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Post by Tech Help on Aug 27, 2006 20:38:13 GMT -5
WARNING - WARNING - WARNING
Short version:
If you value your privacy and anonymity as you browse the Internet regarding the Truth religion, please take care to avoid the Reaching Together Website (reachingtogether.forum.org).
Long version:
On August 27, 2006, 7:45pm (TMB time), someone in an administrative position at the Reaching Together Website (hereinafter referred to as RTW) demonstrated their willingness to violate the privacy and anonymity of a TMB user.
The TMB user had copied information from the RTW and posted it to the TMB, which is something the RTW administrator did not like. After a little investigative work on the RTW, the RTW administrator then posted to the TMB as guest “IP monitor” to the following 3 threads:
Worker's list: New York and New England USA Worker's list: Oregon USA 2006-7 Worker's list: Indiana and Illinois US
The first reply (which is the second post) to each thread was written by the RTW administrator. In each reply, the RTW administrator revealed the IP Address of the TMB user. (Note: Once the TMB administrator discovers this, he may modify or delete the posts referenced above so if you don’t see the IP Address, this is the likely explanation.)
So how did the RTW administrator get the TMB user’s IP Address? The answer is simple. The TMB user visited the RTW. When an Internet user visits a website, their IP Address is revealed to the administrator of that website. The TMB administrator doesn’t reveal this information. The RTW administrator does reveal this information, as documented above.
If you value your privacy and anonymity as you browse the Internet regarding the Truth religion, please take care to avoid the Reaching Together Website (reachingtogether.forum.org).Sincerely, Tech Help
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Post by Kathy Braun on Aug 27, 2006 20:50:54 GMT -5
Childish
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Post by Me2 on Aug 27, 2006 21:56:05 GMT -5
Childish Yes, it most certainly was but I see the administrator of this board has changed the ip address revealing posts. Thanks admin!
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Post by Brick on Aug 28, 2006 9:03:38 GMT -5
I still don't get it.
I visit a web site. Admin sees that I accessed a specific page/document on their site. How can they tell that I copied the info? The only thing that I can figure is that a person accessed their web pages, copied the info, posted it on TMB, and NO ONE ELSE VISITED THE PAGE near the time that the info was posted to TMB. That way there is circumstantial evidence that the info was posted by someone who visited RTW during that time frame. I did browse their site (couldn't resist) and it doesn't look like it has a lot of traffic. That would make it easy if only one user accessed the data on the day they were posted on TMB.
By the way, I didn't post the workers lists. I was only speaking hypothetically.
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Post by Come on Folks on Aug 28, 2006 9:49:22 GMT -5
Before you go off and blame the administrator, think about this:
Anyone who is registered on this site can gain access to the IPs of most who visit this site, to post or even just to read.
If you are worried about your IP, don't visit the site.
Or, use a proxy.
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Post by Tech Help on Aug 28, 2006 10:47:09 GMT -5
I visit a web site. Admin sees that I accessed a specific page/document on their site. How can they tell that I copied the info? The only thing that I can figure is that a person accessed their web pages, copied the info, posted it on TMB, and NO ONE ELSE VISITED THE PAGE near the time that the info was posted to TMB. That way there is circumstantial evidence that the info was posted by someone who visited RTW during that time frame. I did browse their site (couldn't resist) and it doesn't look like it has a lot of traffic. That would make it easy if only one user accessed the data on the day they were posted on TMB. Brick, you're pretty close. If a visitor to a website visits three pages (of many hundred) then minutes later the contents of those three pages end up on a competing website, the source website has strong circumstantial evidence to work with. Low traffic on the source website serves to turn this circumstantial evidence into a smoking gun.
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Post by Tech Help on Aug 28, 2006 10:53:22 GMT -5
Before you go off and blame the administrator, think about this: Anyone who is registered on this site can gain access to the IPs of most who visit this site, to post or even just to read. If you are worried about your IP, don't visit the site. Or, use a proxy. With all due respect sir, you are either ignorant of how this board works, or you are employing scare tactics hoping to scare people away. Only the TMB administrator can do what you say, and as of yet, he has not demonstrated a willingness to do so.
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Post by Come on Folks on Aug 28, 2006 10:58:26 GMT -5
With all due respect Madam, I'm not a Sir.
