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Post by apple on May 14, 2011 14:05:52 GMT -5
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Post by StAnne on May 14, 2011 14:10:11 GMT -5
No. Holiness.
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Post by apple on May 14, 2011 14:12:39 GMT -5
It could be. I'm wondering if they are Two by Twos someone might recognise them.
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Post by StAnne on May 14, 2011 14:13:51 GMT -5
(sorry. just joking around. see, it really isn't all that special after all. others also observe similar codes of dress/style.)
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Post by StAnne on May 14, 2011 14:14:11 GMT -5
It could be. I'm wondering if they are Two by Twos someone might recognise them. Perhaps so.
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Post by sharonw on May 14, 2011 14:31:04 GMT -5
The older lady looks familiar but then it is a common look between long hair legalistic believers.
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Post by apple on May 14, 2011 14:43:56 GMT -5
The older lady looks familiar but then it is a common look between long hair legalistic believers.
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Post by greatfull2010 on May 14, 2011 15:40:55 GMT -5
They do look peaceful and serene possibly with a hint of boredom showing. If you are an exclusive 2x2 thinker then they must be 2x2 ers because of the look. For the exclusives it could be horrifying to think a worldly organized religion has stolen your trademark look. If you are non exclusive or an outsider then you might say otherwise.
The guy with the pot belly looks like me but it can't be cos that's not my wife sitting next to him.
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Post by apple on May 14, 2011 16:06:13 GMT -5
They do look peaceful and serene possibly with a hint of boredom showing. I'm finding it hard to believe that we both are looking at the same photo! I see two stern women, a bit bored yes, but stern.
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Post by emerald on May 14, 2011 16:44:13 GMT -5
They do look peaceful and serene possibly with a hint of boredom showing. I'm finding it hard to believe that we both are looking at the same photo! I see two stern women, a bit bored yes, but stern. I see concentration! Wonder what most of us look like when we're concentrating?
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Post by fizzy85 on May 14, 2011 16:59:04 GMT -5
They do look peaceful and serene possibly with a hint of boredom showing. I'm finding it hard to believe that we both are looking at the same photo! I see two stern women, a bit bored yes, but stern. If they turned out to be Mennonites, or anabaptists, or amish, or brethren, or any other sort of church that wasn't two by two...would you still say they were stern? I hope so
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Post by emy on May 14, 2011 20:07:34 GMT -5
These women seem quite "stern." Are they 2x2?
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Post by kiwi on May 14, 2011 21:41:46 GMT -5
I'm finding it hard to believe that we both are looking at the same photo! I see two stern women, a bit bored yes, but stern. If they turned out to be Mennonites, or anabaptists, or amish, or brethren, or any other sort of church that wasn't two by two...would you still say they were stern? I hope so People with agendas generally only pick on those who they have a dislike for even if they don't know them.
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Post by kiwi on May 14, 2011 21:44:52 GMT -5
Maybe they from these Amish, Mennonites but also some Baptists, Charismatics and a large group known as the “Conservative Holiness Movement, or maybe not but what is the big deal?
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Post by greatfull2010 on May 15, 2011 0:37:17 GMT -5
I dont see it as a big deal Kiwi. I think there is a common belief among the friends though that pertains to "The Look" and looking like the ladies in this picture is a big deal for the friends who want to be accepted by other friends and workers. "The Look" is like a uniform and just because people wear the uniform doesnt always mean they are happy to wear the uniform. I know many friendlies who are not convicted by the Holy Spirit to dress the way they do or wear their hair the way they do but they feel a huge pressure to conform to a standard imposed by the workers and elders. Its not a big deal to me but its a big deal to a lot of friendlies.
There is a desire by the leadership to have the women in particular look different maybe as a way of exerting power and control or maybe as a form of advertising. We only have to look back at the black stocking era, or the "no splits in skirts " era here in NZ, or the no fringe era or even the no wedding rings for men phase!!
Ok I'll stop now but you know there are plenty more phases where "The Look" has been policed quite heavily by the workers.
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Post by greatfull2010 on May 15, 2011 0:40:57 GMT -5
Maybe the are attending an ex 2x2 counselling session . LOL
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Post by kiwi on May 15, 2011 1:16:20 GMT -5
I dont see it as a big deal Kiwi. I think there is a common belief among the friends though that pertains to "The Look" and looking like the ladies in this picture is a big deal for the friends who want to be accepted by other friends and workers. "The Look" is like a uniform and just because people wear the uniform doesnt always mean they are happy to wear the uniform. I know many friendlies who are not convicted by the Holy Spirit to dress the way they do or wear their hair the way they do but they feel a huge pressure to conform to a standard imposed by the workers and elders. Its not a big deal to me but its a big deal to a lot of friendlies. There is a desire by the leadership to have the women in particular look different maybe as a way of exerting power and control or maybe as a form of advertising. We only have to look back at the black stocking era, or the "no splits in skirts " era here in NZ, or the no fringe era or even the no wedding rings for men phase!! Ok I'll stop now but you know there are plenty more phases where "The Look" has been policed quite heavily by the workers. I think you are talking a load of old wives tales [twaddle].
