me in as much as I follow Jesus."
So let's concentrate on the Master and on His words.
Too many "stories"meant to be moving about workers doing this and that, their sacrifice, the cost.
As soon as you start publishing it and proclaiming, it ceases to be sacrifice!! and sounds too much like trumpet blowing. IMHO
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Post by come unto me on Aug 11, 2008 14:38:36 GMT -5
Jesus said"Come unto me all ye who labor and are heavy laden and I will give you rest......"
He did NOT say I will give you an endless list of rules that you must or must not do. ie. No sport to be practised No theatre, cinema, entertainment No TV No partying No fashionable clothes No dancing or merrymaking Long hair only for women Short hair only for men No jewellery or adornment Bore your kids out of their minds every Sunday.
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Post by lets hear more on Aug 11, 2008 14:44:34 GMT -5
Jesus said " Father forgive....................."
He did not say "Blame the exes for having made the mistake of getting a TV!"
He did not say "Excommunicate anyone who is divorced!"
He did not say "Ban anyone who disagrees with you!"
He said "May they all be One. "
He did not say "Donot fellowship with anyone who doesn't think like us!"
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Post by Its true on Aug 11, 2008 16:47:03 GMT -5
We hear so much that Paul said, most of it good. Who are we supposed to be following? Jesus. If Jesus didn't make an issue of certain things, we don't need to either. Even Paul said "Follow me in as much as I follow Jesus." So let's concentrate on the Master and on His words. Too many "stories"meant to be moving about workers doing this and that, their sacrifice, the cost. As soon as you start publishing it and proclaiming, it ceases to be sacrifice!! and sounds too much like trumpet blowing. IMHO It's something that I noticed in all the meetings whether convention or Gospel meeting that there was much promotion of Paul, so much so that one could reasonably ask the question, "In whose name do we meet?" Of course Paul was a Godly man and said for us to follwo him as he followed Christ but the flaw in that is like Chinese Whispers - there is a danger the message could be misinterpreted or diluted. Follw him certainly, but keep your eyes firmly fixed on Jesus.
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Post by Amen amen on Aug 12, 2008 13:12:47 GMT -5
Amen to that.
While Paul had good qualities there is a great danger in following the legalistic ideas that were never a part of Jesus'teaching.
Because of his background he was hung up on some issues, ie. women's role.
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Post by candy on Aug 20, 2008 11:49:36 GMT -5
It is not so much HEARING more about Jesus, good as that is,what is needed are some tangible examples of what Jesus DID, some live evidence before our eyes to remind us and the world in general that HE IS LOVE and all our finger pointing is vain and void.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2008 12:48:31 GMT -5
We've heard much about only preaching Jesus or that Jesus is our only message. That's all very well, but both these claims can be achieved by preaching little or partly about Jesus in all that he said, taught and did.
What we need to hear is Jesus being "wholly" preached in all that he said taught and did.
The workers may be able to justify their claims to preaching "only" Jesus, but that can be very far from preaching "wholly" about Jesus.
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Post by melissa on Aug 22, 2008 23:19:08 GMT -5
Good point.
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Post by otto2 on Aug 23, 2008 5:23:13 GMT -5
Forgive my intrusion into this thread, as I'm not really qualified to comment; not being part of the fellowship, but it seems to me that there are two quite distinct groups within the friends. The one group is totally satisfied with the way things are, and they are quite convinced that they are following the only true way.
The other group are more like yourselves (the previous posters) who recognise that there are innacuracies and inconsistencies in what is being preached, and in years past those people would probably have left; believing they were the only one's who thought like this, but today the plan seems to be to try to change the movement from the inside. Have I got that correct?
If so, why exactly is it that the one's in this latter group do not leave; and find a church that adheres more closely to the teachings of Jesus?