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Post by Tech Help on Aug 28, 2006 11:12:02 GMT -5
With all due respect Madam, I'm not a Madam. Please accept my humble apologies for making an assumption earlier about your gender. Sincerely, Tech Help
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Post by Brick on Aug 28, 2006 11:18:07 GMT -5
To Come on Folks Could you explain how a person, other than an admin, can view my IP source and how to use a proxy server.
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Post by 2 Brick on Aug 28, 2006 15:59:39 GMT -5
I think the earlier poster was correct about *come on folks*.
She is ignorant. Or she's just wanting to scare people away.
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Post by check my IP on Aug 28, 2006 17:19:17 GMT -5
Anyone who is registered on this site can gain access to the IPs of most who visit this site, to post or even just to read. Really? Tell me...what's my IP number? I'm curious why you included the word "most" in your comment.
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Post by sowht on Aug 28, 2006 17:25:22 GMT -5
As stated on another thread, the IP doesn't mean much if you are using Dial Up as compared to High Speed Cable. With cable, your ISP is the same all the time. With Dial up, it changes every time you leave the internet and come back on. All it tells is the routing like a long distance phone call.
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Post by callin u out on bs on Aug 28, 2006 17:34:04 GMT -5
As stated on another thread, the IP doesn't mean much if you are using Dial Up as compared to High Speed Cable. With cable, your ISP is the same all the time. With Dial up, it changes every time you leave the internet and come back on. All it tells is the routing like a long distance phone call. This is bu llshit! You might wanna learn the diff between ISP and IP. ISP doesn't change on dial-up or cable. IP can matter whether your used cable or dial up.
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Post by recentarriver on Aug 28, 2006 17:34:06 GMT -5
Thank you Tech Help for your help on this TMB. I feel in need of lots of help including technical stuff. (How about a reference book "TMB Use for Dummies" I'm not sure how to do the frills available like underlining, smiles,etc.) Appreciate your post and that you took the time to help.
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Post by nonono on Aug 28, 2006 17:36:11 GMT -5
oh yeah? then show me a dial up isp that will provide me with service that'll let me change my isp every time i connect!
get a clue ISP != IP Addy
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Post by tellsackett on Aug 28, 2006 22:33:57 GMT -5
You folks really want to fight about this here isp # and dial up stuff; then I spose it's a fight you'all'l get; I'm not one to look for trouble, but fer sum reason trubble likes to look for me and I won't go outta my way to avoid it, if thats what trouble wants.
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Post by Aaaaaaah nutz on Aug 28, 2006 22:48:07 GMT -5
Oh great, here come the trolls.
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Post by tellsackett on Aug 28, 2006 22:52:35 GMT -5
Oh great, here come the trolls. I ain't no troll and I don't like bridges so I don't go under them and set a spell, waiting for billy goats. And I didn't write bla bla bla. So stick to yer guns and I'll stick to mine, and we'll git along jes fine. If'n you want a fight, mister then you got one comin' on strong, fer them is fightin' words if I ever saw 'em. So let's git down to sum serious talk here, now you take that there gun and you set it on the board for all the see and I do think you look a little peaked like you could use some broth or and hot toddy or something of the like. Likely, it's that your ma did not give you enough whuppin's growin' up and you has become plumb spoilt from the stale water they have in your country.
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Post by Donald on Aug 29, 2006 6:45:10 GMT -5
The problem is that there are those who are ignorant but fail to realize it and in so doing mock those who actually do understand how the world works.
I posted (as Come on) a warning that the IP of posters and readers could be easily determined by any registered user. I did it as a service to those who labor under the false understanding that only the administrator can see IPs.
Here are the collected responses from the truly ignorant posters:
She is ignorant. Or she's just wanting to scare people away.
With all due respect sir, you are either ignorant of how this board works, or you are employing scare tactics hoping to scare people away. Only the TMB administrator can do what you say, and as of yet, he has not demonstrated a willingness to do so.
Really? Tell me...what's my IP number? I'm curious why you included the word "most" in your comment.[/quote]
It seems like only Brick has the common sense to realize that perhaps he/she could learn something.
I used the word 'most' because I can envision measures that people can take that would make in impossible for me or even the administrator to know the IP.