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Post by quizzer on May 15, 2011 1:45:42 GMT -5
Faith Mission was started by the founder being highly influenced by the Holiness movement. It's not surprising, with the Irvine using Faith Mission's style, that 2x2 women resemble Holiness women. Sort of a parent/child resemblance.
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Post by fred on May 15, 2011 2:16:47 GMT -5
I dont see it as a big deal Kiwi. I think there is a common belief among the friends though that pertains to "The Look" and looking like the ladies in this picture is a big deal for the friends who want to be accepted by other friends and workers. "The Look" is like a uniform and just because people wear the uniform doesnt always mean they are happy to wear the uniform. I know many friendlies who are not convicted by the Holy Spirit to dress the way they do or wear their hair the way they do but they feel a huge pressure to conform to a standard imposed by the workers and elders. Its not a big deal to me but its a big deal to a lot of friendlies. There is a desire by the leadership to have the women in particular look different maybe as a way of exerting power and control or maybe as a form of advertising. We only have to look back at the black stocking era, or the "no splits in skirts " era here in NZ, or the no fringe era or even the no wedding rings for men phase!! Ok I'll stop now but you know there are plenty more phases where "The Look" has been policed quite heavily by the workers. I think you are talking a load of old wives tales [twaddle]. I can't speak for NZ (tho' I have quite a few friends that can, and do) but this is an accurate depiction of the way things have been in Australia. I'm not sure about the power exertion thing, but appearance was certainly pushed as advertising. My kiwi bretheren speak of things in exactly the same way, but then, hey, what would they know.
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Post by Linford Bledsoe on May 15, 2011 7:24:35 GMT -5
two by two would be four
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Post by apple on May 15, 2011 7:31:58 GMT -5
These women seem quite "stern." Are they 2x2? One looks stern but the other, I see sadness in her eyes.
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Post by apple on May 15, 2011 7:39:33 GMT -5
Come on now Kiwi, there is a "look" that the Two by Two women are expected to adhere to.The men get off light.It's the women who have to carry the burden of obeying outward rules on dress and don't bother denying these rules- the hair up in the bun, the long skirts with no splits, the black stockings.Break these rules and get labeled as "having the wrong spirit".
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Post by ru on May 15, 2011 7:40:28 GMT -5
Two x two is four. Two and two is four. So, should there just be four?
Do not judge a book by it's cover.
Appearances or looks can be deceiving.
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Post by apple on May 15, 2011 7:46:13 GMT -5
Faith Mission was started by the founder being highly influenced by the Holiness movement. It's not surprising, with the Irvine using Faith Mission's style, that 2x2 women resemble Holiness women. Sort of a parent/child resemblance. It's the first time I have ever heard that.I'm curious as how you came to that conclusion, and if there were/are Holiness folks in Ireland?
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Post by Linford Bledsoe on May 15, 2011 8:01:03 GMT -5
These mostly were Wesleyan in thought and doctrine. Including many of the Holiness groups.
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Post by ru on May 15, 2011 8:07:28 GMT -5
Faith Mission was started by the founder being highly influenced by the Holiness movement. It's not surprising, with the Irvine using Faith Mission's style, that 2x2 women resemble Holiness women. Sort of a parent/child resemblance. It's the first time I have ever heard that.I'm curious as how you came to that conclusion, and if there were/are Holiness folks in Ireland? A Google search of Faith Mission founder John Govan yields a few websites that include the Faith Mission under the "Holiness" category(?).
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Post by lauri on May 15, 2011 8:20:06 GMT -5
Maybe the are attending an ex 2x2 counselling session . LOL funny!!!
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Post by IllinoisGal on May 15, 2011 8:22:14 GMT -5
2x2s dont have the market cornered on teaching things concerning distinction in dress. This is part of an article. It doesnt say who wrote it .It is taken right off my churches official website. I can even post pics of our ladies at convention if you like.
Distinction Between Male and Female
Moreover, the Scriptures teach a great difference between femininity and masculinity as to dress. "The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the Lord thy God" (Deuteronomy 22:5).
The desire to emulate men in dress has seriously affected the fine and noble characteristics of womanhood. Often it takes a second glance to determine the sex of a woman today, due to the distorted and strange garb she wears and the close proximity of her attire to that of a man. The Scriptures call this practice an abomination unto God, or something God hates.
Perhaps some will say this standard has changed due to the inception of the age of grace introduced by Jesus Christ. But this verse deals with moral law and with the nature of God, which never change, not with a ceremonial ritual fulfilled by Christ. Moreover, when the Apostle Peter wished to instruct Christian women about proper conduct, he used Sarah, the wife of Abraham, as his example (I Peter 3:5). Thus, we are not out of order in this instance to use a verse of Scripture from the law. We rightfully go back over the years and learn a spiritual lesson that sharply rebukes the customs and practices of our day.
Scriptural Guidelines Summarized
Holy women of old concentrated on adorning their spiritual life by developing the character of the heart. This is the major concentration and beautification of the Christian woman. Thus, the Apostle Peter used the great dedication of women of another age to impress the women of the first century with the need for the ornament or adornment of a meek and quiet spirit.
By the same token, we are within reasonable and scriptural rights to insist that Christian women today heed the influential, sensible, and divinely inspired advice of the apostles.
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