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Post by rational on Jun 30, 2013 8:20:15 GMT -5
Yes, education for the workers, parents, and children is the way forward. How should that be done and whose responsibility is it? This is not a religious/spiritual issue. It is a criminal issue. Placing any individual above suspicion is an issue. But it is important not to raise children to be fearful of people. Children are already losing out on independent and imaginative play because many are never allowed to be alone and explore their environment. I ride through our neighborhood and rarely see children playing outside by themselves. The media has done a great job in creating an atmosphere where parents believe that is their child is out of their sight for any length of time they will be molested. Read the fears about children being molested at convention. It is true some have. But is it something to be feared or something to be aware of? Think about growing up - personally I was away from the house in the morning until the bell rang for lunch. And then out again until it was time for supper. Was it safer then? Nope.
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Post by fixit on Jun 30, 2013 17:20:51 GMT -5
Yes, education for the workers, parents, and children is the way forward. How should that be done and whose responsibility is it? This is not a religious/spiritual issue. It is a criminal issue. That doesn't answer the question. I agree with you that education for the workers, parents, and children is the way forward. I think the best way for that to happen would be for overseers to get together and acknowledge there is a problem. From there, one strategy would be to write a pastoral letter to all elders and ask them to inform those in their meeting. Another strategy would be for overseers to get their staff up to speed and ask them to inform the friends in the field as they go around. Overseers got together to create a new hymnbook in the 1980s so there's no excuse for not dealing with an issue as important as child sexual abuse.
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Post by fixit on Jun 30, 2013 17:28:30 GMT -5
Without education, there is a real downside if children are taught not to trust people. They need to be taught not to fear the person but to reject and report to trusted adults acts with which they are not comfortable or have been told are wrong. This raises a problem because many times the abusers are the trusted adults in the child's life. I hear you RAT. This is well said: They need to be taught not to fear the person but to reject and report to trusted adults acts with which they are not comfortable or have been told are wrong.
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Post by rational on Jun 30, 2013 18:03:17 GMT -5
This is not a religious/spiritual issue. It is a criminal issue. That doesn't answer the question. It doesn't answer the question regarding who should educate the adults and children but it does point out who should not educate them. Good. Now if parents will let sex education be taught in school, starting at an early age, children can learn what is and is not acceptable and also learn the correct terms for their body parts. It is not a religious problem. Get the authorities involved who deal with criminals and criminal behavior. Involve professional educators.How would overseers get their staff up to speed? Can you see overseers explaining bodily functions to children? How many would be competent to do that? Why is this an overseer issue? Would you go to the overseers to address an issue of theft? The education I was referring to was not telling people they are mandated reporters, although that is required. It is teaching children and adults about sex. It is getting adults to feel comfortable talking to their children about their bodies. It is teaching children that they have the right to say "No!" to anyone and providing them with responsible adults to report to without fear of being ridiculed or punished. Personally, I don't see this happening quickly. Sex is still a big taboo for many. How many 4 year old children know the actual names of their body parts? If parents are not willing to tell children what their body parts are names how many will go into the detail needed so children will know and report the first hint of abuse? The first time Uncle Fred pulls Jane into his lap and says they are going to play a secret game, Jane should be discussing that adventure with Mom and Dad no matter what Fred said.
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Post by fixit on Jun 30, 2013 18:38:13 GMT -5
The first time Uncle Fred pulls Jane into his lap and says they are going to play a secret game, Jane should be discussing that adventure with Mom and Dad no matter what Fred said. I agree. If you had an axe murderer on the rampage in your neighborhood, would you sit back and wait for the police to deal with it or should the neighbors educate one another on keeping themselves safe? In the fellowship and ministry we have child sexual offenders taking advantage of the ignorance and denial that is part of our professing culture. That culture needs to change, and I don't believe we should sit back and wait for the school system to educate our children or for the police to find the offenders.
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Post by rational on Jun 30, 2013 21:42:11 GMT -5
The first time Uncle Fred pulls Jane into his lap and says they are going to play a secret game, Jane should be discussing that adventure with Mom and Dad no matter what Fred said. I agree. If you had an axe murderer on the rampage in your neighborhood, would you sit back and wait for the police to deal with it or should the neighbors educate one another on keeping themselves safe? Ask the people who deal with criminals about this. Should citizens take the law into their own hands? Is this true? Do you know of any cases? Or you simply assuming it is true and at some point it will come out? The sad truth is that determining who is an abuser before they abuse is not an easy (or even possible) task. I am not sure what your solution is to identify offenders in advance.
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Post by standsbyriver on Oct 4, 2018 7:08:49 GMT -5
Jean I have searched for you on Facebook for yrs and always thought about you and wondered if you were ok I am glad you have gotten help and are doing ok Hugs
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Thank You
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Post by Grant on Oct 4, 2018 13:04:42 GMT -5
Does anyone know how Jean is doing?
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