As to the easy method: 1) Register as a user. 2) Add an Avatar URL from a site you control 3) Look at the logs and see who has accessed the Avatar URL
This actually provides more information that the administrator of this site has access to since it tracks the IP of readers as well as posters.
Don't you feel silly for mocking and calling me ignorant?
Who could do this?
For example, Stewart Hogg in Pennsylvania could look at the IP and access time of everyone who reads this thread because Kathy Braun stores her avatar on his site.
Edgar Massey can see the IP of anyone who views any thread that has Edgar's photo, Ilylo's avatar, or any of the posts that contain images that are linked to THELYINGTRUTH.NET.
I could be registered (perhaps under a few names) and have a transparent 1x1 pixel GIF image as my avatar and be collecting IPs as you read this. By changing the name of the GIF file, I could get a complete record of who looked at what thread at what time. It is a simple matter to match the posting times with the log files on a board like this where the posting is not very frequent.
Did you ever wonder why there are some posts by registered users that don't seem to make sense but are reposted on every page of some discussions? A good way to be sure that every time the page loads the image will be requested from the 'spy' server and the IP will be recorded.
Am I doing this? Nope - I really don't care who any of you are unless you care to make it known.
This is not posted as a scare tactic. It is the reality. People should know all the risks and possibilities and make up their own minds.
As far as using a proxy - that is another lesson.
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Post by Donald on Aug 29, 2006 6:49:00 GMT -5
Thank you Tech Help for your help on this TMB. I feel in need of lots of help including technical stuff. It seems you might want to look into the accuracy of 'Tech Help's" response.
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Post by Admimistrator on Aug 29, 2006 11:50:37 GMT -5
So does registering as “admn” somehow make him more credible?
I chose this name to help make a point. I’m not the administrator.
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Post by Point taken on Aug 29, 2006 12:43:55 GMT -5
So does registering as “admn" somehow make him more credible? I chose this name to help make a point. I’m not the administrator. The name a poster uses is not the issue. The validity of a post is not contingent on the name of the poster. I registered that name more than 3 years ago for reasons that have nothing to do with this discussion or even the word administrator. It is a coincidence. Back to the point - the method I posited will cause the IP and other information of people reading these messages to be recorded in log files of the server that hosts the image(s) posted. If anyone can suggest a reason why this is not the case I would be very interested.
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Post by Sorry wrong answer on Aug 29, 2006 13:08:16 GMT -5
The problem is that there are those who are ignorant but fail to realize it and in so doing mock those who actually do understand how the world works. I posted (as Come on) a warning that the IP of posters and readers could be easily determined by any registered user. I did it as a service to those who labor under the false understanding that only the administrator can see IPs. Here are the collected responses from the truly ignorant posters: She is ignorant. Or she's just wanting to scare people away. With all due respect sir, you are either ignorant of how this board works, or you are employing scare tactics hoping to scare people away. Only the TMB administrator can do what you say, and as of yet, he has not demonstrated a willingness to do so. Really? Tell me...what's my IP number? I'm curious why you included the word "most" in your comment. It seems like only Brick has the common sense to realize that perhaps he/she could learn something. I used the word 'most' because I can envision measures that people can take that would make in impossible for me or even the administrator to know the IP. As to the easy method: 1) Register as a user. 2) Add an Avatar URL from a site you control 3) Look at the logs and see who has accessed the Avatar URL This actually provides more information that the administrator of this site has access to since it tracks the IP of readers as well as posters. Don't you feel silly for mocking and calling me ignorant? Who could do this? For example, Stewart Hogg in Pennsylvania could look at the IP and access time of everyone who reads this thread because Kathy Braun stores her avatar on his site. Edgar Massey can see the IP of anyone who views any thread that has Edgar's photo, Ilylo's avatar, or any of the posts that contain images that are linked to THELYINGTRUTH.NET. I could be registered (perhaps under a few names) and have a transparent 1x1 pixel GIF image as my avatar and be collecting IPs as you read this. By changing the name of the GIF file, I could get a complete record of who looked at what thread at what time. It is a simple matter to match the posting times with the log files on a board like this where the posting is not very frequent. Did you ever wonder why there are some posts by registered users that don't seem to make sense but are reposted on every page of some discussions? A good way to be sure that every time the page loads the image will be requested from the 'spy' server and the IP will be recorded. Am I doing this? Nope - I really don't care who any of you are unless you care to make it known. This is not posted as a scare tactic. It is the reality. People should know all the risks and possibilities and make up their own minds. As far as using a proxy - that is another lesson. Well this sounds good... or at least it does until you think about it a little. Think about all the factors in play. Suppose for a moment that you wanted to pull this off. The volume of traffic on this board will net you hundreds of IP addresses in a 24 hour period. Many will be bogus, from proxies, search engine hits, search engine bots, spam bots, data mining bots, etc. Many will be a moving target (dynamic). Then many you expect to see will be absent, thanks to browser cache (not to be underestimated here), and registered users who have turned off “show avatar” in their user profile. Your data is biased, incomplete, and unreliable. What a mess. If you think you’re gonna get anything meaningful out of this mess, you’re on crack. You might as well get your IP addresses from a random number generator. Pull all the browser cache fooling stunts you can think of and do all the cross referencing you want, isolating a single occasionally posting user is gonna drive you mad and waste buckets of time.