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Post by GoBlue on Aug 23, 2008 8:27:31 GMT -5
Forgive my intrusion into this thread, as I'm not really qualified to comment; not being part of the fellowship, but it seems to me that there are two quite distinct groups within the friends. The one group is totally satisfied with the way things are, and they are quite convinced that they are following the only true way. The other group are more like yourselves (the previous posters) who recognise that there are innacuracies and inconsistencies in what is being preached, and in years past those people would probably have left; believing they were the only one's who thought like this, but today the plan seems to be to try to change the movement from the inside. Have I got that correct? If so, why exactly is it that the one's in this latter group do not leave; and find a church that adheres more closely to the teachings of Jesus? Hello Otto2, As with any classification, it is hard to fit every situation into a 2x2 matrix, as there are various shades of grey. I cannot speak for everyone, but here is how I would shade the boxes (not necessarily in a logical continuum): 1) Totally satisfied, exclusive and unaware of any issues. 2) Mostly satisfied, exclusive and peripherally aware of a few issues. 3) A group that is dissatisfied with the issues but still exclusive. Believe the issues indicate we are living in the end times and God is using these to show who the real believers are. Talk about "the way is perfect, but the people aren't" 4) Dissatisfied, non-exclusive and try to change the group. 5) No expectations of being satisfied by any fellowship group and do not have any expectations any more of changing our fellowship but feel convicted by God to remain in the fellowship for whatever reason and quite often enjoy "supplemental" fellowship with others outside of this group. 6) Dissatisfied, non-exclusive and leave to fellowship elsewhere. 7) Not real believers, and may or may not leave the group. 8) A potential group for satisfied and non-exclusive and have no desire to change the group even though they are aware of issues. I'm in #5 at the moment. I started in #1 and proceeded through 2, 3, 4 and now #5. I do not think people stay long in #4 as it is a frustrating place to be and I haven't seen any results. Think of workers in that category and how long they last. Anybody else have a different or better classification system?
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Post by otto2 on Aug 23, 2008 10:18:42 GMT -5
Thanks for your reply GoBlue; that's an excellent classification system, I'd no idea it was so complex. It helps me understand where people are "at" when I read what they've posted.
Until recently I assumed everyone was in group 1, and it's been quite a shock to discover that's not even remotely true.
My parents would like to present themselves as being in group1, but I think they're actually in group 2.
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Post by lovejoy on Aug 23, 2008 18:36:48 GMT -5
One reason that seeing people do not exit as soon as eyes are opened is that family ties are strong and the whole issue of belonging affects the whole of life. It is not just a church. It is a way of life.
Many genuinely hope to change the wrong thinking. The change in thinking that has taken place in recent years regarding peripherals lends credence to the idea that change is possible.
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Post by theophilia on Aug 25, 2008 11:03:26 GMT -5
Like Islam?
Christianity is supposed to be a whole way of life; but, I do indeed 'amen' your point that with such a tight-knit group as the 2x2's, leaving could be difficult, infact, painful, as it is for many Muslims who find New Life in the Lord Jesus. Perhaps if 2x2's were more open to doctrinal discussion in general (talking of GoBlue's 'category 1's' here) then change would be more viable than it is.
In Him,
Theophilia
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Post by learnedaboutgrace on Aug 29, 2008 0:05:41 GMT -5
I like GoBlues classificatin list also...I knew there were "different" levels, people at different places but it is helpful to be able to visually be able to categorize.
What about categories for those who have left?
One of my sisters was (and still is) very I don't want to know any of the bad things that have happened/are happening. I just want to go on in my little make believe world and not acknowledge anything.
Another sister is very "so why is this stuff even important to you? You left so many years ago?"
I am more "this was a huge part of the way we were raised, a huge part of HOW we were raised and it really was expected to be our whole life" How can can they (other siblings) seem not have any interest in any of the background?
All of us are exes.
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Post by rjs on Sept 4, 2008 6:46:07 GMT -5
It's something that I noticed in all the meetings whether convention or Gospel meeting that there was much promotion of Paul,
****** Actually I hear more from the old Testament than the new. Makes me wonder if some workers are following the Old Law. When you try to spiritualize certain old Testament passages, you can often distort the point of the scripture.
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Post by deirdre on Sept 4, 2008 9:51:26 GMT -5
Agree with you, rjs. And in case there was spoken about Jesus, it was about the teacher Jesus, and not the Saviour Jesus Christ....
I'm an ex, taking responsibility for her faith, knowing that no christian fellowship ever can save her, only Jesus Christ, the Lord of her life.
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Post by theophilia on Sept 14, 2008 18:53:26 GMT -5
Deirdre,
Amen.
In Him,
Theo
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