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Post by o good god on Aug 29, 2006 13:35:33 GMT -5
The problem is that there are those who are ignorant but fail to realize it and in so doing mock those who actually do understand how the world works. I posted (as Come on) a warning that the IP of posters and readers could be easily determined by any registered user. I did it as a service to those who labor under the false understanding that only the administrator can see IPs. Here are the collected responses from the truly ignorant posters: She is ignorant. Or she's just wanting to scare people away.With all due respect sir, you are either ignorant of how this board works, or you are employing scare tactics hoping to scare people away. Only the TMB administrator can do what you say, and as of yet, he has not demonstrated a willingness to do so.Really? Tell me...what's my IP number? I'm curious why you included the word "most" in your comment.
It seems like only Brick has the common sense to realize that perhaps he/she could learn something.
I used the word 'most' because I can envision measures that people can take that would make in impossible for me or even the administrator to know the IP.
As to the easy method: 1) Register as a user. 2) Add an Avatar URL from a site you control 3) Look at the logs and see who has accessed the Avatar URL
This actually provides more information that the administrator of this site has access to since it tracks the IP of readers as well as posters.
Don't you feel silly for mocking and calling me ignorant?
Who could do this?
For example, Stewart Hogg in Pennsylvania could look at the IP and access time of everyone who reads this thread because Kathy Braun stores her avatar on his site.
Edgar Massey can see the IP of anyone who views any thread that has Edgar's photo, Ilylo's avatar, or any of the posts that contain images that are linked to THELYINGTRUTH.NET.
I could be registered (perhaps under a few names) and have a transparent 1x1 pixel GIF image as my avatar and be collecting IPs as you read this. By changing the name of the GIF file, I could get a complete record of who looked at what thread at what time. It is a simple matter to match the posting times with the log files on a board like this where the posting is not very frequent.
Did you ever wonder why there are some posts by registered users that don't seem to make sense but are reposted on every page of some discussions? A good way to be sure that every time the page loads the image will be requested from the 'spy' server and the IP will be recorded.
Am I doing this? Nope - I really don't care who any of you are unless you care to make it known.
This is not posted as a scare tactic. It is the reality. People should know all the risks and possibilities and make up their own minds.
As far as using a proxy - that is another lesson.What a load of SH1T theres so much paranoid SH1T here i don't know where to start i'll let this do- ROFLMAO HELL NO
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Post by junia on Aug 29, 2006 16:21:29 GMT -5
I have only one comment regarding the above topic.
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Post by check my IP on Aug 29, 2006 17:16:51 GMT -5
to admn
We might not know as much about the internet as you... but this we do know with certainty: you're a jerk.
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Post by Please explain on Aug 29, 2006 18:48:47 GMT -5
to admn We might not know as much about the internet as you... but this we do know with certainty: you're a jerk. Someone stated that only the administrator of this site could see IPs. I explained that was incorrect and virtually anyone could discover IPs in a very simple way. I explained the way it could be done and by so doing provided a way people could protect themselves if they wished (disable the display of avatars and images in their profile). Instead of telling people incorrect things I told the truth. Yet you have arrived at the conclusion that I am a jerk. I wonder if you could explain the logic of your conclusion.
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